IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-07-29
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- 19:55:07 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:55:16 [rscano_ppc]
- ppc = pocket pc :-)
- 19:55:26 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Ciao Roberto_ppc :-)
- 19:55:50 [sh1mmer]
- Ciao Robertos
- 19:55:51 [rscano_ppc]
- ciao dutch woman :-)
- 19:55:54 [rellero]
- :-)
- 19:55:58 [sh1mmer]
- Hello Yvette
- 19:55:59 [sh1mmer]
- :)
- 19:56:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- :-)
- 19:56:11 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 19:56:11 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
- 19:56:25 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- 4 minutes? My clock is off then
- 19:56:28 [rscano_ppc]
- sorry for only irc
- 19:56:28 [rscano_ppc]
- no phone here
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- jslatin has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:56:45 [MichaelC]
- Hi all.
- 19:56:51 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Hi John
- 19:57:01 [rscano_ppc]
- hi michsel
- 19:57:06 [rscano_ppc]
- hi john
- 19:57:34 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
- 19:57:41 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 19:57:54 [bcaldwell]
- bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:58:20 [jslatin]
- hi everyone! i'm on the call too, first one there...
- 19:58:34 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 19:58:54 [Zakim]
- +ChrisR|Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:16 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, ChrisR|Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:16 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'ChrisR|Yvette_Hoitink', Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:30 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 19:59:37 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:37 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named 'Yvette_Hoitink'
- 19:59:41 [bengt]
- azakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
- 19:59:49 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 19:59:49 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named 'Yvette_Hoitink'
- 19:59:58 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
- 19:59:58 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 20:00:04 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 20:00:14 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, ChrisR is Yvette
- 20:00:14 [bengt]
- zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
- 20:00:14 [Zakim]
- +Yvette; got it
- 20:00:15 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
- 20:00:20 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:00:20 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named 'Yvette_Hoitink'
- 20:00:25 [nabe]
- nabe has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:00:25 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, I am Yvette
- 20:00:25 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette_Hoitink, I now associate you with Yvette
- 20:00:26 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, mute Yvette
- 20:00:26 [Zakim]
- Yvette should now be muted
- 20:00:37 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- brilliant :-)
- 20:00:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:00:42 [Zakim]
- Yvette should no longer be muted
- 20:00:54 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper
- 20:01:19 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 20:01:32 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 20:01:42 [nabe]
- zakim, ??P7 is Takayuki_Watanabe
- 20:01:42 [Zakim]
- +Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
- 20:01:50 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 20:01:58 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.492.aaaa
- 20:02:04 [Zakim]
- + +1.608.263.aabb
- 20:02:21 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.608.263.aabb is Ben_and_Gregg
- 20:02:21 [Zakim]
- +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
- 20:02:25 [Andi]
- Andi has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:02:27 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, ??P1 is Tom
- 20:02:27 [Zakim]
- +Tom; got it
- 20:02:32 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, I am Tom
- 20:02:32 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
- 20:02:51 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.202.492.aaaa is Alex_Li
- 20:02:51 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li; got it
- 20:03:05 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:03:05 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Slatin, Tom, Yvette, Bengt_Farre, ??P4, Michael_Cooper, Takayuki_Watanabe, [IBM], Wendy, Alex_Li, Ben_and_Gregg
- 20:03:13 [Zakim]
- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:03:15 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, Yvette is Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:03:15 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 20:03:27 [nabe]
- zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe
- 20:03:27 [Zakim]
- ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe
- 20:03:45 [Zakim]
- +??P11
- 20:03:57 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P11 Doyle_Burnett
- 20:03:57 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P11 Doyle_Burnett', wendy
- 20:04:02 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P11 is Doyle_Burnett
- 20:04:02 [Zakim]
- +Doyle_Burnett; got it
- 20:04:03 [Zakim]
- +Sailesh_Panchang
- 20:04:04 [rellero]
- I do not have credit in dialpad today, I agree with the publication of the
- 20:04:05 [rellero]
- documents to TR
- 20:04:15 [Zakim]
- +Becky_Gibson
- 20:04:23 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- rellero: I will make sure to say that on the phone too
- 20:04:27 [wendy]
- zakim, [IBM] is Andi
- 20:04:27 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 20:04:30 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:04:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Slatin, Tom, Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, ??P4, Michael_Cooper, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi, Wendy, Alex_Li, Ben_and_Gregg, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Doyle_Burnett,
- 20:04:33 [Zakim]
- ... Sailesh_Panchang, Becky_Gibson
- 20:04:39 [Becky]
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- 20:04:41 [rellero]
- thanks Yvette
- 20:04:53 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P4 is David_MacDonald
- 20:04:53 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 20:05:03 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 20:05:15 [wendy]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is Mike_Barta
- 20:05:16 [Zakim]
- +Mike_Barta; got it
- 20:05:17 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:05:20 [sh1mmer]
- i just muted
- 20:05:23 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:05:24 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Slatin, Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper, Takayuki_Watanabe, Andi, Wendy, Alex_Li, Ben_and_Gregg,
- 20:05:26 [Zakim]
- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Doyle_Burnett, Sailesh_Panchang, Becky_Gibson, Mike_Barta
- 20:05:28 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
- 20:05:31 [scano_ppc]
- scano_ppc has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:05:33 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Loretta
- 20:05:33 [Zakim]
- Loretta_Guarino_Reid should now be muted
- 20:06:03 [MichaelC]
- brb
- 20:06:10 [scano_ppc]
- (cat jumped on pocketpc :-) )
- 20:07:08 [DoyleB]
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- 20:07:48 [wendy]
- Meeting: WCAG WG
- 20:08:08 [gregg]
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- 20:08:17 [wendy]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0249.html
- 20:08:22 [wendy]
- Chair: Gregg Vanderheiden
- 20:08:50 [wendy]
- Scribe: Wendy Chisholm
- 20:09:25 [wendy]
- Topic: publication date
- 20:09:54 [wendy]
- gv we have 4 documents to go through
- 20:10:55 [wendy]
- order for discussion: html, css, wcag 2.0, gateway
- 20:11:21 [wendy]
- aiming for tomorrow
- 20:11:39 [wendy]
- if not, wac has secured webmaster resources for next wednesday
- 20:11:46 [wendy]
- Topic: wcag 2.0
- 20:12:50 [wendy]
- wac: defn authored unit, 4.1, 4.2
- 20:13:32 [wendy]
- bc currently have the diwg defn. in the document
- 20:14:03 [wendy]
- gv defn in our doc should be from diwg. if we think need to new term should work with diwg.
- 20:15:11 [wendy]
- action: gv and bc write ednote for defn of 'autored unit'
- 20:15:16 [David_MacDonald]
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- 20:15:55 [wendy]
- 4.1 and 4.2 - not a showstopper. wasn't intedned to change the draft.
- 20:16:12 [wendy]
- asw no problem publishing the draft. however, need to wrestle 4.1 and 4.2 asap
- 20:16:22 [wendy]
- gv don't think there was resolution on the discussion.
- 20:16:46 [wendy]
- need to do anything to 4.1 or 4.2 for this draft?
- 20:17:03 [wendy]
- nope
- 20:17:08 [wendy]
- anything else for wcag 2.0?
- 20:17:43 [wendy]
- resolution: group agrees to publish wcag 2.0 as is
- 20:17:47 [wendy]
- Topic: HTML Techniques
- 20:18:17 [wendy]
- summary of issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0256.html
- 20:18:38 [wendy]
- response to john: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0268.html
- 20:19:15 [wendy]
- I - Example for doctype includes meta refresh
- 20:19:43 [wendy]
- no objection to update example
- 20:19:48 [wendy]
- II - Graphics used as form labels
- 20:20:10 [wendy]
- log in bugzila, deal with after publication
- 20:20:51 [wendy]
- there was no specific technique, based on lack of
- 20:21:14 [wendy]
- use strategy used in css where create placeholder and link to bugzilla?
- 20:21:15 [wendy]
- perhaps
- 20:21:24 [wendy]
- yh think tech ok, just need another example
- 20:22:07 [wendy]
- js is it a tech we want to recommend?
- 20:23:06 [wendy]
- action: michael add bugzilla issue for Graphics used as form labels
- 20:23:16 [wendy]
- resolution: no change to draft, michael create bugzilla issue
- 20:23:24 [wendy]
- III - Grouping radio buttons and checkboxes
- 20:23:42 [wendy]
- mc. an oversight. did not intend to exclude. have placeholder text. need to expand later.
- 20:24:01 [wendy]
- resolution: placeholder, expand on later.
- 20:24:13 [wendy]
- action: john slatin write technique for Grouping radio buttons and checkboxes
- 20:24:20 [wendy]
- IV - User agent support for optgroup
- 20:24:26 [wendy]
- proposal: ednote
- 20:24:34 [wendy]
- future: when have UA support info, address then
- 20:25:34 [wendy]
- gv good to put a note. more comments on the list, people appear to be converging.
- 20:26:07 [wendy]
- mc current wording: (reads)
- 20:26:11 [wendy]
- gv is it known to create problems?
- 20:26:14 [wendy]
- bc yes. tested it yesterday.
- 20:26:28 [wendy]
- yh sure?
- 20:26:34 [wendy]
- bc yes. tested it. even w/alt
- 20:26:40 [wendy]
- down arrorw
- 20:26:59 [wendy]
- gv if there is still debate, use "may cause problems"
- 20:27:17 [wendy]
- V - Tab order
- 20:27:46 [wendy]
- add editorial note and bugzilla issue
- 20:28:00 [wendy]
- accepted
- 20:28:10 [wendy]
- VI - Correction and proposed text for auto-submit combo boxes
- 20:29:10 [wendy]
- VII - Information about user agents
- 20:29:13 [wendy]
- ednote in intro
- 20:29:21 [wendy]
- (VI - use michael's proposal)
- 20:29:28 [wendy]
- yes - add ben's content to ednote
- 20:30:33 [wendy]
- responses to john's email:
- 20:30:40 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "HTML techniques doc isn't valid HTML"
- 20:30:48 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0268.html
- 20:31:05 [wendy]
- accept, "Short text alternatives for object element"
- 20:31:27 [wendy]
- js general comment that change "text equivalent" to "text alternative" throughout the doucment.
- 20:31:55 [wendy]
- js plus specific comment about "alt" on object element
- 20:34:02 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:34:29 [Zakim]
- +Paul_Bohman
- 20:34:51 [wendy]
- action: mc replace "text equivalent" with "text alternative"
- 20:36:07 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:37:15 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:39:05 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:39:05 [Zakim]
- Tom should no longer be muted
- 20:39:37 [wendy]
- action: mc add ref to 1.1 from image-text-links technique
- 20:39:59 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:39:59 [Zakim]
- Tom should now be muted
- 20:40:07 [wendy]
- explicit form labels
- 20:40:50 [wendy]
- js 2 proposals: 1. delete that link. move to 1.3.
- 20:41:05 [wendy]
- js 2. add a link about associating text alternatives w/input elements of type=image
- 20:41:42 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:41:42 [Zakim]
- Tom should no longer be muted
- 20:42:21 [wendy]
- mc agree with first
- 20:42:32 [wendy]
- mc second - if don't provide alt. also a label issue.
- 20:43:33 [wendy]
- action: wac delete link to "explicit form labels" from 1st gateway technique
- 20:43:46 [wendy]
- provide alt for area
- 20:44:24 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:46:40 [nabe]
- q+ to say "example alt-text in HTML techs 10.1 and 10.5 is appropriate?; alt='MyCompany' should be 'company logo'?'"
- 20:46:48 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:47:01 [wendy]
- ack yvette
- 20:47:01 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "HTML techniques doc isn't valid HTML"
- 20:47:54 [wendy]
- ack takayuki
- 20:47:54 [Zakim]
- Takayuki_Watanabe, you wanted to say "example alt-text in HTML techs 10.1 and 10.5 is appropriate?; alt='MyCompany' should be 'company logo'?'"
- 20:49:01 [wendy]
- proposal: combine "use client side image map" and "provide alt for area" into one technique named via john's proposal, "Provide text alternatives for selectable areas of client-side image maps")
- 20:49:11 [wendy]
- action: mc change alt='MyCompany'
- 20:49:21 [wendy]
- action: mc combine "use client side image map" and "provide alt for area" into one technique named via john's proposal, "Provide text alternatives for selectable areas of client-side image maps")
- 20:49:33 [wendy]
- action: wac adjust link to html techs based on combination of client-side image map techniques
- 20:49:50 [wendy]
- 7. "deprecated" techniques - why include if deprecated?
- 20:50:15 [wendy]
- js propose delete link from gateway, not delete the technique
- 20:51:06 [wendy]
- action: wac delete link to deprecated techniques
- 20:51:35 [wendy]
- bc propose ednote about types of techniques (optional, deprecated) etc
- 20:52:06 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0266.html
- 20:53:14 [wendy]
- adopt ben's proposal
- 20:53:39 [DoyleB]
- I am going to have to sign off is five minutes.
- 20:54:34 [wendy]
- action: wac, mc add ednote to intros of gateway, css, html about types of techniques per bc's proposal
- 20:56:39 [Zakim]
- -Doyle_Burnett
- 20:57:37 [wendy]
- ack david
- 20:59:21 [MichaelC]
- action: MC remove diff markup from xml
- 20:59:39 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:59:47 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:00:29 [wendy]
- gv editorial: ascii art - think it should say "star" instead of "start"
- 21:01:17 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+
- 21:01:25 [wendy]
- Topic: CSS Techs
- 21:01:40 [wendy]
- wac only comments were from ben
- 21:02:00 [wendy]
- yh viewing bug in IE
- 21:03:13 [wendy]
- wac have handled ben's comments. other issues were proposals related to other documents. action items and resolutiosn already complete.
- 21:03:20 [wendy]
- dm will send issues to the list
- 21:03:23 [wendy]
- ack yvette
- 21:03:34 [wendy]
- resolved: publish css
- 21:05:00 [wendy]
- resolved: publish html as amended
- 21:05:01 [wendy]
- Topic: Gateway
- 21:06:01 [nabe]
- q+ say "Japanese IE does not display CSS tech doc. I don't know why but omitting the comment element in the 2nd line may solve the problem."
- 21:06:09 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- scribe: Yvette
- 21:06:20 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0239.html
- 21:06:28 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- First issue: different views
- 21:06:44 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Tried different things
- 21:06:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Techniques call: preference for third view
- 21:07:12 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Wendy: like to propose to go with that
- 21:07:18 [nabe]
- q+ to say "Japanese IE does not display CSS tech doc. I don't know why but omitting the comment element in the 2nd line may solve the problem."
- 21:07:19 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- reactions?
- 21:07:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- bc would like to create PDF or postscript version
- 21:08:13 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- in meantime create alternate similar to option 1 in addition
- 21:08:54 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc breaking up in chuncks gives people idea of where we're heading
- 21:09:05 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc people still confused by the numbering, different issue
- 21:09:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc anyone object to moving forward to break up in sections? ok
- 21:10:59 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc to give people better idea, we will include placeholders
- 21:11:22 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc just so you can see how it looks, no actual content for the moment, just ednotes
- 21:12:08 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc there will be seperate html files for each of those chapters but will not contain anything but heading and placeholder
- 21:12:22 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc anyone object?
- 21:12:29 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc noone objects, will move forward with that
- 21:12:44 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc question about testability in gateway
- 21:13:03 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc thinks we should mention that testability could be an issue
- 21:13:29 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc I will finish linking to HTML techniques.
- 21:14:00 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc After today's discussion, I worry that mapping may be subject to debate
- 21:14:23 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc will go through with this with John and if we have any questions will go to the list. otherwise we will include them
- 21:14:53 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc propose: John and Wendy walk through all the links and look for discrepancies or strange things.
- 21:15:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- ack taka
- 21:15:02 [Zakim]
- Takayuki_Watanabe, you wanted to say "Japanese IE does not display CSS tech doc. I don't know why but omitting the comment element in the 2nd line may solve the problem."
- 21:15:02 [wendy]
- ack takayuki
- 21:15:35 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- tw: CSS document doesn't display in Japanese version of IE
- 21:15:42 [wendy]
- ack David
- 21:15:47 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc: is in all versions, ben will handle that
- 21:16:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- dmd just posted an end-to-end review
- 21:16:41 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- dmd the suggestions are problems like mapping
- 21:17:31 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc seems david is looking at different doc, we've only included 1.1
- 21:17:54 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc we just did the links for 1.1 so people can see how it looks and make it easier to get reviews
- 21:18:13 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- js we did a lot of brainstorming in california and decided to just go with 1.1 first
- 21:18:56 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc back to current proposal: anyone expect problems with links from gateway to HTML?
- 21:19:12 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:19:25 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc many links, some even repetetive. Redundancy is fine, for example to links about alt for images
- 21:19:39 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc but concerned about issues js raised with confusing links
- 21:19:53 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- js will try to get something to wendy first thing tomorrow
- 21:20:20 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc worried that I'm thinking about publishing something that other people haven't even seen yet
- 21:20:28 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:20:50 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- tc problem seems to be with link text
- 21:22:09 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc main purpose of publishing the 4 drafts together so people can see how they link to each other and that there are more pieces than just WCAG and HTML
- 21:22:18 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc send signal that we have been working on that
- 21:23:11 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc it's about getting feedback: what do people find confusing?
- 21:23:40 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc you haven't seen the links, should that delay the publishing?
- 21:23:55 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv what is your concern?
- 21:24:35 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv people can look at it after the call
- 21:24:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv people can raise objections, doesn't have to wait a week
- 21:25:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc want to follow process
- 21:25:55 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv objections to go ahead? no
- 21:26:15 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv how much work yet?
- 21:26:16 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wc Michael and wc still have some edits to do
- 21:26:47 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv suggestion: we approve the three we already discussed (WCAG, CSS, HTML)
- 21:27:04 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- and tentative approval for the gateway unless someone comes up with serious concern
- 21:27:52 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv consensus to approve gateway doc unless issue arises that wendy isn't able to address? yes
- 21:28:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv we did it!
- 21:28:08 [ben]
- fixed IE bug - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-CSS-TECHS-20040726.html
- 21:28:23 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- gv will not be here next week, travelling
- 21:29:15 [Zakim]
- -Bengt_Farre
- 21:29:19 [Zakim]
- -Sailesh_Panchang
- 21:30:04 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- entire group sings 'happy birthday' to Andi
- 21:30:13 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- meeting adjourned on time :-)
- 21:30:13 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Barta
- 21:30:16 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:30:17 [Zakim]
- -Becky_Gibson
- 21:30:17 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 21:30:18 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 21:30:19 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:30:19 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 21:30:20 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 21:30:21 [Zakim]
- -Ben_and_Gregg
- 21:30:22 [wendy]
- yvette - thanks for taking notes!
- 21:30:23 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 21:30:25 [Zakim]
- -Paul_Bohman
- 21:30:27 [Zakim]
- -Tom
- 21:30:29 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 21:30:31 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:30:33 [Zakim]
- -Takayuki_Watanabe
- 21:30:35 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 21:30:37 [Zakim]
- Attendees were John_Slatin, ChrisR|Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, Michael_Cooper, Takayuki_Watanabe, Wendy, Ben_and_Gregg, Tom, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Yvette_Hoitink,
- 21:30:40 [Zakim]
- ... Doyle_Burnett, Sailesh_Panchang, Becky_Gibson, Andi, David_MacDonald, Mike_Barta, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Paul_Bohman
- 21:31:09 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 21:31:09 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 21:31:14 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, make log world
- 21:31:20 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- I see 12 open action items:
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: gv and bc write ednote for defn of 'autored unit' [1]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-15-11
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: michael add bugzilla issue for Graphics used as form labels [2]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-23-06
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: john slatin write technique for Grouping radio buttons and checkboxes [3]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-24-13
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: mc replace "text equivalent" with "text alternative" [4]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-34-51
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: mc add ref to 1.1 from image-text-links technique [5]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-39-37
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wac delete link to "explicit form labels" from 1st gateway technique [6]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-43-33
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: mc change alt='MyCompany' [7]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-49-11
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: mc combine "use client side image map" and "provide alt for area" into one technique named via john's proposal, "Provide text alternatives for selectable areas of client-side image maps") [8]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-49-21
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wac adjust link to html techs based on combination of client-side image map techniques [9]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-49-33
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wac delete link to deprecated techniques [10]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-51-06
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wac, mc add ednote to intros of gateway, css, html about types of techniques per bc's proposal [11]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-54-34
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: MC remove diff markup from xml [12]
- 21:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/29-wai-wcag-irc#T20-59-21
- 21:31:36 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- wendy, i didn't log any action items during the last part