IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-25

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15:05:29 [wendy]
zakim, this is WCAG
15:05:29 [Zakim]
wendy, this was already WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
15:05:30 [Zakim]
ok, wendy; that matches WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
15:05:34 [Zakim]
+Wendy
15:05:43 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], ??P8, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, ??P12, Wendy
15:05:56 [wendy]
zakim, ??P12 might be Lisa_Seeman
15:05:57 [Zakim]
I don't understand '??P12 might be Lisa_Seeman', wendy
15:06:22 [wendy]
zakim, ??P8 may be David_MacDonald
15:06:22 [Zakim]
+David_MacDonald?; got it
15:06:27 [MichaelC]
Ok Matt
15:07:02 [wendy]
agenda+ test matrix
15:07:09 [wendy]
agenda+ wcag 1.0 errata
15:07:14 [wendy]
agenda+ t.p. agenda
15:07:40 [wendy]
take up item 1
15:09:18 [wendy]
it's a table that lists all the diff platforms, technologies. use it to prioritize what we commit to test or gather information.
15:09:47 [wendy]
a way to communicate to everyone that we can't pick a few technologies but that we also can't test everything.
15:10:56 [wendy]
2 open issues: list of technologies, how we define (and assign) priorities
15:11:13 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:11:13 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), ??P12, Wendy
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15:12:12 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:12:12 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), ??P12, Wendy
15:12:44 [wendy]
[10:09] <wendy> it's a table that lists all the diff platforms, technologies. use it to prioritize what we commit to test or gather information.
15:12:44 [wendy]
[10:09] <wendy> a way to communicate to everyone that we can't pick a few technologies but that we also can't test everything.
15:12:44 [wendy]
[10:10] <wendy> 2 open issues: list of technologies, how we define (and assign) priorities
15:13:27 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P12 is Lisa_Seeman
15:13:27 [Zakim]
+Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:14:28 [wendy]
QA documents don't talk about doing this. This is based on basic testing knowledge.
15:14:50 [wendy]
action jenae: share info about test matrix witholivier
15:15:54 [wendy]
at f2f, talk about test matrix, discuss priorities
15:18:25 [Zakim]
+David_D
15:18:57 [wendy]
propose p1: onus on us to test or gather info (must test), p2 should gather info (but probably won't) p3 would be great but won't.
15:19:30 [wendy]
who is or is not qualified to provide the info?
15:19:59 [wendy]
get the vendors involved in the testing. if we open up to anyone, do we verify results?
15:21:09 [wendy]
euroaccessibility defining a methodology for verifying test cases.
15:21:47 [wendy]
EARL has provisions for that - say who makes the assertion (as well as confidence)
15:23:12 [wendy]
perhaps p1 implies that either we test it or gather 3 test results that agree (i.e., from 3 compatiblity matrices or 3 testers)
15:26:59 [wendy]
how address multiple scenarios. an issue of test cases.
15:27:55 [wendy]
open issue: granularity of test suite. how address multiple scenarios. (question from lisa seeman)
15:29:18 [wendy]
action lisa: send email summarizing issue of granularity of test cases and how to address multiple scenarios.
15:32:52 [Zakim]
+??P25
15:33:20 [sh1mmer]
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15:33:33 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:33:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), Lisa_Seeman, Wendy, David_D, ??P25
15:33:42 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, ??P25 is Tom
15:33:42 [Zakim]
+Tom; got it
15:33:46 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, I am Tom
15:33:46 [Zakim]
ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
15:34:49 [wendy]
techs should give guidance to which techniques to adopt - browser and asst tech support, "future"
15:37:01 [sh1mmer]
q+
15:37:37 [wendy]
action jenae: look for advice from QA documents about gathering test data.
15:38:08 [wendy]
ack Microsoft
15:38:14 [wendy]
ack [Microsoft]
15:39:16 [wendy]
open issue: weighting techniques? currently provide some info (future, optional, etc.). will we use user agent support info to influence these labels?
15:39:49 [wendy]
in other words, recommend one technique over another based on user agent support.
15:40:30 [wendy]
shouldn't we be recommending one technique over another?
15:41:07 [wendy]
some techs that are currently listed as future, b/c of user agent support. not best way to go.
15:44:30 [Zakim]
-David_D
15:45:23 [Zakim]
+David_D
15:46:03 [wendy]
take up item 2
15:46:42 [wendy]
most authors won't want to wade through info themselves. will want "do this or that"
15:49:18 [wendy]
at f2f discuss test matrix. discuss priorities. apply priorities to matrix.
15:50:01 [wendy]
Test cases for WCAG 1.0 Errata and WCAG 2.0 HTML Techniques
15:50:06 [wendy]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/att-0365/testcases.html
15:50:25 [sh1mmer]
-q
15:50:26 [wendy]
ack Tom
15:50:38 [wendy]
ack David
15:53:13 [Zakim]
-Tim_Boland
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two possible next steps: begin gathering data or propose new tests
16:08:49 [wendy]
chris was going to send tests for until user agent issues
16:09:18 [wendy]
action: chris take table, add column for his tests, fill in
16:09:52 [wendy]
have to group by next monday
16:10:05 [wendy]
part of f2f agenda: go through this issue
16:11:27 [wendy]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wcag20.html#techniques-tests
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/tests/UA-support.html
16:21:47 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
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-Tom
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-Wendy
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-[Microsoft]
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-Ben
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-Chris_Ridpath
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-David_MacDonald?
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-David_D
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-Don_Evans
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16:35:00 [Zakim]
disconnecting the lone participant, Lisa_Seeman, in WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
16:35:04 [Zakim]
Attendees were [Microsoft], Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Wendy, David_MacDonald?, Lisa_Seeman, David_D, Tom
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16:37:13 [wendy]
zakim, bye
16:37:15 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 4 open action items:
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ACTION: jenae to share info about test matrix witholivier [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-14-50
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ACTION: lisa to send email summarizing issue of granularity of test cases and how to address multiple scenarios. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-29-18
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ACTION: jenae to look for advice from QA documents about gathering test data. [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-37-37
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ACTION: chris take table, add column for his tests, fill in [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-09-18
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