IRC log of dawg on 2004-05-11

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+DanC

14:28:40 [Zakim]

+Kevin

14:28:45 [Yoshio]

* what is this buzzing noise?

14:28:49 [DanC_]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:28:49 [Zakim]

On the phone I see SteveH, [UMD], Yoshio, HowardK, AndyS, DanC, Kevin

14:29:04 [DanC_]

Zakim, take up agendum 1

14:29:04 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "convene, take roll, review record, agenda" taken up [from DanC_]

14:29:13 [Zakim]

+ +1.732.384.aaaa

14:29:17 [Zakim]

+Farrukh

14:29:27 [DanC_]

Zakim, aaaa is DaveB

14:29:28 [Zakim]

+DaveB; got it

14:29:30 [ericP]

zakim, please dial ericP-415

14:29:30 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:29:31 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:29:39 [DanC_]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:29:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see SteveH, [UMD], Yoshio, HowardK, AndyS, DanC, Kevin, DaveB, Farrukh, EricP

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+RobS

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+ +358.405.08aabb

14:31:44 [DanC_]

Zakim, mute aabb temporarily

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+358.405.08aabb should now be muted

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+358.405.08aabb should now be unmuted again

14:32:14 [DanC_]

Zakim, aabb is JanneS

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+JanneS; got it

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+Kendall_Clark

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+JosD

14:33:06 [DB-scribe]

!

14:33:09 [DanC_]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:33:09 [Zakim]

On the phone I see SteveH, [UMD], Yoshio, HowardK, AndyS, DanC, Kevin, DaveB, Farrukh, EricP, RobS, JanneS, Kendall_Clark, JosD

14:33:12 [Zakim]

-[UMD]

14:33:19 [Yoshio]

* and the kids

14:33:37 [ericP]

zakim, who's talking?

14:33:37 [DB-scribe]

UMD=danielK or not

14:33:48 [Zakim]

ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (39%), JanneS (61%), Kendall_Clark (4%)

14:33:58 [DanC_]

Zakim, mute JanneS

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JanneS should now be muted

14:34:21 [DB-scribe]

minutes of 7 may approved

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donm tuesday 17 april

14:34:40 [DB-scribe]

ericP to chair

14:34:48 [DB-scribe]

correction: 18 may 2004

14:34:49 [DanC_]

rather, 18 May

14:35:00 [AndyS]

AndyS can't make next week either

14:35:00 [Yoshio]

I'm away attending the WWW2004

14:35:13 [DB-scribe]

avail for 18 howard, rob, k?

14:35:27 [DB-scribe]

nunavail - connolly, ?, beckett, clark?, harris

14:35:43 [AndyS]

not avail : +AndyS

14:35:45 [Yoshio]

Yoshio is not available, either

14:35:55 [Zakim]

+[UMD]

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+BryanT

14:36:23 [DB-scribe]

Zakiam, [UMD] is temporarily eikeon

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heh

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DanC: propose cancel 18 May

14:37:00 [DB-scribe]

decided: donm not decided, 18 May cancelled

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14:37:08 [ericP]

zakim, please mute me

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EricP should now be muted

14:37:21 [DB-scribe]

regrets for me 25 may

14:37:36 [DanC_]

regrets JosD for 25 May

14:37:44 [DanC_]

regrets SteveH for 25May

14:37:44 [DB-scribe]

steveH also travelling 25 May

14:38:15 [DanC_]

Kendall: I become unavailable due to travel 27May; so we should publish 26May

14:38:36 [DB-scribe]

when's the W3C publishing holiday?

14:39:06 [DB-scribe]

DanC: likely to decide to pub on 25 May, if you can't attend, send input by mail

14:39:38 [DanC_]

yes, we're resolved to meet 26May

14:39:40 [DanC_]

25May

14:39:45 [DB-scribe]

decide to meet 2004-05-25

14:40:02 [DB-scribe]

publishing moratorium - staff not avail near w3c AC meeting for pubbing

14:40:21 [kendall]

I can't do some work remotely during 27 to 31 May, but I'll be on holiday, so the less the better.

14:40:29 [DanC_]

ACTION DanC: inform the TAG of the conflict between sec13.9 of the HTTP spec and TAG's recommendation on issue 7

14:40:36 [ericP]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/

14:40:48 [DanC_]

ericp's action done.

14:40:48 [DB-scribe]

EricP action done

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comments on today's agenda

14:41:12 [ericP]

(archive for public feedback on documents)

14:41:15 [DanC_]

Zakim, next agendum

14:41:15 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Requirements: 3.1 Multi-edged Paths" taken up [from DanC_]

14:41:27 [DB-scribe]

added andys's item http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0342.html near item 5

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no JF

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+PatH

14:42:30 [kendall]

1.48 is the latest

14:42:32 [DanC_]

$Id: UseCases.html,v 1.48 2004/05/11 13:24:33 kclark Exp $

14:42:41 [rob_]

is there a way to get access to previous versions of this doc?

14:42:52 [DB-scribe]

now "RDF Graph Pattern Matching"

14:42:53 [kendall]

rob_ via w3c cvs

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3.1

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straw poll on 3.1

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-BryanT

14:43:36 [DanC_]

~9ish

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^-appeals

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not appeals ~ 1

14:44:01 [Zakim]

+BryanT

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-Farrukh

14:44:23 [DanC_]

Zakim, who's talking?

14:44:32 [DB-scribe]

rob_ - much stronger than before

14:44:34 [Zakim]

DanC_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (30%), PatH (4%)

14:44:56 [DanC_]

Zakim, mute AndyS

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AndyS should now be muted

14:45:05 [Zakim]

+Farrukh

14:45:24 [DB-scribe]

rob_: don't like "pattern" language in general

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don't like the implication that a query is a grpah pattern

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.. original requirement was more of a conjunction, multiple triples

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14:46:29 [thompsonbry]

q+ To say that this excludes path language query languages. And might exclude XQuery.

14:46:30 [DB-scribe]

rob_s prefers to see conjunciton of ...

14:46:49 [thompsonbry]

q?

14:47:14 [DanC_]

ack thompsonbry

14:47:14 [Zakim]

thompsonbry, you wanted to say that this excludes path language query languages. And might exclude XQuery.

14:47:30 [Yoshio]

q+ to ask what is the main problem with query in graph

14:47:43 [DB-scribe]

bryan - ... it might exclude ... path langs

14:47:53 [DanC_]

ack Yoshio

14:47:53 [Zakim]

Yoshio, you wanted to ask what is the main problem with query in graph

14:47:55 [AndyS]

q+

14:48:02 [ericP]

q+ to say that the wording does not describe the graph construction mechanism

14:48:05 [kendall]

q+ to ask bryan to clarify re: path languages, xquery

14:48:51 [howardk]

q+ I don't see the problem -- language says "must include capability"; ie not exclusive

14:49:02 [kendall]

+1 howardk

14:49:20 [howardk]

q+ language says "must include capability", ie not an exclusive requirement

14:49:29 [kendall]

we have a queue :>

14:49:32 [DB-scribe]

rob - patterns are both vague and [too?] powerful

14:49:36 [thompsonbry]

q?

14:49:55 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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AndyS should no longer be muted

14:49:58 [kendall]

yes, "triple" always means RDF triple in the UC&R

14:50:04 [DanC_]

ack andy

14:50:07 [DanC_]

q+ howard

14:50:16 [patH]

q+

14:50:20 [howardk]

q+ note that req is not exclusive -- "must include capability to ..."

14:50:50 [DanC_]

ack ericp

14:50:50 [Zakim]

ericP, you wanted to say that the wording does not describe the graph construction mechanism

14:51:11 [DB-scribe]

AndyS: a triple pattern can have variables in it, a triple can't

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(an rdf triple)

14:51:24 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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AndyS should now be muted

14:51:34 [DanC_]

ack kendall

14:51:34 [Zakim]

kendall, you wanted to ask bryan to clarify re: path languages, xquery

14:51:56 [DB-scribe]

EricP; 3.1 wording doesn't exclude mechanism, is not an exclusive

14:52:02 [DanC_]

ack howard

14:52:07 [DB-scribe]

kendall - the wording does not exclude path languages also

14:52:45 [DB-scribe]

robs: on path languages, looking at surveys, they are more towards the xml datat model than rdf..

14:52:55 [DB-scribe]

(kendall, don't believe that - there are rdf ones)

14:52:57 [rob_]

that's not me

14:53:08 [kendall]

they try to map xpath syntax on rdf data model, IMO.

14:53:31 [DanC_]

ack path

14:53:33 [kendall]

q?

14:53:35 [DB-scribe]

above was Bryan talking (path langs)

14:53:58 [thompsonbry]

I *still* support the requirement.

14:54:12 [DB-scribe]

rob: support the intent, but don't think it's that clear

14:54:33 [Yoshio]

* patterns like xpath and RDF graph with variables, are they similar?

14:54:34 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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AndyS should no longer be muted

14:54:35 [DanC_]

PROPOSED: to adopt 3.1 RDF Graph Pattern Matching as in 1.48

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Vote

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abstentions: rob

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resolved, adopt 3.1 as a requirement

14:55:22 [DanC_]

Zakim, next agendum

14:55:22 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Requirement 3.2 Variable Binding Results" taken up [from DanC_]

14:55:48 [thompsonbry]

Can Andy take an action to draft a definition of "graph pattern"?

14:56:09 [DanC_]

summary of OWL-QL experiences http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0245.html

14:56:24 [AndyS]

OK - can do.

14:56:27 [DB-scribe]

PatH discusses 0245

14:56:33 [kendall]

fwiw, graph pattern is in my straw, ad hoc glossary to be -- so i'd appreciate that action.

14:56:41 [kendall]

DanC_: thank you!

14:57:09 [DB-scribe]

things dql users wanted

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- the form of the answer

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a pattern, which might be a different from the query pattern; answer pattern was unrestricted

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the query sender had total control over the asnwer format

14:57:52 [DanC_]

(db, you can just say: PatH summarizes his message 0245)

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but we invented a default to make things easy

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yeah

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2) may bind & must bind

14:58:44 [AndyS]

q+ to ask about may-bind and optional triples : the same intent?

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(don't take much notice of the 0245 syntax, there are better forms)

14:59:19 [DanC_]

(I gather may bind is different from optional triples)

14:59:43 [DB-scribe]

suppose q is: ?x type Person

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and data is (blank) type Person

14:59:57 [thompsonbry]

Someone is typing without being muted.

14:59:58 [rob_]

I used to object to this "variable" requirement, but while I'm still skeptical that it should be characterized as a requirement, I think it's the most sensible solution so I'll support it.

15:00:02 [DanC_]

hmm... interesting term: "answerer"; might be better than "server"

15:00:18 [DB-scribe]

must bind, you get no response for above, may bind you do

15:00:22 [Yoshio]

1+ to may bind, it should be up to query sender

15:00:54 [rob_]

let's please not add "may bind" to the list of candidate reqs...

15:01:01 [rob_]

...at best it's a nice-to-have

15:01:15 [DB-scribe]

PatH and 3) how many answers

15:02:22 [DanC_]

Zakim, unmute Farrukh

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15:03:02 [DanC_]

ack andy

15:03:02 [Zakim]

AndyS, you wanted to ask about may-bind and optional triples : the same intent?

15:03:06 [DB-scribe]

telcon info - dial 61# mute, 60# unmute

15:03:32 [DanC_]

and 41# for q+, 40# for q-

15:04:07 [thompsonbry]

Is there a use case in the current document that reflects the needs of the users that pat is describing?

15:04:22 [kendall]

that's a v. complex question :>

15:04:44 [DanC_]

best way to get it answered is to publish our use cases doc.

15:05:19 [DB-scribe]

may-bind are allowed to bind to names

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all bindings are ground bindings - uri or literal, not blanks

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must-bind are compelled to provide uri or literal

15:06:52 [JosD]

q

15:06:57 [Yoshio]

q+ to ask if it isn't up to query sender

15:06:58 [DanC_]

ack danc

15:06:58 [Zakim]

DanC_, you wanted to ask who the users/reviewers/commenters were

15:07:21 [JosD]

q+

15:07:35 [DB-scribe]

audience/users were DAML PI

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and daml meeting attendees

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loooking at 3.2

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PatH - wonde rabout the last

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sentence; generally ok

15:10:28 [AndyS]

I'd be happy with or without the last sentence

15:10:29 [thompsonbry]

q+ to ask about the scope of the effort and pat's feedback.

15:10:56 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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q+

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PatH - small point, might be possible to satisfy with no bindings

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like a binding of 0 variables implying yes, else no

15:11:31 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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AndyS should now be muted

15:11:38 [DB-scribe]

straw poll on 3.2

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q-

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not straw poll

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striking 3rd sentence

15:12:02 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:12:17 [rob_]

can't understand

15:12:47 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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15:13:13 [AndyS]

+1 to PatH

15:13:20 [Yoshio]

1+

15:13:29 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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zakim, mute AndyS

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AndyS should now be muted

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zakim, unmute AndyS

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discussion of 3.2 and wordinjg

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need to define a binding

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and comapre with a tuple of values

15:15:08 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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15:15:52 [DB-scribe]

kendall - cannot do a glossary before pubbing this doc version

15:16:14 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:17:22 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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15:19:08 [DB-scribe]

rob - sentence 2 start "Each binding set is one way..."

15:19:15 [DanC_]

RobS: "It must be possible for queries to return zero or more bindings of variables. Each binding set is one way that the query can be satisfied by the queried graph."

15:19:15 [AndyS]

+1 to to rob_ wording

15:19:23 [SteveH]

+1 to rob_

15:19:45 [AndyS]

+1 to last sentence out.

15:19:51 [eikeon]

+1

15:19:56 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:20:08 [Yoshio]

q-

15:20:08 [DanC_]

RobS: "It must be possible for queries to return zero or more bindings of variables. Each set of bindings is one way that the query can be satisfied by the queried graph."

15:20:10 [DB-scribe]

"Set of bindings"

15:20:30 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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15:20:36 [JosD]

q-

15:20:43 [DanC_]

PROPOSED: "It must be possible for queries to return zero or more bindings of variables. Each set of bindings is one way that the query can be satisfied by the queried graph."

15:21:56 [ericP]

i think that we'll have to finish wordsmithing this when we clarify our vocabulary in general

15:22:10 [kendall]

+1 ericp

15:22:23 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:22:29 [DB-scribe]

objectsion to above proposal?

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none

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abstrain: josD

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^abstain

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against: none

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resolved above is a requirement

15:23:22 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:24:09 [DB-scribe]

AndyS on xsd datatypes

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editing 3.7

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AndyS - 3.7 as of now, is close enought

15:24:57 [AndyS]

zakim, mute AndyS

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15:25:07 [DB-scribe]

proposal to adopt 3.7 as written in 1.4.8?

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1.48?

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object - none

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abstain - none

15:25:15 [ericP]

sweet!

15:25:16 [DB-scribe]

against - none

15:25:19 [Yoshio]

query language language?

15:25:19 [kendall]

nice

15:25:20 [rob_]

I can hardly call the background noise on this call "silence"

15:25:21 [DB-scribe]

resolved, adopt 3.7 as reuquirement

15:25:24 [DanC_]

Zakim, next agendum

15:25:24 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Requirement 3.4 Subgraph Results" taken up [from DanC_]

15:25:29 [DanC_]

Zakim, next agendum

15:25:29 [Zakim]

agendum 4 was just opened, DanC_

15:25:33 [DanC_]

Zakim, close agendum 4

15:25:33 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

15:25:34 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:25:35 [Zakim]

5. Use Cases Draft [from DanC_]

15:25:46 [DB-scribe]

"3.7 Limited Datatype Support

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we adopted "3.7 Limited datatype support - The query language language must include support for a subset of XSD datatypes and operations on those datatypes."

15:26:12 [DanC_]

. ACTION: RobS to generate some RDF for the use cases

15:26:17 [DB-scribe]

done in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0362.html

15:26:23 [DanC_]

aha... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004AprJun/0362.html

15:26:59 [DB-scribe]

kendall - would expect to see rdf & graphs on each of the UCs or not at all

15:27:02 [ericP]

q+ to say "why just these two"

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15:27:31 [Yoshio]

q+ to ask the point of introducing Spanish language in 2.3

15:27:39 [thompsonbry]

q- thompsonbry

15:28:14 [howardk]

+1

15:28:41 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

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15:29:40 [ericP]

ack ericP

15:29:41 [Zakim]

ericP, you wanted to say "why just these two"

15:30:35 [DanC_]

(would each person please speak for himself/herself? "we did XYZ" puts words in people's mouths and prompts them to revisit history)

15:32:06 [ericP]

ack Yoshio

15:32:06 [Zakim]

Yoshio, you wanted to ask the point of introducing Spanish language in 2.3

15:32:06 [DanC_]

ack yoshio

15:33:41 [DB-scribe]

language tags mentioned, but not used in the user case

15:33:56 [DB-scribe]

suggestion it would be better in a separate UC, with discussion of use of such tags

15:34:09 [DB-scribe]

rdf or not in UC discussion

15:34:28 [DanC_]

Rob's action continues.

15:35:40 [DanC_]

. ACTION: Kendall and Alberto to work on section 5.1.3 of this document

15:36:00 [DanC_]

WITHDRAWN.

15:36:06 [DB-scribe]

? there is no 5.1.3

15:36:14 [DanC_]

Zakim, next agendum

15:36:14 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Use Cases Draft" taken up [from DanC_]

15:36:40 [DanC_]

ACTION DaveB: write up this educational metadata UC (continues)

15:37:23 [DanC_]

DONE: ACTION Yoshio: to write up "Kate finds an article and wants to find related programs..."

15:37:48 [DanC_]

. Browsing Example - tell me about X, ACTION Steve Harris

15:37:52 [Yoshio]

2.4 is it, I think

15:38:02 [DanC_]

ACTION Browsing Example - tell me about X, ACTION Steve Harris continues

15:38:34 [DanC_]

Bandwidth Efficiency - bytesize of resultset, ACTION SteveH DONE. Kendall thinks he incorporated it.

15:38:36 [DB-scribe]

steve, kendall suggest this is in the doc

15:38:52 [DanC_]

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JanneS should no longer be muted

15:39:25 [DanC_]

ACTION SteveH: to draft and maintain a list of test sketch cases, including x < y, x < 18. (continues)

15:39:50 [AndyS]

zakim, unmute AndyS

15:39:50 [Zakim]

AndyS should no longer be muted

15:39:51 [DB-scribe]

considering next meeting date

15:40:04 [AndyS]

who can make next Monday?

15:40:31 [DB-scribe]

AndyS, BryanT

15:40:43 [DB-scribe]

DanielK

15:40:52 [DB-scribe]

- willing to review by date

15:40:55 [DB-scribe]

25 May

15:41:31 [Zakim]

-JanneS

15:41:45 [DB-scribe]

kendall, work to do - going through UC, checking with reqs

15:42:07 [DB-scribe]

... another week, or friday this week

15:42:23 [thompsonbry]

q+ To ask DanC if we could just vote this revision for publishing before the conference?

15:42:28 [DB-scribe]

asks for any help in linking UCs to reqs

15:42:40 [DanC_]

ack thompsonbry

15:42:40 [Zakim]

thompsonbry, you wanted to ask DanC if we could just vote this revision for publishing before the conference?

15:43:07 [Yoshio]

*which conference?

15:43:14 [AndyS]

WWW2004

15:44:09 [DB-scribe]

straw poll on releasing asap

15:44:35 [Yoshio]

1-

15:45:48 [ericP]

publishing moritorium data from http://www.w3.org/Press/Plan/:

15:45:48 [ericP]

publishing request deadline: 11May

15:45:48 [ericP]

publishing moritorium start: 12May

15:45:48 [ericP]

publishing moritorium end: 21May

15:47:27 [thompsonbry]

Can review and release today? (Rob & Howard).

15:48:06 [howardk]

prefer to wait til Friday's cut-off

15:48:24 [thompsonbry]

then we publish after the conference. ok.

15:48:43 [howardk]

can't publish in time anyway because of moritorium

15:49:05 [DB-scribe]

input welcome till friday

15:49:13 [DB-scribe]

kendall to email friday state of doc

15:49:22 [DB-scribe]

and after that only changes that are clear mistakes

15:49:32 [DB-scribe]

reviewers andy, daniel, ? to attend 25 May telcon and report

15:49:52 [AndyS]

suggest: in published version, there is a list of what reqs are accepted by the WG

15:49:53 [DB-scribe]

kendall may add UC<>requirement links by or before friday

15:50:11 [thompsonbry]

q-

15:50:25 [DanC_]

ack danc

15:50:25 [Zakim]

DanC_, you wanted to ask that kendall make it clear which requirements have been agreed.

15:50:26 [DB-scribe]

2004-05-25 to decide to pub - attend or send email vote

15:50:46 [thompsonbry]

q+ to comment on kendell's question.

15:51:29 [thompsonbry]

q-

15:51:44 [DB-scribe]

changing sec 3 title to Requirements, adding (candidate) or some marker to unapproved ones instead

15:51:50 [DB-scribe]

general support for that

15:51:59 [DB-scribe]

donm 2004-05-18

15:52:03 [thompsonbry]

bye

15:52:05 [Zakim]

-RobS

15:52:05 [Zakim]

-JosD

15:52:05 [DB-scribe]

-- adjourned ---

15:52:06 [Zakim]

-[UMD]

15:52:06 [Zakim]

-DanC

15:52:07 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:52:07 [howardk]

bye

15:52:08 [Zakim]

-Kevin

15:52:09 [Zakim]

-HowardK

15:52:10 [howardk]

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15:52:11 [Zakim]

-Farrukh

15:52:14 [AndyS]

donm is 05-25 surely

15:52:17 [Zakim]

-Yoshio

15:52:18 [Yoshio]

God night :)

15:52:20 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:52:24 [Zakim]

-BryanT

15:52:27 [DB-scribe]

no, ericP chairing 05-18

15:52:51 [AndyS]

I thought no one would be there!

15:53:07 [AndyS]

Oh well - its in the record

15:53:10 [DanC_]

we're resolved to cancel 18 May and meet next 25 May.

15:53:13 [DB-scribe]

rechecking, yes cancelled

15:53:36 [DB-scribe]

Zakim, pointer?

15:53:36 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, DB-scribe.

15:53:38 [DB-scribe]

heh

15:53:43 [DanC_]

RRSAgent, pointer?

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2004/05/11-dawg-irc#T15-53-43

15:53:51 [DanC_]

RRSAgent, make logs public

15:53:55 [DanC_]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:54:29 [Zakim]

-DaveB

15:55:37 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:57:12 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:57:13 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

15:57:14 [Zakim]

Attendees were [UMD], SteveH, Yoshio, HowardK, AndyS, DanC, Kevin, +1.732.384.aaaa, Farrukh, DaveB, EricP, RobS, +358.405.08aabb, JanneS, Kendall_Clark, JosD, BryanT, PatH

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