IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-04-21

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13:56:22 [RRSAgent]

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13:56:36 [sh1m]

Zakim, list conferences

13:56:38 [Zakim]

I see MM_MMI(ink)9:00AM active

13:56:38 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are I18N_GEO()9:00AM, WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, DI_DIWG()10:00AM, HTML_WG()10:00AM, SVG_WG()10:00AM

13:56:50 [sh1m]

Zakim, this is WAI_WCAG

13:56:50 [Zakim]

sh1m, I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be WAI_WCAG".

13:56:58 [sh1m]

Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

13:56:58 [Zakim]

ok, sh1m; I see WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

13:59:09 [Zakim]

WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started

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+ +1.512.306.aaaa

13:59:33 [Zakim]

+Dave_MacDonald

14:00:21 [Zakim]

+Chris_Ridpath

14:00:41 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

14:00:50 [ChrisR]

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14:02:34 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:03:22 [bcaldwell]

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14:03:33 [MichaelC]

I'm gonna dial in a bit late - can somebody get the ball rolling?

14:03:37 [Zakim]

+??P11

14:03:37 [MichaelC]

Gateway techniques!

14:03:44 [bcaldwell]

zakim, ??P11 is Ben

14:03:44 [Zakim]

+Ben; got it

14:04:00 [bcaldwell]

zakim, who is here?

14:04:00 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.512.306.aaaa, Dave_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, [Microsoft], ??P12, Ben

14:04:02 [Zakim]

On IRC I see bcaldwell, JimT, ChrisR, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, sh1m, sh1mmer

14:04:26 [sh1m]

Zakim, +1.512.306.aaaa is Jim_Thatcher

14:04:29 [Zakim]

+Jim_Thatcher; got it

14:04:29 [bcaldwell]

zakim, [Microsoft] is Jenae

14:04:35 [Zakim]

+Jenae; got it

14:04:52 [bcaldwell]

zakim, I am Ben

14:04:55 [sh1m]

Zakim, ??P12 is Tom

14:04:57 [Zakim]

ok, bcaldwell, I now associate you with Ben

14:05:03 [Zakim]

+Tom; got it

14:06:09 [Zakim]

+Wendy

14:06:39 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

14:06:40 [wendy]

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14:09:34 [JimT]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/att-0054/gateway-outline.htm

14:12:37 [Zakim]

+Michael_Cooper

14:13:46 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:14:04 [wendy]

zakim, ??P5 is Lisa_Seeman

14:14:04 [Zakim]

+Lisa_Seeman; got it

14:21:50 [wendy]

action: tom send jenae's proposed work plan to the mailing list to attract volunteers to go through the process

14:22:18 [wendy]

volunteers

14:22:30 [wendy]

jenae has volunteered for 1.1

14:22:34 [wendy]

david 1.4

14:24:02 [wendy]

david 1.5

14:24:39 [wendy]

lisa 1.3

14:26:51 [wendy]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-GATEWAY-20040420.html

14:37:53 [wendy]

do we want to organize by success criteria?

14:41:20 [wendy]

concerns: repetition of guideline information

14:41:47 [wendy]

concern: success criteria appearing in different techniques (reader has to pull ideas togehter)

14:41:49 [sh1m]

Zakim, I am Tom

14:41:49 [Zakim]

ok, sh1m, I now associate you with Tom

14:41:59 [wendy]

concern: multiple tasks for each success criterion?

14:42:37 [wendy]

concern: if structured by success criteria lose focus on guideline

14:43:04 [wendy]

what about a mapping? "here's what you do to fulfill the goal"

14:45:06 [wendy]

multiple links for each success criteria?

14:45:14 [wendy]

link from guidelines/success criteria to checklist?

14:46:04 [wendy]

do people go through gateway to get to technology-specifics or can they get to the tech-specifics directly

14:46:57 [MichaelC]

zakim, mute Michael_Cooper

14:46:57 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper should now be muted

14:47:58 [wendy]

in wcag 1.0, these functions are separated in 2 docs: core and techniques for wcag 1.0

14:48:12 [wendy]

when working on wcag 2.0, we made conscious effort to combine them into gateway.

14:49:17 [wendy]

if success criteria have more than one technique, should be gathered together, but perhaps not in the primary view.

14:50:36 [MichaelC]

zakim, unmute Michael_Cooper

14:50:36 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted

14:50:43 [MichaelC]

zakim, I am Michael_Cooper

14:50:43 [Zakim]

ok, MichaelC, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper

14:56:26 [sh1m]

q+

14:56:37 [wendy]

ack Tom

14:57:02 [wendy]

desire to involve a designer. discussion about when. after have better mock-up or sooner?

14:59:54 [wendy]

action: wendy will talk with shawn and matt as first step (since involved in WAI site redesign) about design and designers

15:00:07 [wendy]

checklists? where is our work on that

15:00:42 [wendy]

open issues about checklists: normative or not?

15:00:58 [wendy]

after each heading, there is "this technique satisfies guideline..."

15:01:04 [wendy]

what is a task?

15:03:23 [wendy]

history of diff between checklist items (T/F or Yes/No) vs task

15:05:05 [bcaldwell]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/05/02-tech-doc.html

15:06:59 [wendy]

each technique has several pieces (via the dtd) - many of these are optional: short name, task, examples, references, code, screen shots, audio clips

15:07:15 [wendy]

currently it says, "this techniques satisfies guidelines..." but there is only one guideline listed.

15:09:29 [wendy]

currently, success criteria info not revealed (even if associated in the xml).

15:10:29 [MichaelC]

action: Michael: associate HTML techniques with WCAG 2.0 success criteria

15:15:16 [MichaelC]

zakim, mute me

15:15:16 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper should now be muted

15:15:59 [wendy]

where we have questions, take to thursday call. can help group make decisions about splitting or grouping guidelines (i.e., visual and auditory contrast are currently 2 guidelines, but some discussion about recombining)

15:16:45 [MichaelC]

zakim, unmute me

15:16:45 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted

15:19:16 [wendy]

could have "index" by success criteria in technology-specifics, a.k.a. the checklist.

15:23:15 [wendy]

copy & paste guide w/success criteria

15:23:20 [wendy]

copy and paste everything from gateway

15:23:27 [wendy]

then html techniques copy and paste everything from there.

15:23:46 [wendy]

copy entire sections

15:23:50 [wendy]

will print, look at

15:23:56 [wendy]

determine overlap and what's missing

15:24:24 [wendy]

don't grab benefits or examples, just success criteria

15:25:44 [wendy]

but, yes, please do!

15:25:55 [wendy]

want to see exmaples that flow from guidelines through gateway and html techniques

15:27:18 [wendy]

david, jenae will have end-to-end summaries for next week's call

15:27:28 [wendy]

anyone else - please finish summary by monday!

15:28:17 [wendy]

if you have volunteered and wish to, pls contact tom and/or wendy (we'll put your name in the plan)

15:28:32 [wendy]

action: ben and tom coord about bugzilla issues management

15:30:32 [Zakim]

-Lisa_Seeman

15:30:34 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

15:30:52 [wendy]

next week: end-to-end summaries, gateway techs, html (if time)

15:31:01 [ChrisR]

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15:32:55 [Zakim]

-Tom

15:32:56 [Zakim]

-Jim_Thatcher

15:32:57 [Zakim]

-Wendy

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Jenae

15:32:59 [Zakim]

-Ben

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-Chris_Ridpath

15:38:00 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, Dave_MacDonald, in WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM

15:38:03 [Zakim]

WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

15:38:04 [Zakim]

Attendees were Dave_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, Ben, Jim_Thatcher, Jenae, Tom, Wendy, Tim_Boland, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman

15:40:07 [michaelout]

rrsagent, make logs world-visible

15:40:12 [michaelout]

rrsagent, bye

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items:

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: tom send jenae's proposed work plan to the mailing list to attract volunteers to go through the process [1]

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T14-21-50

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: wendy will talk with shawn and matt as first step (since involved in WAI site redesign) about design and designers [2]

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T14-59-54

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Michael: associate HTML techniques with WCAG 2.0 success criteria [3]

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T15-10-29

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ben and tom coord about bugzilla issues management [4]

15:40:12 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/04/21-wai-wcag-irc#T15-28-32