IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-14
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- +John_Slatin
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- zakim, ??P6 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- +??P7
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- +Alex_Li
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- +JasonWhite
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- +Matt
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- zakim, ??P7 is Takayuki_Watanabe
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- +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
- 20:04:04 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute me
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:04:14 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Michael_Cooper, Avi, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Takayuki_Watanabe, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt
- 20:04:18 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, who is here?
- 20:04:18 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Michael_Cooper, Avi, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Takayuki_Watanabe, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt
- 20:04:21 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, gregg, nabe, rcastaldo, bcaldwell, Zakim, bengt, Yvette_Hoitink, Michael, sh1mmer
- 20:04:44 [nabe]
- zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe
- 20:04:44 [Zakim]
- ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, Microsoft is Mike_Barta
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- +Mike_Barta; got it
- 20:05:26 [David_MacDonald]
- David will scribe
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- summary of techniques
- 20:06:20 [nabe]
- zakim, mute me
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- Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted
- 20:06:59 [David_MacDonald]
- testin is big issue working through it only have tests for HTML, reasos for testing 1) quality assurance 2)
- 20:07:40 [David_MacDonald]
- lots of work on techniques..how they relate to test files , lots of holes in mapping techiques with no SC, & ice versa
- 20:08:17 [bcaldwell]
- latest mapping document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/8-sc-techniques-mapping.html
- 20:08:34 [David_MacDonald]
- sometimes echniue nis at a different level of conformance than we feel necessary...don't know what to do about it but will figure it out...don't want to make eople conform at levels they don['t eed to.
- 20:08:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- some techniques qre not supported by user agents brings us to old future techniques etc
- 20:09:21 [David_MacDonald]
- looking to checklists to solve someor allthese problems
- 20:09:40 [David_MacDonald]
- lots of questionsfor face 2 f about
- 20:10:53 [David_MacDonald]
- another question about do you put techniques that should work but are not supported
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- +??P11
- 20:11:06 [rcastaldo]
- I won't be there :-(
- 20:11:19 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- roberto, too bad
- 20:11:20 [bcaldwell]
- agenda+ F2F
- 20:11:23 [David_MacDonald]
- John slati and david macdonald will be on phone meeting dialing to face 2 face
- 20:11:24 [bcaldwell]
- next agendum
- 20:11:28 [bengt]
- bengt too
- 20:11:39 [rcastaldo]
- IWA is a very "poor" association :-)
- 20:11:45 [David_MacDonald]
- Chris & Jenae & maybe jason
- 20:11:52 [bcaldwell]
- agenda+ Propsal: Issue 381 - John's cleanup of 3.1 example
- 20:11:55 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P11 is Bengt_Farre
- 20:11:55 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 20:12:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:12:01 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink was already muted, Yvette_Hoitink
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 20:12:08 [bcaldwell]
- agenda+ Open issues
- 20:13:01 [David_MacDonald]
- total dial i for F2F: Bengt, David MacDOnald, John SLatin, Jenae, Chris
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- & Jason
- 20:14:16 [David_MacDonald]
- times willon GL homepage w3.org/wai/gl
- 20:14:38 [bcaldwell]
- agenda+ Discussion of public comments submitted by JIS (25 min.)
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- agenda?
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- next agendum
- 20:15:17 [bcaldwell]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=381
- 20:15:23 [David_MacDonald]
- proposal, a#381 john's cleanup of 3.1 example
- 20:15:29 [gregg]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0084.html
- 20:17:13 [David_MacDonald]
- JS: one example response to things that participant from JIS and discussion, & harvy bingham about abstract & concrete things - volcao erupting. complex vs. concrete. an attempt to retain example with links
- 20:17:43 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:17:46 [David_MacDonald]
- ohter examles in plain language rewrite
- 20:18:29 [MattSEA]
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- 20:21:18 [David_MacDonald]
- recommendation replaces label for a concrete concept, now an example of a complex concept enhance by different media, nontext to make it easy to understand
- 20:23:10 [David_MacDonald]
- JS will resubmit cause multi media wet to a different page. which doesn't make sense as a way to make originalo page accessible so JS will modify that the multi media is on the same page.
- 20:23:42 [David_MacDonald]
- the word "wet" above is "went"
- 20:25:48 [David_MacDonald]
- GV suggests that the example removes the word site and leave its location ambiguous
- 20:26:03 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
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- 20:26:36 [bcaldwell]
- To clarify this explanation, there is also a link to an accessible video and 3D simulation of what happened underneath the crust and within the volcano during the eruption.
- 20:27:44 [David_MacDonald]
- Unanimous agreement that everyone wants to do the above
- 20:28:15 [David_MacDonald]
- Suggest we kill current ex 3 in guidline about school child report
- 20:28:29 [David_MacDonald]
- proposed by js
- 20:30:01 [David_MacDonald]
- unanimous concent to delete the above child report of school trip
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- open issues
- 20:30:26 [nabe]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Takayuki_Watanabe should no longer be muted
- 20:30:54 [David_MacDonald]
- 3 more JIS people will join in 30 minutes
- 20:30:54 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:30:59 [bcaldwell]
- next agendum
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- -=-----------------------------------------------
- 20:31:21 [David_MacDonald]
- new issue
- 20:31:47 [David_MacDonald]
- ideas for proscessing open issues. we have 585 open issues
- 20:32:20 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
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- 20:32:23 [David_MacDonald]
- one at a time will take several presidential elections :-)
- 20:34:08 [David_MacDonald]
- GV suggests everybody look at guidlines and pick your favorite one. and walk the guidlene and all the points that go with it. find open ones and mke proposals, sentence
- 20:34:22 [David_MacDonald]
- JS takes 3.1
- 20:34:34 [David_MacDonald]
- DM takes 1.4 & 1.5
- 20:34:44 [David_MacDonald]
- fYvette takes 2.4
- 20:35:21 [rcastaldo]
- I'd like 1.3
- 20:35:26 [David_MacDonald]
- WC 1.1
- 20:35:36 [David_MacDonald]
- WC 1.2
- 20:36:05 [David_MacDonald]
- Mike marta Microsoft 2.1
- 20:36:33 [bcaldwell]
- action: john issue summary for 3.1
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- action: david issue summary for 1.4
- 20:37:01 [David_MacDonald]
- Yvette takes 1.3
- 20:37:14 [bcaldwell]
- action: yvette issue summary for 2.4
- 20:37:23 [bcaldwell]
- action: mike issue summary for 2.1
- 20:37:49 [bcaldwell]
- action: roberto castaldo issue summary for 2.2
- 20:38:07 [bcaldwell]
- action: yvette issue summary for 1.3
- 20:38:14 [bcaldwell]
- action: gregg issue summary for 2.3
- 20:40:51 [bcaldwell]
- action: ben issue summary for 4.1
- 20:43:21 [David_MacDonald]
- current draft in link generates bugzilla search after the normitive (blue ) section of each guidline auto to page with all issues. links at top show only normative, all informatives. not necessary to do bugzilla search
- 20:44:07 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- 20:44:23 [David_MacDonald]
- GV asks if anyone wants to take bugs that are orphans not associated with document guidlines
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- zakim, unmute me
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- q+
- 20:45:04 [David_MacDonald]
- GV ask Ben to make a link in the GUidlines to non specific bugs
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- 20:45:56 [David_MacDonald]
- GV says read all y0our issues and if anything big shows up send an email to the list.
- 20:45:57 [bcaldwell]
- action: everyone - send Gregg and email on issues you encounter that are major problems
- 20:46:07 [Zakim]
- +??P12
- 20:46:42 [David_MacDonald]
- timelines for issue summaries - big issues to list before next week, by wed
- 20:46:57 [David_MacDonald]
- issue summaries in the next week or two
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- zakim, mute me
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- zakim, unmute me
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- zakim, ??P12 may be masahiro
- 20:47:53 [Zakim]
- +masahiro?; got it
- 20:47:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute ??P12
- 20:47:58 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named '??P12'
- 20:48:05 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute masahiro?
- 20:48:05 [Zakim]
- masahiro? should now be muted
- 20:48:19 [masahiro]
- I'm sorry my IP phone's mic seems something wrong.
- 20:48:42 [David_MacDonald]
- unmute press 60#
- 20:48:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- masahiro, just say "zakim, unmute me" if you want to say something
- 20:49:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, masahiro? is masahiro
- 20:49:01 [Zakim]
- +masahiro; got it
- 20:49:10 [gregg]
- type "zakim, unmute me"
- 20:49:33 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gregg, yes: _saying_ it to the computer won't help :-)
- 20:49:51 [masahiro]
- However I can hear your discussion.
- 20:50:13 [David_MacDonald]
- Doyle says If you don't declare a doctype and manually review cod can you still pass 4.1
- 20:50:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- masahiro, that's the idea. You can follow the discussion but your microphone is switched off so you don't produce noise
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute me
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- 20:52:41 [David_MacDonald]
- GV does anyone believe that testing means automatic only....tgroup says no,
- 20:52:52 [masahiro]
- zakim, unmute me.
- 20:52:52 [Zakim]
- sorry, masahiro, I do not see a party named 'me.'
- 20:53:08 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q-
- 20:53:10 [David_MacDonald]
- Uanimous consent that we tdo not requrire automatic check
- 20:53:14 [bcaldwell]
- ack Yvette
- 20:53:18 [bcaldwell]
- ack John
- 20:53:41 [David_MacDonald]
- JS we don't want to require auto validation but we allow it, GV says yes
- 20:54:04 [masahiro]
- Zakim ,mute me
- 20:54:48 [David_MacDonald]
- GV do we want to require that people declare what spec they are using, YH say no , GV says NO
- 20:55:04 [David_MacDonald]
- GV says people won't know what they are using
- 20:56:39 [David_MacDonald]
- GV If the spec does not requre that you name its versio then our guideline doesn't either
- 20:57:47 [David_MacDonald]
- Mat May, all HML and XML require doctype statement.
- 20:58:32 [David_MacDonald]
- MAT ; if no doctype declare these technologies go into quirk mode which is a big problem today
- 20:58:46 [David_MacDonald]
- Unanimous consent that we do not require a declaration...
- 20:59:09 [Michael]
- q+
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- q-
- 20:59:20 [bcaldwell]
- next agendum
- 20:59:21 [David_MacDonald]
- because the technologies that require declarations already do
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- __________________________________________________
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- new topic
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- JIS
- 20:59:52 [nabe]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1144
- 21:02:23 [nabe]
- Guideline 2.4 L2 SC 1: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1147
- 21:02:27 [David_MacDonald]
- We will focus o issues guideline 2.4, a sentence in Japaese and other languages does not have words
- 21:02:57 [David_MacDonald]
- GV: what is a symbol in (conji?) Japanese
- 21:03:15 [nabe]
- I am sorry "do not contain words" is not an appropriate expression.
- 21:03:16 [nabe]
- Japanese sentence does contain words but we use another unit to count
- 21:03:17 [nabe]
- length.
- 21:03:38 [David_MacDonald]
- describes the length of a sentence by the number of characters not words
- 21:03:59 [David_MacDonald]
- when they describe length of document they use the umber f characters
- 21:04:35 [Michael]
- sp confi/kanji
- 21:04:37 [David_MacDonald]
- the number of characters changes in different japanese languages
- 21:04:48 [David_MacDonald]
- thx mike you rock
- 21:05:21 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+
- 21:06:40 [David_MacDonald]
- japaese braille requires spaces betwe words. insert spaces between spaces to write oute braille therefore doesn't the concpts of words work?
- 21:08:24 [David_MacDonald]
- do some words require mulitple kanji characters
- 21:08:34 [David_MacDonald]
- yews
- 21:08:35 [David_MacDonald]
- yes
- 21:09:14 [David_MacDonald]
- Tak: 50,000 words hard to translate
- 21:10:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q-
- 21:11:06 [David_MacDonald]
- GV : the # of words are temporary ideas to explore the concept eg. a long document should have chapters but not a short one. Do you have ay suggestions? Takayuki
- 21:12:20 [nabe]
- For example, "This is a book." is "Korehahondesu." in Japanese.
- 21:12:21 [nabe]
- (I use Roman-characters expression instead of writing Japanese with
- 21:12:22 [nabe]
- Japanese characters.)
- 21:12:34 [nabe]
- "kore" "ha" "hon" "desu" is similar units as English words.
- 21:12:35 [nabe]
- "kore" corresponds "This", "hon" corresponds "a book", and both "ha"
- 21:12:36 [nabe]
- and "desu" corresponds to "is".
- 21:12:36 [David_MacDonald]
- GV what does a word mean? can we work with the conept of words...
- 21:12:37 [nabe]
- We, however, do not think this way but we think this sentence
- 21:12:38 [nabe]
- consisting of "kore-ha" and "hon-desu". "kore-ha" and "hon-desu" is
- 21:12:39 [nabe]
- Bunsetu, which acts like a phrase.
- 21:13:34 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "number of sentences as threshold"
- 21:14:00 [David_MacDonald]
- GV says OK we have to find another solution...we understand the problem and will work on it.
- 21:16:12 [David_MacDonald]
- GV does every language have sentences? NABE says no, but mike says can't go there, cause a book can be a paragraph
- 21:16:22 [David_MacDonald]
- in some slavic languages
- 21:16:43 [bcaldwell]
- ack Jason
- 21:16:46 [David_MacDonald]
- GV we'll come back to it
- 21:16:46 [gregg]
- ack jason
- 21:16:49 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q-
- 21:16:49 [gregg]
- ack john
- 21:18:20 [David_MacDonald]
- JS What is "long" in Japanese, Tak : we use # of Characters.
- 21:18:44 [nabe]
- Correction: GV does every language have sentences? NABE DOES NOT say no,
- 21:18:54 [David_MacDonald]
- 50000 words in English, = ### characters in Japanese
- 21:19:13 [David_MacDonald]
- GV asks is there a spellcheker in Japanese
- 21:19:36 [David_MacDonald]
- alex says not in chenese Tak say not in Japanese either
- 21:19:41 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "no spelling errors either?"
- 21:20:59 [David_MacDonald]
- When text entry is required the text is checked and correct choices are suggested. get away from word "spell"
- 21:24:52 [David_MacDonald]
- Thx NABE for the correction
- 21:25:23 [nabe]
- your welcome. :-)
- 21:25:33 [bcaldwell]
- ack Yvette
- 21:25:33 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "no spelling errors either?"
- 21:27:09 [David_MacDonald]
- finite and known vs the concept of rules and known
- 21:28:22 [gregg]
- q+
- 21:28:29 [gregg]
- ack john
- 21:28:33 [David_MacDonald]
- Guidline 3.1 level 3 the list is oriented to english, JIS suggests it not be normative
- 21:28:43 [bcaldwell]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1149
- 21:30:01 [David_MacDonald]
- GV: this guiline is very long and is also causing language barrier problems.
- 21:30:09 [Zakim]
- -Takayuki_Watanabe
- 21:30:48 [nabe]
- sorry I used up my Skype Credit. I cannot purchace another credit now.
- 21:31:46 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+
- 21:31:47 [MattSEA]
- q+
- 21:31:48 [David_MacDonald]
- GV suggests rephrase the guidline as its objectives and let the technical documents taje care of the language specific details
- 21:31:50 [bcaldwell]
- ack gregg
- 21:32:23 [bcaldwell]
- ack Yvette
- 21:32:30 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 21:32:36 [David_MacDonald]
- Takayuki is off the p0hone but on irc right
- 21:33:59 [bcaldwell]
- ack Matt
- 21:34:38 [David_MacDonald]
- Matt: proposes complexity of didferent languages we should say "you should adopt a styleguide"
- 21:34:52 [David_MacDonald]
- GV get it out of guidlines
- 21:34:53 [bcaldwell]
- ack Jason
- 21:35:00 [David_MacDonald]
- address it elsewhere
- 21:35:04 [David_MacDonald]
- Jason agrees
- 21:35:41 [David_MacDonald]
- JW the grammer of indiginous languages will not work in current approach
- 21:36:03 [David_MacDonald]
- we need flexibility such as Matt's suggestion
- 21:36:18 [David_MacDonald]
- ---------------------------------------
- 21:36:23 [nabe]
- Sorry I'm in trouble to make an international call by another IP phone.
- 21:37:12 [David_MacDonald]
- We are glad you are still with us in IRC Tak :-)
- 21:37:54 [rcastaldo]
- agree
- 21:38:05 [David_MacDonald]
- GV is there a general consensus to go ahead and find wording in main guidlenes that would move the specific language approach used currently
- 21:38:21 [nabe]
- But it is almost impossible to follow the discussion. :-)
- 21:38:25 [David_MacDonald]
- yes general consensous to re-write
- 21:38:46 [David_MacDonald]
- action: JS will take this on
- 21:39:44 [David_MacDonald]
- action: JS will reword 3.1 level 3 to make it less english specific. (remove action 10 replace it with this)
- 21:41:16 [bcaldwell]
- ack Jason
- 21:41:48 [David_MacDonald]
- JW: we shouold not set a baseline but a general criteria for setting baselines
- 21:42:22 [bcaldwell]
- ack John
- 21:42:44 [David_MacDonald]
- JW: changing wording for easy translations, cause other languages could have trouble with it so let translators do the job properlly
- 21:43:21 [David_MacDonald]
- JS says wendy will put documet in front of european translators looking for problems as the Japanese have done
- 21:44:28 [David_MacDonald]
- GV perhaps we need a better glossary, we need to watch for jargon and idium, avoid idum completely, sometimes need jargon. we wll walk them one at a time
- 21:45:05 [David_MacDonald]
- ALex : no need for baseline if we follow standards.
- 21:45:41 [David_MacDonald]
- GV: can't assume that every browser can handle every technology
- 21:46:35 [David_MacDonald]
- alex: follow open standards. GV says: are you saying can't use non-open standards such as "flash"
- 21:47:02 [David_MacDonald]
- Thank you JIS for early wake up
- 21:47:31 [David_MacDonald]
- look forward to JIS joining us in Doublin
- 21:47:38 [rcastaldo]
- Have a good meeting
- 21:47:43 [Zakim]
- -Avi
- 21:47:44 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Barta
- 21:47:46 [rcastaldo]
- Hi folks
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- -Bengt_Farre
- 21:47:50 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 21:47:51 [Zakim]
- -JasonWhite
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- -Matt
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -David_MacDonald
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- rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
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- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 21:47:57 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:47:57 [nabe]
- I and Makoto Ueki will join f2f in Dublin
- 21:48:03 [Zakim]
- -Makoto_Ueki
- 21:48:19 [nabe]
- Thank you everyone for discussing JIS comments
- 21:48:47 [David_MacDonald]
- I will not be in doublin but will wish you guys the best and talk on the phoe
- 21:48:50 [Zakim]
- -masahiro
- 21:48:51 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Makoto_Ueki, Michael_Cooper, Avi, John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt, Takayuki_Watanabe,
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- ... [Microsoft], Mike_Barta, Bengt_Farre, masahiro
- 21:49:28 [masahiro]
- Thanks for inviting me.
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- 21:53:31 [bcaldwell]
- rrsagent, bye
- 21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- I see 11 open action items:
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- ACTION: john issue summary for 3.1 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-33
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- ACTION: david issue summary for 1.4 [2]
- 21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-56
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- ACTION: yvette issue summary for 2.4 [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-14
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- ACTION: mike issue summary for 2.1 [4]
- 21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-23
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- ACTION: roberto castaldo issue summary for 2.2 [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-49
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- ACTION: yvette issue summary for 1.3 [6]
- 21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-07
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- ACTION: gregg issue summary for 2.3 [7]
- 21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-14
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- ACTION: ben issue summary for 4.1 [8]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-40-51
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- ACTION: everyone - send Gregg and email on issues you encounter that are major problems [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-57
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- ACTION: JS will take this on [10]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T21-38-46
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- ACTION: JS will reword 3.1 level 3 to make it less english specific. (remove action 10 replace it with this) [11]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T21-39-44