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21:01:52 <Zakim> +Greg_Pisocky
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21:02:44 <MattSEA> zakim, ??P7 is Jan_Richards
21:02:44 <Zakim> +Jan_Richards; got it
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21:13:38 <MattSEA> jr: I have suggested that we organize the techniques in order of success criteria.
21:17:41 <MattSEA> Working on criteria for GL 4.
21:19:09 <MattSEA> For example, in 4.4.1 etc., I split it into 4 categories of functionality (prompting, checking, repair, docs), and 4 categories of tool (code-level, wysiwyg, object-oriented, and indirect)
21:19:31 <MattSEA> Plus four categories of similarity. So a matrix of 64 items.
21:21:28 <MattSEA> We could show 1 comparable function, 1 good example, and 1 not to do, and repeat it for each type.
21:22:32 <MattSEA> mm: would suggest making one document for each type of tool.
21:24:43 <MattSEA> jr: We could simplify this by choosing a subset of these (prompting in a code-level tool) and get an example that shows similarity and get screenshots that show several items.
21:28:06 <MattSEA> Each of these types of division has its weakness. For example, checking vs. repair. Hard to tease out.
21:30:24 <MattSEA> gp: In each system, you have to provide checking at code or wysiwyg level, etc. And instead of anticipating all possible outcomes, argue by example. At code-level, checking means this, etc.
21:32:30 <MattSEA> jr: We need to define when we consider something integrated.
21:33:15 <MattSEA> gp: Four levels of similarity to comparable functions...
21:34:01 <MattSEA> jr: I'm now thinking we have one section broken out into the four types of tools.
21:34:13 <MattSEA> And explain how two things might be similar.
21:35:04 <MattSEA> gp: I can see that.
21:36:37 <MattSEA> jr: Documentation, I think, shoudl be similar across the four.
21:42:26 <MattSEA> We should suggest the document remove the documentation from the guides. 
21:43:09 <MattSEA> or, have techniques for each, prompting, checking, etc.
21:45:27 <MattSEA> we have this term prominence.
21:46:07 <MattSEA> gp: What's an example of an implementation that doesn't meet WCAG?
21:46:37 <MattSEA> jr: Bold using <font> rather than style or semantics.
21:53:11 <MattSEA> 4.3, first couple criteria are clear-cut.
21:56:38 <MattSEA> jr: Geoff Deering's comments. He seems to acknowledge that things are ok.
21:57:16 <MattSEA> mm: I would say that we need to make one change to G 1 to say Web based interfaces conform to WCAG, not ISO 16071.
21:58:02 <MattSEA> jr: He had an issue with WCAG's conformance levels re JavaScript, but that should be taken up with WCAG.
21:58:36 <MattSEA> jr: Next f2f? A little early to discuss. The dates will be in mid-July.
21:58:46 <MattSEA> mm: Next meeting after that?
21:58:54 <MattSEA> jr: Maybe in September?
22:01:04 <MattSEA> jr: Schedule: go back to every other Monday?
22:01:22 <MattSEA> mm: ok.
22:01:48 <Zakim> -Matt
22:01:49 <Zakim> -Greg_Pisocky
22:01:49 <Zakim> -Jan_Richards
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22:01:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt, Greg_Pisocky, Jan_Richards
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