IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-05
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- 20:56:18 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
- 20:56:21 [doyle]
- hello from the frozen north!!! :@)
- 20:56:26 [Yvette]
- Where?
- 20:56:29 [rcastaldo]
- Happy Birthday to Roberto Scano!!! :-D
- 20:56:33 [rscano]
- ssshhh!
- 20:56:33 [wendy]
- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 20:56:33 [Zakim]
- ok, wendy; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
- 20:56:33 [rscano]
- :D
- 20:56:34 [doyle]
- Anchorage, Alaska
- 20:56:34 [Yvette]
- hip hip
- 20:56:37 [Yvette]
- huraaaah
- 20:56:43 [rcastaldo]
- :-)
- 20:56:47 [Yvette]
- Doesn't get much colder than that, I guess
- 20:57:04 [rscano]
- Alaska? auch!
- 20:57:05 [Yvette]
- Here it's already spring, all the flowers are out of sync
- 20:57:06 [doyle]
- Actually, it's warmed up quite a bit
- 20:57:14 [Yvette]
- We have crocus flowers already
- 20:57:22 [doyle]
- Yvette - I am envious!!!
- 20:57:29 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
- 20:57:31 [rscano]
- wow
- 20:57:34 [Yvette]
- It's 15 degrees Centigrade
- 20:57:36 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 20:57:41 [rscano]
- who opened the call?
- 20:58:02 [rcastaldo]
- Maybe it's me!!!
- 20:58:11 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 20:58:17 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, ??P1 is Tom
- 20:58:17 [Zakim]
- +Tom; got it
- 20:58:18 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:58:19 [rscano]
- zakim, +P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:58:19 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '+P0'
- 20:58:22 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, I am Tom
- 20:58:22 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
- 20:58:35 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:58:35 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
- 20:58:43 [Zakim]
- +Ray_Whitmer
- 20:58:47 [rellero]
- this evening I'm trying a new configuration of dialpad
- 20:59:13 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 20:59:20 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
- 20:59:20 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 21:00:16 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:00:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Ray_Whitmer, Roberto_Scano
- 21:00:36 [doyle]
- Wendy I am on the phone, too
- 21:00:53 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 21:01:06 [wendy]
- zakim, Ray is Doyle
- 21:01:06 [Zakim]
- +Doyle; got it
- 21:01:08 [rellero]
- new configuration, suggested by dialpad, is no good :(
- 21:01:29 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 21:01:52 [Zakim]
- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:01:56 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 21:02:06 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 21:02:17 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P6 Gregg
- 21:02:17 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P6 Gregg', wendy
- 21:02:17 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:02:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
- 21:02:21 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 21:02:22 [ben]
- ben has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:02:24 [Zakim]
- +JasonWhite
- 21:02:27 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P6 is Gregg
- 21:02:27 [Zakim]
- +Gregg; got it
- 21:02:28 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P6 is Gregg
- 21:02:28 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P6 as Gregg, Yvette
- 21:02:39 [rscano]
- P6 i think is Ellero
- 21:02:41 [Zakim]
- +Avi_Arditti
- 21:02:43 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P9 may be Kerstin
- 21:02:43 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin?; got it
- 21:02:44 [ben]
- zakim, Gregg is Gregg_and_Ben
- 21:02:44 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
- 21:02:45 [rellero]
- yes
- 21:02:48 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:02:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Doyle, Roberto_Scano, Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8, Kerstin?, JasonWhite,
- 21:02:51 [Zakim]
- ... Avi_Arditti
- 21:02:59 [Zakim]
- +Matt
- 21:03:08 [wendy]
- zakim, who's muted?
- 21:03:08 [Zakim]
- I see Tom muted
- 21:03:14 [Yvette]
- zakim, who makes noise?
- 21:03:14 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Yvette.
- 21:03:15 [MattSEA]
- MattSEA has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:03:15 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P6 is rellero
- 21:03:15 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
- 21:03:17 [rscano]
- zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
- 21:03:17 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 21:03:20 [MattSEA]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:03:21 [rscano]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:03:21 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 21:03:31 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:03:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8, Kerstin?,
- 21:03:34 [Zakim]
- ... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Matt
- 21:03:35 [Zakim]
- MattSEA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yvette_Hoitink (26%), Avi_Arditti (14%), Wendy (37%), JasonWhite (7%)
- 21:03:36 [rellero]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Ellero
- 21:03:36 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'Roberto_Ellero'
- 21:03:43 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:03:43 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:03:54 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:03:54 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8,
- 21:03:54 [Yvette]
- I'll dial in again then
- 21:03:57 [Zakim]
- ... Kerstin?, JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Matt
- 21:04:01 [MattSEA]
- zakim, Matt is me
- 21:04:01 [Zakim]
- +MattSEA; got it
- 21:04:03 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:04:10 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:04:10 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:04:13 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:04:13 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P8 as Roberto_Ellero, rscano
- 21:04:15 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 21:04:37 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:04:39 [rscano]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:04:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin?,
- 21:04:39 [rellero]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Ellero
- 21:04:42 [Zakim]
- ... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, MattSEA, [Microsoft], Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:04:43 [Zakim]
- ok, rellero, I now associate you with Roberto_Ellero
- 21:04:47 [Zakim]
- +??P14
- 21:04:48 [rellero]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:04:48 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 21:05:05 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P14 is Bengt
- 21:05:05 [Zakim]
- +Bengt; got it
- 21:05:06 [bengt]
- yep
- 21:05:48 [bengt]
- zakim, I am Bengt
- 21:05:48 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt
- 21:05:52 [wendy]
- ===
- 21:05:53 [wendy]
- 2.2
- 21:06:33 [wendy]
- level 3 success criteria
- 21:06:43 [rscano]
- Current wording for Level 3 success criteria # 1
- 21:06:44 [rscano]
-
- 21:06:44 [rscano]
- 1. there are no time limits as a part of a competitive activity (content
- 21:06:44 [rscano]
- has been redesigned so that time limits are not an essential part of
- 21:06:44 [rscano]
- interaction.)
- 21:06:45 [wendy]
- "no time limits..."
- 21:06:50 [wendy]
- thx roberto
- 21:06:57 [rscano]
- ;-)
- 21:07:36 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who is muted
- 21:07:43 [Zakim]
- sh1mmer, you need to end that query with '?'
- 21:07:48 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who is muted?
- 21:07:48 [Zakim]
- I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom, Roberto_Scano muted
- 21:08:18 [rellero]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:08:18 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 21:08:19 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0125.html
- 21:08:59 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:08:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin?,
- 21:09:02 [Zakim]
- ... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, MattSEA, [Microsoft], Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt
- 21:09:03 [Zakim]
- +Lee_Roberts
- 21:09:16 [wendy]
- zakim, Roberto_Ellero is Ben_and_Gregg
- 21:09:16 [Zakim]
- +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
- 21:09:34 [wendy]
- zakim, Gregg_and_Ben is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:09:34 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:09:48 [rellero]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:09:48 [Zakim]
- Ben_and_Gregg should now be muted
- 21:10:05 [wendy]
- unmute Ben_and_Gregg
- 21:10:06 [rellero]
- zakim, Roberto_Ellero is rellero
- 21:10:06 [Zakim]
- +rellero; got it
- 21:11:17 [wendy]
- "It is usually possible to
- 21:11:17 [wendy]
- give the user the option of delaying or suppressing most interactions
- 21:11:17 [wendy]
- that are triggered by external, real-time events, such as notice of
- 21:11:17 [wendy]
- incoming email or the availability of updated content.
- 21:11:18 [wendy]
- "
- 21:11:47 [rscano]
- what about Instant Messanger?
- 21:13:13 [wendy]
- don't remove it before they finish reading it. this says, if give all info at once, may also be not understandable.
- 21:13:20 [wendy]
- give them the option of receiving info in chunks.
- 21:13:44 [wendy]
- apply only to text or also to animations?
- 21:14:07 [wendy]
- "phases" - could apply to any content. or is this a typo and should be "phrases"?
- 21:14:11 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:14:11 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:15:08 [wendy]
- delete reference to competitive activity?
- 21:16:10 [wendy]
- should include all activities for which timing is essential part of activity.
- 21:17:13 [wendy]
- "there are no activities where timing is an essential part of the activity."
- 21:17:19 [wendy]
- (for level 3)
- 21:17:42 [wendy]
- "the content and activities has been designed such that timing is not an essential part of any activity"
- 21:17:50 [wendy]
- timing or timed interaction or timed responses?
- 21:18:10 [wendy]
- timing may be too general.
- 21:18:17 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "time limits" was original wording
- 21:18:20 [rscano]
- timed interaction is more specific
- 21:18:40 [wendy]
- consequence: a straight forward web page w/out interaction, could claim level 3 on this.
- 21:19:32 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:19:32 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 21:20:10 [wendy]
- redundant? (andi's argument) that a success criterion that says time-based interaction is not present, guideline doesn't apply, people pass it.
- 21:20:17 [wendy]
- or there could be time-based interaction, but not essential.
- 21:20:39 [wendy]
- how test if it is essential?
- 21:20:49 [wendy]
- "part of any activity in the content"
- 21:23:49 [wendy]
- difference between challenging people who are designing interactive resources to do so in a way that does not require timing. meeting level 3 possibly quite difficult design challenge.
- 21:24:01 [wendy]
- don't want to be able to say pass level 3 b/c don't have interactivity built into resource.
- 21:24:19 [wendy]
- purpose is not to make it hard to do anything, it's to remove barriers.
- 21:25:29 [Yvette]
- q-
- 21:29:40 [wendy]
- level 3 - across the board, if level 1 and 2 have exceptions, level 3 there are no exceptions.
- 21:31:04 [wendy]
- concern about accessible design being interpreted as dull and boring (if to be AAA you *don't* have any of the features described in guidelines)
- 21:31:25 [Zakim]
- -rellero
- 21:31:40 [wendy]
- "standardized" - not about standardization, it is about time limits or not.
- 21:31:46 [silvia]
- silvia has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:31:57 [rscano]
- hi silvia
- 21:31:59 [rellero]
- hi
- 21:32:00 [silvia]
- hi!
- 21:32:18 [wendy]
- if have a real-time event, can never be level 3, no matter what you did.
- 21:32:50 [wendy]
- does this guideline refer to any time-based presentation or specifically to things that require interaction?
- 21:32:59 [wendy]
- if any time-based, the include multimedia.
- 21:34:28 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 21:34:32 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 21:35:02 [rellero]
- sorry, problems with dialpad again
- 21:35:35 [wendy]
- to reach AAA, only do a percentage
- 21:36:14 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 21:36:18 [rellero]
- zakim, +??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:36:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
- 21:36:26 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:36:26 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:40:53 [wendy]
- brief conformance tangent, wondering about how to declare conformance to AAA. some think that conforming to a percentage of level would allow you to conform to AAA. however, only ~10 Guidelines have level 3 criteria.
- 21:41:13 [wendy]
- what about idea of AA+? no consensus.
- 21:41:54 [wendy]
- (no consensus on conformance and how to encourage people to aim for AAA. need to discuss and document assumptions. need to see all of level 3 as a group at once to look at the big picture)
- 21:43:18 [wendy]
- andi proposed we add a second criterion that says, "the user is provided an option to delay or suppress interruptions
- 21:43:18 [wendy]
- triggered by external, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or
- 21:43:18 [wendy]
- the availability of updated content."
- 21:43:42 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 21:43:43 [wendy]
- emergency messages should be passed through.
- 21:43:46 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 21:43:51 [rscano]
- auch
- 21:44:06 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 21:44:16 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 21:44:21 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
- 21:44:21 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 21:44:29 [wendy]
- can we say "non-emergency"
- 21:44:34 [rscano]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
- 21:44:34 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 21:44:41 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 21:44:45 [wendy]
- tom working on a system that integrates systems into one. feasible could come up with alerts.
- 21:45:01 [rscano]
- roberto falls
- 21:45:15 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 21:45:15 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
- 21:45:50 [wendy]
- "the user is provided an option to delay or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
- 21:46:23 [wendy]
- is this page refresh?
- 21:46:27 [wendy]
- push content
- 21:46:48 [wendy]
- e.g., flash can have a connection to the server, info keeps flowing to client.
- 21:46:49 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 21:46:52 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 21:47:04 [rscano]
- why not "user can delay...." instead to limit as "user is provided an option" ?
- 21:47:10 [wendy]
- if you have content that generates interuptions, they can be turned off?
- 21:47:27 [wendy]
- roberto - want to voice that or do you have an echo?
- 21:47:44 [rscano]
- echo please here connection problems
- 21:47:50 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 21:47:51 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 21:47:52 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:48:06 [rscano]
- all robertos are losing connection :(
- 21:48:35 [rcastaldo]
- But we're all back again :-)
- 21:48:49 [wendy]
- "the user can indefinitely delay or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
- 21:49:04 [rscano]
- good one!
- 21:49:05 [wendy]
- postpone?
- 21:49:43 [wendy]
- "the user can indefinitely postpone or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
- 21:50:06 [rscano]
- the user can indefinitely control interruptions ... ?
- 21:51:14 [wendy]
- is indefinitely testable?
- 21:52:08 [wendy]
- aries comment. andi proposes adding to level 2 criterion.
- 21:52:56 [wendy]
- content issue or user agent issue?
- 21:53:05 [rscano]
- good question :)
- 21:55:43 [wendy]
- pause and stop would address aries concern.
- 21:56:02 [wendy]
- w/out a UA, the only way to comply is to cut a movie into pieces. are we going to require authors to make up for UAs that don't meet UAAG?
- 21:57:06 [wendy]
- section 508 require that provide link to an accessible user agent.
- 21:57:36 [wendy]
- content provide responsible for determining which formats are supported and using that and linking to accessible player.
- 21:57:55 [rscano]
- accessible player means conform to UAAG 1.0 Level?
- 21:58:42 [wendy]
- if it can be paused or permanently stopped. if can present in phases or structural sections, more about guidelines related to structure and navigation than anything on timing.
- 22:00:23 [wendy]
- e.g., if i have a smil presentation, might be possible to navigate through structure. that ability would conform to other guidelines (re structure)
- 22:00:50 [wendy]
- add "moving or time-based content"? agreement
- 22:01:07 [wendy]
- then, aries comment covered by this edit and provisions on structure and navigation.
- 22:01:08 [rscano]
- yes agree
- 22:01:18 [wendy]
- benefits:
- 22:02:48 [wendy]
- add additional phrase to first benefit.
- 22:04:04 [wendy]
- issue 686 - clarify exemptions.
- 22:05:07 [wendy]
- not an example, a definition.
- 22:05:12 [wendy]
- need to come up with examples
- 22:05:33 [wendy]
- there are 2, but they need work.
- 22:07:02 [wendy]
- "client-side scripting is used to create blinking text. option to disable."
- 22:07:25 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:08:49 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 22:08:51 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 22:09:05 [wendy]
- for interactive, with pauses.
- 22:09:11 [wendy]
- issue 174
- 22:09:38 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 22:09:40 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 22:09:40 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 22:10:36 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=412
- 22:11:22 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=562
- 22:15:52 [rscano]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#lining-striking-props
- 22:18:32 [rcastaldo]
- I think we should clearly say not to use blinking text
- 22:18:59 [rscano]
- ask to put as deprecated in CSS 2.1?
- 22:19:16 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:19:54 [wendy]
- ===
- 22:19:55 [wendy]
- 3.4
- 22:20:02 [rscano]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0129.html
- 22:20:25 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 22:20:26 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 22:20:31 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 22:20:43 [rscano]
- auch again
- 22:21:16 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 22:21:19 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 22:21:20 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 22:21:21 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
- 22:21:21 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P6 as ??P6, rellero
- 22:21:29 [wendy]
- "consistent" and "predictable" aren't testable.
- 22:21:32 [rellero]
- zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Ellero
- 22:21:32 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 22:21:37 [wendy]
- "layout" is style issue not accessibility.
- 22:21:49 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 22:21:55 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Scano
- 22:21:55 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 22:22:24 [rscano]
- zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
- 22:22:24 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 22:22:54 [rellero]
- a clear articulate layout is more communicative and useful in giving the
- 22:22:54 [rellero]
- sense of where one is, so is an accesibility issue in my opinion
- 22:23:08 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=315
- 22:24:10 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=383
- 22:24:43 [wendy]
- key, generally, consistent, predictable (words used that are not testable)
- 22:24:45 [wendy]
- essential
- 22:25:34 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=443
- 22:27:15 [rscano]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=422
- 22:27:36 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=443
- 22:28:26 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 22:28:29 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 22:28:30 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin?
- 22:30:14 [wendy]
- this one seems very broad.
- 22:30:55 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:36:22 [rellero]
- The importance of a consistent and deducible, but not flat and repetitive
- 22:36:26 [rellero]
- structure, concerns accessibility.
- 22:37:56 [wendy]
- guidelines not assigned: 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 2.5
- 22:37:58 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 22:38:16 [rscano]
- 29 :D
- 22:38:18 [rcastaldo]
- Bye
- 22:38:21 [Zakim]
- -Tom
- 22:38:22 [rellero]
- bye
- 22:38:22 [Zakim]
- -JasonWhite
- 22:38:23 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 22:38:23 [Zakim]
- -Ben_and_Gregg
- 22:38:24 [Zakim]
- -Bengt
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- rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
- 22:38:25 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 22:38:26 [Zakim]
- -MattSEA
- 22:38:27 [Zakim]
- -Doyle
- 22:38:28 [Zakim]
- -Lee_Roberts
- 22:38:30 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 22:38:33 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 22:38:42 [rellero]
- rellero has left #wai-wcag
- 22:38:42 [silvia]
- bye
- 22:38:48 [wendy]
- guidelines assigned but not completed: 1.1, 1.4, 1.5 (will reassign if not completed by 6 February)
- 22:38:48 [bengt]
- bye
- 22:38:50 [Zakim]
- -Avi_Arditti
- 22:38:51 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 22:38:52 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Tom, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Ray_Whitmer, Roberto_Scano, Wendy, Doyle, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Kerstin?, MattSEA,
- 22:38:54 [Zakim]
- ... [Microsoft], Bengt, Lee_Roberts, Ben_and_Gregg, rellero, Roberto_Ellero
- 22:39:00 [bengt]
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- silvia has left #wai-wcag
- 22:41:23 [ben]
- ben has left #wai-wcag
- 22:42:12 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 22:42:12 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 22:42:15 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 22:42:15 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items
- 22:45:37 [RRSAgent]
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- 22:45:50 [wendy]
- minutes with issues summary discussion/outline: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/12/11-minutes.html
- 22:46:04 [wendy]
- ben's tips on using bugzilla: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003OctDec/0555.html
- 22:46:12 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 22:46:12 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items