IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-05-13
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- 19:55:06 [RRSAgent]
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- 19:55:34 [bengt]
- we were very happy when we changed from paper terminals to adm terminals ....
- 19:56:16 [Yvette]
- paper terminals? lol
- 19:56:22 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
- 19:56:30 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 19:56:36 [bengt]
- well paper writing terminals ....
- 19:56:40 [Yvette]
- ah :-)
- 19:57:11 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 19:57:19 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 19:57:33 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P2 is Bengt_Farre
- 19:57:33 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 19:57:54 [bengt]
- zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
- 19:57:54 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
- 19:57:59 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 19:58:04 [Yvette]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:58:04 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette, I do not see a party named 'Yvette_Hoitink'
- 19:58:05 [bengt]
- zakim, mute me
- 19:58:05 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 19:58:16 [Zakim]
- +Tom_Croucher
- 19:58:17 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 19:58:19 [sh1mmer]
- woo!
- 19:58:27 [tecks]
- tecks has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:58:31 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 19:58:32 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P3 is Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:58:32 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 19:58:38 [Yvette]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:58:38 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:58:52 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, I am Tom_Croucher
- 19:58:52 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom_Croucher
- 19:58:57 [sh1mmer]
- zakim, mute me
- 19:58:57 [Zakim]
- Tom_Croucher should now be muted
- 19:59:09 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 19:59:12 [sh1mmer]
- I can't believe it recognised me :D
- 19:59:16 [Yvette]
- congraz!
- 19:59:17 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Scano
- 19:59:17 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 19:59:18 [Becky]
- Becky has joined #WAI-WCAG
- 19:59:23 [rscano]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
- 19:59:23 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 19:59:28 [Yvette]
- Hi Becky and tecks
- 19:59:30 [rscano]
- zakim, mute me
- 19:59:30 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 19:59:36 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who's on the phone
- 19:59:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', sh1mmer
- 19:59:38 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 19:59:38 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted)
- 19:59:38 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 19:59:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted)
- 19:59:43 [Becky]
- Hello
- 19:59:47 [sh1mmer]
- Hi
- 19:59:50 [rscano]
- Hello becky
- 19:59:51 [nabe]
- nabe has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:59:59 [Becky]
- I have to leave early today - half way thru call at 4:45 EDT
- 20:00:00 [Yvette]
- Hi Takayuki
- 20:00:06 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 20:00:11 [Zakim]
- +Sailesh_Panchang
- 20:00:23 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P7 is Doyle
- 20:00:23 [Zakim]
- +Doyle; got it
- 20:00:39 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 20:00:41 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone
- 20:00:41 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Yvette
- 20:00:43 [bcaldwell]
- bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:00:52 [nabe]
- good morining everyone!
- 20:00:58 [rscano]
- good afternoon from Venice :)
- 20:01:08 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:01:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted), Doyle, Sailesh_Panchang, ??P9
- 20:01:11 [Zakim]
- +Matt
- 20:01:12 [tecks]
- hi roberto
- 20:01:18 [rscano]
- hi!
- 20:01:24 [MattSEA]
- MattSEA has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:01:41 [Zakim]
- +??P11
- 20:01:54 [bcaldwell]
- Zakim, ??P11 is Ben_Caldwell
- 20:01:54 [Zakim]
- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
- 20:02:20 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P9 is nabe
- 20:02:20 [Zakim]
- +nabe; got it
- 20:02:40 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone
- 20:02:40 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Yvette
- 20:02:45 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:02:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted), Doyle, Sailesh_Panchang, nabe, Matt,
- 20:02:48 [Zakim]
- ... Ben_Caldwell
- 20:02:48 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 20:02:49 [Zakim]
- +JasonWhite
- 20:03:04 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 20:03:40 [Yvette]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is Mike_Barta
- 20:03:40 [Zakim]
- +Mike_Barta; got it
- 20:03:45 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:03:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mike_Barta, Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted), Doyle, Sailesh_Panchang, nabe, Matt,
- 20:03:48 [Zakim]
- ... Ben_Caldwell, Wendy, JasonWhite, John_Slatin
- 20:03:49 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 20:04:03 [rscano]
- zakim, ??[IBM] is Andy
- 20:04:03 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '??[IBM]'
- 20:04:12 [Yvette]
- zakim, [IBM] is Andy
- 20:04:12 [Zakim]
- +Andy; got it
- 20:04:18 [rscano]
- ;-)
- 20:04:22 [bcaldwell]
- zakim, Andy is Andi
- 20:04:22 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 20:04:27 [bcaldwell]
- :)
- 20:07:24 [GVAN]
- GVAN has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:07:29 [Zakim]
- +Becky_Gibson
- 20:07:31 [sh1mmer]
- hey Gregg
- 20:07:34 [rscano]
- hi Gregg
- 20:07:56 [rscano]
- zakim, becky is Becky_Gibson
- 20:07:56 [Zakim]
- +Becky_Gibson; got it
- 20:08:06 [sh1mmer]
- ;)
- 20:08:10 [GVAN]
- will be with you soon
- 20:09:37 [Zakim]
- +Avi
- 20:10:13 [Zakim]
- + +1.613.220.aaaa
- 20:10:23 [rscano]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0361.html
- 20:10:37 [Zakim]
- + +1.404.385.aabb
- 20:10:55 [Yvette]
- zakim, +1.404.385.aabb is GVAN
- 20:10:55 [Zakim]
- +GVAN; got it
- 20:11:04 [bcaldwell]
- Zakim, 1.613.220.aaaa is David_MacDonald
- 20:11:04 [Zakim]
- sorry, bcaldwell, I do not recognize a party named '1.613.220.aaaa'
- 20:11:07 [Yvette]
- zakim, GVAG is Gregg_Vanderheijden
- 20:11:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette, I do not recognize a party named 'GVAG'
- 20:11:13 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:11:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mike_Barta, Bengt_Farre (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Tom_Croucher (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Scano (muted), Doyle, Sailesh_Panchang, nabe, Matt,
- 20:11:14 [Yvette]
- zakim, GVAN is Gregg_Vanderheijden
- 20:11:16 [Zakim]
- ... Ben_Caldwell, Wendy, JasonWhite, John_Slatin, Andi, Becky_Gibson.a, Avi, +1.613.220.aaaa (muted), GVAN
- 20:11:19 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_Vanderheijden; got it
- 20:11:34 [Yvette]
- zakim, Gregg_Vanderheijden is Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 20:11:34 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
- 20:11:43 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.613.220.aaaa is David_MacDonald
- 20:11:43 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 20:12:54 [rscano]
- 1. working definition of the criteria for placing items in each of the
- 20:12:54 [rscano]
- three levels:
- 20:12:54 [rscano]
- <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0180.html>
- 20:18:15 [Yvette]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0351.html
- 20:22:04 [wendy]
- q+ yvette
- 20:22:15 [Yvette]
- thx Wendy
- 20:28:14 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 20:30:06 [GVAN]
- The Working Group believes that all success criteria should be testable. Tests can be done by computer programs or by people who understand these guidelines. Tests done by people who understand the guidelines should get the same results testing the same content for the same success criteria.
- 20:30:08 [Yvette]
- q-
- 20:31:05 [Yvette]
- q-
- 20:31:10 [Yvette]
- ack yvette
- 20:31:14 [Yvette]
- ack John_Slatin
- 20:31:15 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 20:31:23 [wendy]
- thx yvette
- 20:31:27 [Yvette]
- np
- 20:32:17 [Yvette]
- Discussing agenda item 1
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- Define what goes in which level
- 20:33:57 [Yvette]
- Difference between level 1 and 2 is approx. that 1 is minimum, invisible
- 20:34:18 [Yvette]
- ack John_Slatin
- 20:36:08 [Yvette]
- level 1: minimum level that works with AT
- 20:36:23 [Zakim]
- +??P16
- 20:36:25 [Yvette]
- level 2: Further than that + change content and presentation
- 20:36:48 [wendy]
- agenda+ F2F in July
- 20:37:16 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P16 is DavidMcDonald
- 20:37:16 [Zakim]
- +DavidMcDonald; got it
- 20:38:18 [Yvette]
- all content requires handling by UA
- 20:38:37 [Yvette]
- ... should not require intervention by "special functions"
- 20:38:47 [Yvette]
- s/functions/features
- 20:39:06 [rscano]
- content must dialog with UA using API... it is a point in UAAG 1.0
- 20:39:25 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 20:40:29 [Yvette]
- problem: don't want to say "special features" because that depends on default configuration
- 20:40:44 [rscano]
- UAAG 1.0 - Guideline 4. Ensure user control of rendering
- 20:41:41 [rscano]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#gl-user-control-styles
- 20:41:56 [Zakim]
- -Becky_Gibson.a
- 20:42:07 [Yvette]
- one of the reasons for WCAG is that we want people to use non-default settings
- 20:42:24 [Yvette]
- level 1 might require you to change your configuration to make accessible
- 20:44:30 [Yvette]
- level 2 succes criteria would be so that it is accessible in mainstream media without changing settings
- 20:44:41 [sh1mmer]
- ack Jason
- 20:44:47 [wendy]
- does level 1 #1 1.4 meet this defn? Any text that is presented over a background is electronically available so that it could be re-presented in a form that allows the text to be distinguished from the background.
- 20:47:26 [Yvette]
- Yes, does meet because you can get the information by interacting with user agent (copy-paste for example)
- 20:50:44 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:50:53 [GVAN]
- Increase accessibility both though additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility and through content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities.
- 20:51:10 [GVAN]
- Increase accessibility both though additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility and through content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or their user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities.
- 20:51:19 [Yvette]
- lol
- 20:51:22 [rscano]
- lol
- 20:51:23 [Zakim]
- -Matt
- 20:52:59 [Yvette]
- Jason: concept of not having to change anything is spurious, for example font shown much smaller on IE than other browsers
- 20:53:14 [sh1mmer]
- twas Tom
- 20:53:17 [Yvette]
- sorry
- 20:53:20 [sh1mmer]
- :)
- 20:53:36 [Yvette]
- s/Jason/Tom
- 20:53:43 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 20:55:18 [Yvette]
- Mike: likes the wording but 'direct accessibility' not applicable to use of fontsettings
- 20:55:45 [Yvette]
- not a real problem because first half of definition includes facilitation of accessibility features
- 20:56:43 [Yvette]
- level 2 is both AT-accessibility features and direct accessibility in 'default' settings
- 20:57:00 [rscano]
- (phone regrets from Roberto Ellero and Roberto Castaldo)
- 20:57:07 [MattSEA]
- MattSEA has left #wai-wcag
- 20:57:13 [Yvette]
- John: perhaps we should split this one because it is confusing
- 20:58:18 [sh1mmer]
- q?
- 20:58:22 [sh1mmer]
- ack mike
- 20:58:25 [sh1mmer]
- ack john
- 20:58:46 [GVAN]
- 1. Increase accessibility both
- 20:58:46 [GVAN]
- a) though additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility and
- 20:58:46 [GVAN]
- b) through content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or their user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities.
- 20:59:26 [Yvette]
- John wants to delete everything after "presentation" for b
- 20:59:32 [wendy]
- q+ to say, "what about rest of the agenda?"
- 21:00:06 [Andi]
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- 1. Increase accessibility either
- 21:00:22 [GVAN]
- a) through additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility or
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- b) through content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or their user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities.
- 21:00:22 [GVAN]
- c) or both.
- 21:00:39 [wendy]
- ack wendy
- 21:00:39 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say, "what about rest of the agenda?"
- 21:01:19 [Yvette]
- level 3: Go beyond Level 1 and 2 to increase direct and user agent enhanced
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- accessibility
- 21:02:04 [Yvette]
- level 2: s/1. Increase/ Increases
- 21:02:22 [GVAN]
- The Working Group believes that all success criteria should be testable. Tests can be done by computer programs or by people who understand these guidelines. Tests done by people who understand the guidelines should get the same results testing the same content for the same success criteria.
- 21:02:22 [GVAN]
- LEVEL 1 SUCCESS CRITERIA
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-
- 21:02:22 [GVAN]
- 1. Achieve a minimum level of accessibility through markup, scripting, or other technologies that interact with user agents, including assistive technologies;
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- 2. The working group felt could be reasonably be applied to all Web resources;
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- LEVEL 2 SUCCESS CRITERIA
- 21:02:28 [GVAN]
- 1. Increases accessibility either
- 21:02:30 [GVAN]
- a) through additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility or
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- b) through content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or their user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities.
- 21:02:35 [GVAN]
- c) or both.
- 21:02:37 [GVAN]
-
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- 2. The working group felt could be reasonably be applied to all Web resources;
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-
- 21:02:43 [GVAN]
- LEVEL 3 SUCCESS CRITERIA
- 21:02:45 [GVAN]
- 1. Go beyond Level 1 and 2 to increase direct and user agent enhanced accessibility
- 21:03:54 [Yvette]
- s/the working group felt/the working group feels
- 21:04:06 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 21:04:43 [Yvette]
- level 1+2 #2: Can reasonably be appied to all web resources
- 21:04:58 [Yvette]
- level 1+2 #2: Can reasonably be applied to all web resources
- 21:05:07 [doyle]
- feels to believe - agree with andi and john
- 21:05:44 [Yvette]
- Level 2: Increases accessibility through either or both of the following: a b
- 21:05:48 [Zakim]
- -DavidMcDonald
- 21:06:06 [GVAN]
- The Working Group believes that all success criteria should be testable. Tests can be done by computer programs or by people who understand these guidelines. Tests done by people who understand the guidelines should get the same results testing the same content for the same success criteria.
- 21:06:08 [GVAN]
- LEVEL 1 SUCCESS CRITERIA
- 21:06:08 [GVAN]
-
- 21:06:08 [GVAN]
- 1. Achieve a minimum level of accessibility through markup, scripting, or other technologies that interact with user agents, including assistive technologies;
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- 2. Could be reasonably be applied to all Web resources;
- 21:06:10 [GVAN]
- LEVEL 2 SUCCESS CRITERIA
- 21:06:12 [GVAN]
- 1. Increases accessibility either through either or both of the following
- 21:06:14 [GVAN]
- a) additional facilitation of user agent based accessibility
- 21:06:16 [GVAN]
- b) content and/or presentation that provides direct accessibility without requiring the user or their user agent to do anything different from users without disabilities or
- 21:06:19 [GVAN]
-
- 21:06:21 [GVAN]
-
- 21:06:23 [GVAN]
- 2. Could be reasonably be applied to all Web resources;
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-
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- LEVEL 3 SUCCESS CRITERIA
- 21:06:29 [GVAN]
- 1. Go beyond Level 1 and 2 to increase direct and user agent enhanced accessibility
- 21:06:39 [rscano]
- no objections
- 21:06:42 [rscano]
- :)
- 21:07:00 [Yvette]
- consensus to adopt the last formulation
- 21:07:46 [Yvette]
- Agenda item: face-to-face meeting in July, Europe
- 21:08:10 [Yvette]
- Wendy ran into problems when arranging meeting in Europe
- 21:08:24 [Yvette]
- possibility to hold F2F in US in July
- 21:08:26 [Yvette]
- q+
- 21:08:54 [Yvette]
- possibly Europe in fall
- 21:09:09 [Yvette]
- if US in summer, def Europe in fall
- 21:09:22 [wendy]
- ack andi
- 21:09:24 [wendy]
- ack yvette
- 21:10:04 [wendy]
- yvette is disappointed. originally told europe in spring, then summer, now fall.
- 21:10:18 [Yvette]
- problem is holiday season in Europe
- 21:10:55 [wendy]
- ack jason
- 21:11:14 [wendy]
- 12-15 july
- 21:11:20 [Yvette]
- Jason can't make it
- 21:11:34 [Yvette]
- Westcoast
- 21:12:54 [bengt]
- what about isaac meeting in brazil ?
- 21:13:32 [bengt]
- dont forget linz
- 21:14:07 [Yvette]
- we have been around the world in the last year
- 21:14:21 [Yvette]
- Venice, Japan, US, France
- 21:14:38 [wendy]
- july - italy, september - canada, november - japan, march - france, march - u.s.
- 21:14:42 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 21:14:51 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 21:16:13 [Yvette]
- Try to provide teleconferencing possibilities
- 21:16:37 [rscano]
- W3C need to implement teleconference system ;-)
- 21:16:40 [wendy]
- 19-23 july instead?
- 21:16:43 [rscano]
- ask to Macromedia ;-)
- 21:17:10 [Yvette]
- John Slatin not sure about either date
- 21:17:25 [Yvette]
- q+
- 21:18:36 [wendy]
- ack yvette
- 21:18:51 [wendy]
- sponsoring people to travel?
- 21:18:56 [sh1mmer]
- agreed
- 21:19:38 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 21:19:43 [bengt]
- virgin express ? yvette ?
- 21:19:57 [rscano]
- :D
- 21:20:04 [rscano]
- Green Card for all WCAG member :D
- 21:20:23 [Yvette]
- Yvette to check airfares
- 21:21:12 [wendy]
- fyi: it's important for us to get to europe - there is so much going on there to be plugged into. i'm disappointed we were not able to make it work for july.
- 21:22:10 [Yvette]
- Talking about agenda item 2 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/0302.html)
- 21:23:31 [Yvette]
- "Additional meaning" testable?
- 21:24:41 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 21:25:55 [doyle]
- Yvette, where in Finland are you? Sounds like it's cheaper for you to get from Finland to San Fransisco than for me to get from Alaska to San Fransisco. Our rates out of Alaska are terrible.
- 21:26:02 [Yvette]
- If we did have this rule, you could not have bold text as image because you can't indicate bold in ALT
- 21:26:19 [Yvette]
- Doyle, I'm in the Netherlands
- 21:26:32 [doyle]
- Oh, okay
- 21:27:43 [Yvette]
- Tom: only markup for semantic meaning
- 21:28:15 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html
- 21:28:44 [bcaldwell]
- q+
- 21:28:51 [Yvette]
- other markup should be through stylesheets
- 21:29:29 [Yvette]
- should be able to determine whether text is emphasized, not if it's bold
- 21:29:51 [wendy]
- bold is in xhtml 1.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd
- 21:29:55 [Zakim]
- -??P10
- 21:32:46 [Yvette]
- Sometimes you want to make something bold without having a semantic tag at your disposal
- 21:34:17 [Yvette]
- CSS3 allows content in stylesheets, so can't say anymore that stylesheets should be presentation only
- 21:34:48 [wendy]
- <!ENTITY % fontstyle "tt | i | b | big | small ">
- 21:35:05 [wendy]
- <!ENTITY % inline "a | %special; | %fontstyle; | %phrase; | %inline.forms;">
- 21:35:35 [sh1mmer]
- ack Tom
- 21:35:52 [sh1mmer]
- ack John
- 21:35:57 [sh1mmer]
- ack Jason
- 21:36:02 [Yvette]
- Gregg thought we didn't need the guideline because you violated them. IN this discussion, several counter-examples have been mentioned so guideline is useful
- 21:36:34 [bcaldwell]
- q- (will post to the list)
- 21:37:31 [doyle]
- still here, actually
- 21:38:05 [sh1mmer]
- this one needs awhole darn call ;)
- 21:38:09 [doyle]
- gotta run, too
- 21:38:12 [Yvette]
- yep
- 21:38:16 [wendy]
- yvette - thank you for taking notes!
- 21:38:25 [Yvette]
- no problem
- 21:38:30 [doyle]
- bye all
- 21:38:33 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 21:38:34 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 21:38:34 [bengt]
- bye
- 21:38:35 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 21:38:37 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Barta
- 21:38:38 [Zakim]
- -Avi
- 21:38:38 [nabe]
- good bye
- 21:38:39 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 21:38:40 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:38:40 [Zakim]
- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 21:38:41 [Zakim]
- -Tom_Croucher
- 21:38:43 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 21:38:46 [Zakim]
- -Ben_Caldwell
- 21:38:47 [Zakim]
- -Doyle
- 21:38:48 [sh1mmer]
- we need to make rrs publico
- 21:38:49 [Zakim]
- -Sailesh_Panchang
- 21:38:51 [Zakim]
- -nabe
- 21:38:51 [Yvette]
- Tom, we just have our own Face-to-Face in England ;-)
- 21:38:52 [sh1mmer]
- wendy?
- 21:38:53 [Zakim]
- -Bengt_Farre
- 21:38:55 [Zakim]
- -JasonWhite
- 21:38:57 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 21:38:59 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Tom_Croucher, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano, Sailesh_Panchang, Doyle, Matt, Ben_Caldwell, nabe, Wendy, JasonWhite, John_Slatin,
- 21:39:02 [Zakim]
- ... Mike_Barta, Andi, Becky_Gibson, Avi, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, DavidMcDonald
- 21:39:06 [sh1mmer]
- Yvette yeah we don't need those other people ;)
- 21:39:27 [sh1mmer]
- after finish WCAG on our own we can move onto world peace
- 21:39:38 [nabe]
- nabe has left #wai-wcag
- 21:39:47 [bengt]
- hmm I thought I fixed that already ?
- 21:39:59 [bengt]
- goodnight
- 21:40:20 [Yvette]
- Sounds like a plan :-)
- 21:40:45 [Yvette]
- Hmm, the air fare I mentioned was one way
- 21:41:23 [sh1mmer]
- yeah
- 21:41:28 [sh1mmer]
- i thought that was a bit cheap
- 21:42:10 [Yvette]
- It looks like 1100 euros return
- 21:42:20 [sh1mmer]
- plus hotel
- 21:42:30 [Yvette]
- yes, but I would have had that in Europe too
- 21:42:43 [Yvette]
- so that's not really fair
- 21:43:00 [Yvette]
- although if it's in Amsterdam I could stay with friends
- 21:43:32 [wendyout]
- RRSAgent bye
- 21:43:41 [wendyout]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 21:43:41 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items