IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-08-04

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14:03:06 [Michael]

rrsagent, make logs world

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14:03:53 [Zakim]

+Alex_Lee

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+Paul_Bohman

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+??P3

14:04:44 [Michael]

zakim, ??P3 is Takayuki_Watanabe

14:04:44 [Zakim]

+Takayuki_Watanabe; got it

14:04:58 [Michael]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see [Microsoft], Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe

14:05:11 [Michael]

zakim, [Microsoft] is temporarily Jenae_Andershonis

14:05:11 [Zakim]

+Jenae_Andershonis; got it

14:05:22 [nabe]

zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe

14:05:22 [Zakim]

ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe

14:05:44 [Zakim]

+Sailesh_Panchang

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+??P20

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+Wendy

14:07:38 [Michael]

zakim, ??P20 is Ben Caldwell

14:07:38 [Zakim]

I don't understand '??P20 is Ben Caldwell', Michael

14:07:46 [Michael]

zakim, ??P20 is Ben_Caldwell

14:07:46 [Zakim]

+Ben_Caldwell; got it

14:10:15 [Michael]

Topic: Test Files

14:10:42 [ChrisR]

Jenae's example of test file: http://chris.atrc.utoronto.ca/H_1_1_001.htm

14:11:05 [ChrisR]

UAAG test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/

14:11:24 [ChrisR]

WCAG proposed test suite: http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/WCAG2_0_Tests1.html

14:12:59 [Michael]

1) Design XML format for test case metadata

14:13:21 [Michael]

2) Review existing test cases

14:13:47 [Michael]

3) Create a format for display of the test cases

14:14:15 [Michael]

4) Break out guidelines and assign people to adapt/create test cases for each guidelines

14:15:37 [wendy]

re: 1 xml format

14:16:38 [Michael]

need to coordinate XML format with Colin and Matt

14:17:17 [wendy]

chris has a format, uaag has one, other w3c groups

14:19:10 [Michael]

action: Chris work on proposed XML format for test cases

14:20:42 [Michael]

action: Chris coordinate discussion of test cases with other groups, involving John Gunderson (UA), Tim Boland (AU), Colin Kotoles (UA), Matt May (UA and AU), Jenae Andershonis (WCAG)

14:23:12 [Michael]

action: Michael, Don coordinate with Chris on test file schema

14:23:57 [Michael]

action: Jenae coordinate with QA WG about our test files work

14:26:31 [Michael]

re: 2 review test cases

14:28:00 [Michael]

action: Tim send thoughts about what to look for in reviewing test cases

14:28:20 [Michael]

review test cases in next week's call

14:29:00 [Michael]

re: 3 format for test cases

14:29:11 [Michael]

Some work has started

14:29:19 [Michael]

May become clear as we review existing cases

14:31:54 [Michael]

Also discuss this in next week's call

14:32:22 [Michael]

re: 4 obtain test cases

14:32:33 [Michael]

Can use techniques as a guide

14:33:05 [Michael]

Some work has already gone into this

14:33:51 [Michael]

As we review test cases, can also collect

14:34:06 [Michael]

Need to make sure to add all extra metadata

14:34:11 [nabe]

zakim, mute me

14:34:12 [Zakim]

Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted

14:34:16 [Michael]

Someone needs to take responsibility for that

14:37:26 [Michael]

Need to be careful of IPR

14:37:51 [Michael]

"Editor" can manage process, take care of IPR claims of submitted test cases, vet test cases, etc.

14:40:02 [Michael]

Who the editor is may depend on results of coordination with other groups

14:40:18 [Michael]

i.e., they may have a process in place that's working well

14:43:40 [Michael]

Need to extend end-to-end mappings to map examples in

14:44:05 [Michael]

Also need to look at language specifications and make sure we're not missing techniques for elements with accessibility implications

14:45:12 [wendy]

zakim, who's on the call?

14:45:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Jenae_Andershonis, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe (muted), Sailesh_Panchang,

14:45:15 [Zakim]

... Ben_Caldwell, Wendy

14:47:20 [Michael]

Would be useful to have the people who did end-to-end analyses extend the ones they did, since they're familiar

14:47:59 [Michael]

action: Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3

14:48:27 [Michael]

action: Jenae send outline of process to people working on test case mappings

14:51:43 [Michael]

action: Wendy take 1.2

14:51:50 [Michael]

action Jenae take 1.1, 1.3

14:52:37 [Michael]

action: Paul take 1.4

14:53:13 [Michael]

action: Sailesh 2.4

14:53:35 [Michael]

action 10 = Sailesh coordinate with David on 2.4

14:54:55 [Michael]

action 6 = Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3.1

14:55:08 [Michael]

action: Tim take Guideline 3.2

15:03:07 [Michael]

action: Jenae check in with David on test case mapping

15:05:30 [Michael]

Topic: End to End review

15:05:34 [wendy]

brb

15:11:25 [Michael]

Review 3.1

15:11:25 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

15:11:39 [Michael]

Language mapped twice

15:11:44 [Michael]

Emoticons mapped twice

15:11:53 [Michael]

Issue with "don't do" techniques

15:13:42 [wendy]

http://eramp.com/david/end_to_end/end2endGL3_1.html

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action: Becky send issues from mapping process to list

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-Don_Evans

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-Becky_Gibson

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-Sailesh_Panchang

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-Alex_Lee

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Chris_Ridpath

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-Ben_Caldwell

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-Paul_Bohman

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-Wendy

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-Jenae_Andershonis

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-Takayuki_Watanabe

15:39:37 [Zakim]

WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

15:39:39 [Zakim]

Attendees were Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Lee, Paul_Bohman, Takayuki_Watanabe, Jenae_Andershonis, Sailesh_Panchang, Wendy,

15:39:42 [Zakim]

... Ben_Caldwell

15:39:45 [nabe]

good bye.

15:39:50 [wendy]

divide time the next few weeks between end-to-ends (raising issues) and closing existing issues (from bugzilla, many of which are linked to from within the current draft)

15:43:34 [Michael]

rrsagent, bye

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

I see 13 open action items:

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ACTION: Chris work on proposed XML format for test cases [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-19-10

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ACTION: Chris coordinate discussion of test cases with other groups, involving John Gunderson (UA), Tim Boland (AU), Colin Kotoles (UA), Matt May (UA and AU), Jenae Andershonis (WCAG) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-20-42

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ACTION: Michael, Don coordinate with Chris on test file schema [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-23-12

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ACTION: Jenae coordinate with QA WG about our test files work [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-23-57

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ACTION: Tim send thoughts about what to look for in reviewing test cases [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-28-00

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ACTION: Becky find out what test cases exist for Guideline 3.1 [6]

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-47-59

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ACTION: Jenae send outline of process to people working on test case mappings [7]

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-48-27

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Wendy take 1.2 [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-51-43

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ACTION: Paul take 1.4 [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-52-37

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ACTION: Sailesh coordinate with David on 2.4 [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-53-13

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ACTION: Tim take Guideline 3.2 [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T14-55-08

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ACTION: Jenae check in with David on test case mapping [12]

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T15-03-07

15:43:34 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Becky send issues from mapping process to list [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/08/04-wai-wcag-irc#T15-20-48