IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-05-27
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- 19:50:45 [RRSAgent]
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- 19:50:46 [rscano]
- :P
- 19:53:48 [sh1mmer]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 19:53:57 [sh1mmer]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 19:57:46 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- +[Microsoft]
- 19:57:57 [MichaelC]
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- 19:58:16 [rscano_mobile]
- hi michael
- 19:58:27 [MichaelC]
- Hey Roberto
- 19:58:40 [rscano_mobile]
- all ok?
- 19:59:07 [MichaelC]
- super busy, lots of projects, but basically that's good
- 19:59:14 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper
- 19:59:20 [rscano_mobile]
- me too
- 19:59:33 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 19:59:36 [MichaelC]
- zakim, I am Michael
- 19:59:36 [Zakim]
- ok, MichaelC, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper
- 19:59:51 [MichaelC]
- zakim, mute me
- 19:59:51 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper should now be muted
- 19:59:56 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
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- +??P4
- 20:01:10 [MattSEA]
- MattSEA has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:01:11 [Zakim]
- +Sailesh_Panchang
- 20:01:31 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P4 is Bengt_Farre
- 20:01:31 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 20:01:36 [bengtf]
- zakim, ??P4 is Bengt_Farre
- 20:01:36 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P4 as Bengt_Farre, bengtf
- 20:01:44 [MichaelC]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:01:44 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper (muted), ??P2, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Sailesh_Panchang
- 20:01:50 [bengtf]
- zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
- 20:01:50 [Zakim]
- ok, bengtf, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
- 20:01:51 [rscano_mobile]
- who is p2?
- 20:01:56 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P2 is David_MacDonald
- 20:01:56 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 20:02:04 [bengtf]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:02:04 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 20:02:35 [MattSEA]
- we will need a volunteer to scribe...
- 20:02:50 [Zakim]
- +Matt
- 20:03:00 [MattSEA]
- zakim, matt has Wendy
- 20:03:00 [Zakim]
- +Wendy; got it
- 20:03:10 [Zakim]
- +JasonWhite
- 20:03:37 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 20:03:43 [MattSEA]
- zakim, who's here?
- 20:03:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper (muted), David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre (muted), Sailesh_Panchang, Matt, JasonWhite (muted), ??P6
- 20:03:50 [Zakim]
- Matt has Wendy
- 20:03:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see MattSEA, MichaelC, RRSAgent, Zakim, andyjudson, rscano_mobile, bengtf, sh1mmer
- 20:04:12 [MattSEA]
- zakim, ??P6 is Gregg_and_Ben
- 20:04:12 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
- 20:05:12 [Zakim]
- -JasonWhite
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +JasonWhite
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- + +1.315.347.aaaa
- 20:07:25 [Zakim]
- +Tom_Croucher
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:07:34 [Yvette_Hoitink]
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- 20:07:44 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Hi all, sorry I'm late
- 20:07:53 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:08:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:08:01 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper (muted), David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre (muted), Sailesh_Panchang, Matt, JasonWhite, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
- 20:08:01 [rscano_mobile]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:08:04 [Zakim]
- ... +1.315.347.aaaa, Tom_Croucher, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:08:06 [Zakim]
- Matt has Wendy
- 20:08:07 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper (muted), David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre (muted), Sailesh_Panchang, Matt, JasonWhite, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
- 20:08:09 [Zakim]
- ... +1.315.347.aaaa, Tom_Croucher, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:08:09 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, i am tom
- 20:08:10 [Zakim]
- Matt has Wendy
- 20:08:11 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom_Croucher
- 20:08:26 [bengtf]
- zakim, +1.315.347.aaa is Yvette
- 20:08:26 [Zakim]
- +Yvette; got it
- 20:08:53 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- That's a very odd number for me
- 20:09:03 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Bengt, are you sure that's me?
- 20:09:11 [bengtf]
- yup
- 20:09:15 [Zakim]
- +Avi
- 20:09:22 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- odd, I'm not calling from the US
- 20:09:31 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, I am Yvette
- 20:09:31 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette_Hoitink, I now associate you with Yvette
- 20:09:44 [bengtf]
- what service do you use ?
- 20:10:12 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- a pre-dialer but last week it listed me as my regular number (+31.53.4772452)
- 20:10:45 [bengtf]
- ok, strange
- 20:10:53 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- I have to dial 1649 before my number and then I only pay 1 cent/minute
- 20:11:15 [bengtf]
- do mute by keypad and lets see if you can talk :)
- 20:11:22 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:11:22 [Zakim]
- Yvette should now be muted
- 20:11:58 [bengtf]
- yvette if you talk we cant hear you :)
- 20:12:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- great
- 20:12:22 [sh1mmer]
- Agenda item 1
- 20:12:31 [sh1mmer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0157.html
- 20:12:44 [sh1mmer]
- Proposal for guideline 2.4
- 20:14:25 [sh1mmer]
- Missed the part about independance of the author. Sailesh says that if you use structure you are automatically helping the user to navigate.
- 20:14:37 [sh1mmer]
- Gregg, says that it affects visable structure.
- 20:14:45 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:14:48 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "seems to require a distinct layout for each individual element"
- 20:16:01 [sh1mmer]
- Gregg wonders if a sighted person can't see something different then it isn't a structural different
- 20:17:05 [sh1mmer]
- John asks if this is actually to do with Guideline one, because people should be able to 'percieve' the differences with different structures
- 20:17:17 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 20:17:20 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 20:17:26 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute
- 20:17:26 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'unmute', Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:17:30 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:17:30 [Zakim]
- Yvette should no longer be muted
- 20:18:38 [bcaldwell]
- q?
- 20:18:47 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:19:01 [Zakim]
- bcaldwell, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (20%), Sailesh_Panchang (4%), Gregg_and_Ben (16%), Tom_Croucher (58%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (66%)
- 20:19:23 [sh1mmer]
- Structure of content does not constrict graphics.
- 20:19:39 [sh1mmer]
- Falls into both perception and operation
- 20:19:47 [sh1mmer]
- such as markup of lists of items for operable
- 20:20:24 [sh1mmer]
- Yvette suggests that it could limit layout, and does not want it in the guidelines at all in this form
- 20:20:59 [sh1mmer]
- Yvette doesn't think it is possible to format it in a way which is appropraite for graphics designers
- 20:21:29 [sh1mmer]
- ack Yvette
- 20:21:29 [Zakim]
- Yvette, you wanted to say "seems to require a distinct layout for each individual element"
- 20:21:34 [sh1mmer]
- ack Jason
- 20:21:52 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- s/format/formulate
- 20:21:55 [sh1mmer]
- Gregg says that this is very general
- 20:22:24 [sh1mmer]
- jason says not all structural elements are shown in all presentation, its not that structure is visible it depends on the presentation
- 20:23:19 [sh1mmer]
- jason agree with Yvette that this kind of statement limits presentation and shouldn't be at level 1
- 20:23:23 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:23:37 [sh1mmer]
- jason agrees with john
- 20:23:55 [sh1mmer]
- jason says it should be at at least level 2 if it should be in the document at all
- 20:25:19 [sh1mmer]
- motion suggested to leave this at level two
- 20:25:33 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 20:25:38 [sh1mmer]
- ack john
- 20:25:40 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:26:08 [sh1mmer]
- gregg ask people for suggestions for ways to move meetings forward
- 20:26:37 [bengtf]
- we can time with zakim for each item ...
- 20:26:43 [sh1mmer]
- john suggests the chair declairs a time and adds reminders. at end of time ask for resolution
- 20:27:24 [sh1mmer]
- john also suggests someone to be a faciliator who isn't actively participating, so that someone is distinguised between chair and discusor
- 20:27:38 [sh1mmer]
- gregg is trying to fill these roles
- 20:27:45 [sh1mmer]
- ack Jason
- 20:27:46 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "suggest to appoint action item if controversy"
- 20:28:17 [sh1mmer]
- Give priority to items on the list, so that quick resolutions are achieved
- 20:28:31 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 20:29:33 [sh1mmer]
- Jason says possibly not allow new points in calls
- 20:29:49 [rscano_mobil]
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- tom says that a time limit for items which if resolution isn't reached at the end of call then it goes back to the list
- 20:30:14 [sh1mmer]
- Yvette and Gregg agree a mix of prior points would be beneficial
- 20:31:12 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:31:14 [Zakim]
- Yvette should now be muted
- 20:31:25 [sh1mmer]
- encourage list discussion, set time limits, if agruments aren't going one way or another ask for a resolution
- 20:31:29 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:31:29 [Zakim]
- Yvette should no longer be muted
- 20:31:34 [sh1mmer]
- ack Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:31:40 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- ack YVette
- 20:31:40 [Zakim]
- Yvette, you wanted to say "suggest to appoint action item if controversy"
- 20:31:41 [sh1mmer]
- ack Yvette
- 20:31:45 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 20:31:47 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:31:50 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:31:50 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named 'Yvette_Hoitink'
- 20:31:57 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, Yvette is Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:31:57 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 20:32:25 [sh1mmer]
- move sucess critera to 1.3 level 2
- 20:32:27 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 20:36:47 [sh1mmer]
- q_
- 20:36:48 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 20:37:00 [sh1mmer]
- Nothing to do with css
- 20:37:08 [sh1mmer]
- to do with default representation
- 20:37:36 [sh1mmer]
- Gregg suggests removing this guideline
- 20:38:31 [sh1mmer]
- q+ to say "it just clicked and its a UA issue"
- 20:38:34 [sh1mmer]
- ack tom
- 20:38:35 [Zakim]
- Tom_Croucher, you wanted to say "it just clicked and its a UA issue"
- 20:38:57 [MattSEA]
- q+
- 20:39:13 [bcaldwell]
- q+
- 20:39:15 [sh1mmer]
- ack Matt
- 20:39:32 [sh1mmer]
- tom says this is a user agent issue because if it is default presentation
- 20:40:17 [sh1mmer]
- matt says there are guidelines on how to present it, which are presented in defined ways
- 20:40:21 [GVAN]
- Q+
- 20:40:25 [sh1mmer]
- matt you can't have n different views
- 20:40:49 [sh1mmer]
- ack bcaldwell
- 20:40:59 [bcaldwell]
- ack GVAN
- 20:41:06 [sh1mmer]
- ben verifies that this is to remove the sucess criteria not the guideline
- 20:41:35 [sh1mmer]
- gregg confirms this is to remove the success criteria not the guideline
- 20:42:40 [sh1mmer]
- Action item 506
- 20:42:53 [sh1mmer]
- Comment to clarify definition of structure
- 20:43:09 [sh1mmer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0316.html
- 20:43:37 [sh1mmer]
- "Ensure that information structure of the code are seperable from presentation"
- 20:43:44 [GVAN]
- Q+
- 20:44:08 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:44:08 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:44:19 [sh1mmer]
- David suggests that structure is defined with an addition "We refer to structure as it is perceived by a User Agent such as a
- 20:44:20 [sh1mmer]
- browser on the client side.
- 20:44:21 [sh1mmer]
- "
- 20:44:27 [sh1mmer]
- ack gvan
- 20:45:12 [sh1mmer]
- concern about hierarchical and non-hierarchical strutcure
- 20:45:12 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:45:15 [sh1mmer]
- ack john
- 20:45:25 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:45:26 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (76%), Avi (10%)
- 20:45:40 [Zakim]
- sh1mmer, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (92%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (10%)
- 20:46:04 [sh1mmer]
- Definitions have been explicitly or implicitly xml or html center
- 20:46:39 [sh1mmer]
- john tried to imply that other things can have structure, eg svg, maths formulas
- 20:47:08 [sh1mmer]
- so for example we don't want to say 'you must use svg to do graphics (to imply structure)'
- 20:47:28 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Dictionary.com: structure = The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole
- 20:47:29 [sh1mmer]
- the use of the words 'elements' means something specific in markup languages
- 20:47:59 [sh1mmer]
- say that some are hierarchical and some not and give example
- 20:48:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "dict. definition"
- 20:48:16 [sh1mmer]
- gregg shall we just say the "intend relationships between the content"
- 20:48:45 [sh1mmer]
- intended
- 20:49:11 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, umnute me
- 20:49:11 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'umnute me', Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:49:30 [sh1mmer]
- jason agrees with john
- 20:49:34 [bcaldwell]
- ack JasonWhite
- 20:49:36 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:49:36 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 20:50:04 [sh1mmer]
- jason says that images should be included in examples, but since they are not normative thats ok
- 20:50:08 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:50:10 [bcaldwell]
- ack Yvette
- 20:50:10 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "dict. definition"
- 20:50:10 [GVAN]
- ack yvette
- 20:50:45 [sh1mmer]
- Yvette has a useful from a dicitonary
- 20:51:11 [GVAN]
- The way in which parts are put together to make a whole
- 20:51:13 [sh1mmer]
- "structure is the way in which parts are arranged or puts to form a whole"
- 20:51:27 [sh1mmer]
- put together
- 20:51:35 [sh1mmer]
- ack tom
- 20:51:35 [bcaldwell]
- ack Tom
- 20:52:03 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:52:22 [bcaldwell]
- ack Sailesh
- 20:52:38 [sh1mmer]
- david said to makes sure people understood what was required
- 20:52:56 [sh1mmer]
- concise defintion but wasn't useful
- 20:53:02 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, unmute sailesh
- 20:53:02 [Zakim]
- Sailesh_Panchang was not muted, sh1mmer
- 20:53:20 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+
- 20:53:26 [sh1mmer]
- propesed that we add a few words that are "can be percieved"
- 20:54:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q-
- 20:54:16 [sh1mmer]
- that means all html has to be made percieveabl
- 20:54:32 [sh1mmer]
- john would be much happier if we accepted as a defintion of structure
- 20:54:41 [sh1mmer]
- what Yvette_Hoitink proposed
- 20:54:54 [sh1mmer]
- maybe change "whole" to "web resource" or some other appropriate term
- 20:55:00 [sh1mmer]
- a definition just says what it is.
- 20:55:24 [sh1mmer]
- structure is what structure is, the guideline defines what structure is
- 20:55:42 [sh1mmer]
- the guidelines defines how structure must be used or be percievable
- 20:56:04 [bcaldwell]
- ack Tom
- 20:56:58 [bcaldwell]
- ack Jason
- 20:57:00 [sh1mmer]
- tom not happy with def
- 20:57:44 [sh1mmer]
- jason proposal for imformative should be taken to the mailing list
- 20:57:59 [sh1mmer]
- worried about anything that says structure should be provided by the user agent
- 20:59:29 [sh1mmer]
- worried about machine prossible at the user agent
- 20:59:57 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 21:00:35 [sh1mmer]
- jason: not require content which is given to the user agent is machine readble
- 21:00:59 [sh1mmer]
- structure of content which is given to the UA is machine readble
- 21:02:11 [sh1mmer]
- need to rewrite 1.3 to accomadte that the delivery might be taliored to the user
- 21:02:31 [sh1mmer]
- and as such structure would be appropriate to that user even though the user agent cannot define the structure
- 21:02:49 [bcaldwell]
- q?
- 21:03:22 [bcaldwell]
- ack David
- 21:04:19 [bcaldwell]
- Ensure that information, functionality, and structure of the code and
- 21:04:20 [bcaldwell]
- layout are separable from presentation
- 21:04:36 [sh1mmer]
- "ensure that information functionality and layout of the code and layout are seperable from presentation
- 21:04:41 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "layout seperable from presentation???"
- 21:05:03 [bcaldwell]
- ack Yvette
- 21:05:03 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "layout seperable from presentation???"
- 21:05:37 [sh1mmer]
- layout and presenation are pretty much the same thing
- 21:05:59 [sh1mmer]
- confusing to say that layout and presentation are seperable
- 21:06:38 [sh1mmer]
- student of john's who is a native chinese speaker did not know what the word 'presentation' meant
- 21:06:44 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:07:32 [rscano]
- rscano has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:08:20 [sh1mmer]
- action: Jason and John write up a proposal for how to solve this, without causing problem for preprocessing specifally for user needs
- 21:09:27 [sh1mmer]
- action: remove success criteria level 2 item 1 or guideline 2.4
- 21:10:09 [sh1mmer]
- gregg suggests that if people have problems with the iformative that editors can just fix it
- 21:11:05 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 21:12:03 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 21:13:07 [bcaldwell]
- ack John
- 21:13:09 [bcaldwell]
- ack Jason
- 21:13:28 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is Mike
- 21:13:28 [Zakim]
- +Mike; got it
- 21:13:34 [sh1mmer]
- john objects, suggests the be collected for calls
- 21:13:37 [bcaldwell]
- ack Microsoft
- 21:13:46 [bcaldwell]
- ack [Microsoft]
- 21:13:57 [sh1mmer]
- tom suggests that they get sent to the lists with corrections and people havea week to object
- 21:14:17 [sh1mmer]
- resolve informative items in calls
- 21:14:43 [sh1mmer]
- not resolve..
- 21:14:43 [MattSEA]
- q+ wendy
- 21:14:54 [sh1mmer]
- ack sailesh
- 21:14:55 [MattSEA]
- ack sail
- 21:15:17 [bcaldwell]
- ack Sailesh
- 21:15:20 [sh1mmer]
- sailesh suggests remove the informative from the document
- 21:15:23 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 21:15:25 [sh1mmer]
- ack wendy
- 21:15:58 [sh1mmer]
- wendy suggests that sailesh's proposal is too big to cover
- 21:16:46 [sh1mmer]
- wendy says that we shouldn't put informative on the agenda unless they are unresolvable on the list
- 21:17:54 [sh1mmer]
- ack andi
- 21:17:57 [bcaldwell]
- ack Andi
- 21:18:15 [sh1mmer]
- andi thinks that guidelines are so abstract they are needed for understanding
- 21:18:27 [bcaldwell]
- q+
- 21:18:45 [sh1mmer]
- the informative is a necessary part of facilitating the use of hte guidelines
- 21:19:15 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 21:19:36 [sh1mmer]
- failed motion to move the informative to a seperate document
- 21:19:38 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 21:19:40 [sh1mmer]
- q- david
- 21:19:41 [bcaldwell]
- q-
- 21:19:51 [bcaldwell]
- ack David
- 21:19:52 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- I agree with Andy
- 21:20:41 [sh1mmer]
- a) issues around informative information, editors try to create a solution with the person raising the solution
- 21:20:47 [sh1mmer]
- b) post issue and suggests to list
- 21:21:00 [sh1mmer]
- c) objections and comments noted
- 21:21:20 [sh1mmer]
- d) suggestion can be addressed
- 21:21:36 [sh1mmer]
- e) if suggestions cannnot be address it goes to a call other wise is resolved
- 21:21:38 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 21:22:09 [sh1mmer]
- time limit is 2 weeks
- 21:22:25 [sh1mmer]
- ONLY for informative
- 21:22:40 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "handle normative likewise, but then put on agenda"
- 21:22:46 [sh1mmer]
- q-
- 21:22:53 [sh1mmer]
- ack Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:22:53 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "handle normative likewise, but then put on agenda"
- 21:24:29 [sh1mmer]
- Editors cannot handle such a large workload
- 21:24:40 [sh1mmer]
- Calls help to distribute among people to work
- 21:24:48 [sh1mmer]
- Issue 707
- 21:24:53 [sh1mmer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0203.html
- 21:24:58 [sh1mmer]
- 4. example 3 doesn't make a recommendation - seems like a UA problem (Issue
- 21:24:59 [sh1mmer]
- 707)
- 21:25:04 [sh1mmer]
- this is informative
- 21:25:59 [sh1mmer]
- Issue 776
- 21:26:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+ to say "no examples for contracted words causing problems"
- 21:26:14 [sh1mmer]
- Another informative
- 21:26:32 [sh1mmer]
- ack Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:26:32 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "no examples for contracted words causing problems"
- 21:31:45 [sh1mmer]
- everything in the appendix is not normative except the glossary
- 21:34:07 [Zakim]
- -Mike
- 21:34:08 [Zakim]
- -Tom_Croucher
- 21:34:08 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 21:34:09 [Zakim]
- -Matt
- 21:34:09 [bengtf]
- byebye
- 21:34:10 [Zakim]
- -Sailesh_Panchang
- 21:34:10 [Zakim]
- -Avi
- 21:34:11 [Zakim]
- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 21:34:12 [Zakim]
- -Gregg_and_Ben
- 21:34:13 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, bye
- 21:34:14 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, John_Slatin, Sailesh_Panchang, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald, Wendy, JasonWhite, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
- 21:34:17 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 21:34:19 [Zakim]
- ... +1.315.347.aaaa, Tom_Croucher, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Avi, Yvette_Hoitink, Mike
- 21:34:22 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, RRSAgent bye
- 21:34:27 [sh1mmer]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 21:34:27 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items:
- 21:34:27 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jason and John write up a proposal for how to solve this, without causing problem for preprocessing specifally for user needs [1]
- 21:34:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/05/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-08-20
- 21:34:27 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: remove success criteria level 2 item 1 or guideline 2.4 [2]
- 21:34:27 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/05/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-09-27
- 21:34:29 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Gregg, got a minute?