IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-05

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20:56:18 [RRSAgent]
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20:56:21 [doyle]
hello from the frozen north!!! :@)
20:56:26 [Yvette]
Where?
20:56:29 [rcastaldo]
Happy Birthday to Roberto Scano!!! :-D
20:56:33 [rscano]
ssshhh!
20:56:33 [wendy]
zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:56:33 [Zakim]
ok, wendy; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
20:56:33 [rscano]
:D
20:56:34 [doyle]
Anchorage, Alaska
20:56:34 [Yvette]
hip hip
20:56:37 [Yvette]
huraaaah
20:56:43 [rcastaldo]
:-)
20:56:47 [Yvette]
Doesn't get much colder than that, I guess
20:57:04 [rscano]
Alaska? auch!
20:57:05 [Yvette]
Here it's already spring, all the flowers are out of sync
20:57:06 [doyle]
Actually, it's warmed up quite a bit
20:57:14 [Yvette]
We have crocus flowers already
20:57:22 [doyle]
Yvette - I am envious!!!
20:57:29 [Zakim]
WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
20:57:31 [rscano]
wow
20:57:34 [Yvette]
It's 15 degrees Centigrade
20:57:36 [Zakim]
+??P0
20:57:41 [rscano]
who opened the call?
20:58:02 [rcastaldo]
Maybe it's me!!!
20:58:11 [Zakim]
+??P1
20:58:17 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, ??P1 is Tom
20:58:17 [Zakim]
+Tom; got it
20:58:18 [Zakim]
+Yvette_Hoitink
20:58:19 [rscano]
zakim, +P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:58:19 [Zakim]
sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '+P0'
20:58:22 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, I am Tom
20:58:22 [Zakim]
ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
20:58:35 [rscano]
zakim, ??P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:58:35 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Castaldo; got it
20:58:43 [Zakim]
+Ray_Whitmer
20:58:47 [rellero]
this evening I'm trying a new configuration of dialpad
20:59:13 [Zakim]
+??P4
20:59:20 [rscano]
zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
20:59:20 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Scano; got it
21:00:16 [rscano]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:00:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Ray_Whitmer, Roberto_Scano
21:00:36 [doyle]
Wendy I am on the phone, too
21:00:53 [Zakim]
+Wendy
21:01:06 [wendy]
zakim, Ray is Doyle
21:01:06 [Zakim]
+Doyle; got it
21:01:08 [rellero]
new configuration, suggested by dialpad, is no good :(
21:01:29 [Zakim]
+John_Slatin
21:01:52 [Zakim]
+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:01:56 [Zakim]
+??P6
21:02:06 [Zakim]
+??P8
21:02:17 [wendy]
zakim, ??P6 Gregg
21:02:17 [Zakim]
I don't understand '??P6 Gregg', wendy
21:02:17 [rellero]
zakim, +??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
21:02:18 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
21:02:21 [Zakim]
+??P9
21:02:22 [ben]
ben has joined #wai-wcag
21:02:24 [Zakim]
+JasonWhite
21:02:27 [wendy]
zakim, ??P6 is Gregg
21:02:27 [Zakim]
+Gregg; got it
21:02:28 [Yvette]
zakim, ??P6 is Gregg
21:02:28 [Zakim]
I already had ??P6 as Gregg, Yvette
21:02:39 [rscano]
P6 i think is Ellero
21:02:41 [Zakim]
+Avi_Arditti
21:02:43 [wendy]
zakim, ??P9 may be Kerstin
21:02:43 [Zakim]
+Kerstin?; got it
21:02:44 [ben]
zakim, Gregg is Gregg_and_Ben
21:02:44 [Zakim]
+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
21:02:45 [rellero]
yes
21:02:48 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:02:48 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Doyle, Roberto_Scano, Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8, Kerstin?, JasonWhite,
21:02:51 [Zakim]
... Avi_Arditti
21:02:59 [Zakim]
+Matt
21:03:08 [wendy]
zakim, who's muted?
21:03:08 [Zakim]
I see Tom muted
21:03:14 [Yvette]
zakim, who makes noise?
21:03:14 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, Yvette.
21:03:15 [MattSEA]
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21:03:15 [rellero]
zakim, +??P6 is rellero
21:03:15 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
21:03:17 [rscano]
zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
21:03:17 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
21:03:20 [MattSEA]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:03:21 [rscano]
zakim, mute me
21:03:21 [Zakim]
Roberto_Scano should now be muted
21:03:31 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:03:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8, Kerstin?,
21:03:34 [Zakim]
... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Matt
21:03:35 [Zakim]
MattSEA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yvette_Hoitink (26%), Avi_Arditti (14%), Wendy (37%), JasonWhite (7%)
21:03:36 [rellero]
zakim, I am Roberto_Ellero
21:03:36 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'Roberto_Ellero'
21:03:43 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:03:43 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:03:54 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:03:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P8,
21:03:54 [Yvette]
I'll dial in again then
21:03:57 [Zakim]
... Kerstin?, JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Matt
21:04:01 [MattSEA]
zakim, Matt is me
21:04:01 [Zakim]
+MattSEA; got it
21:04:03 [Zakim]
-Yvette_Hoitink
21:04:10 [rellero]
zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
21:04:10 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:04:13 [rscano]
zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
21:04:13 [Zakim]
I already had ??P8 as Roberto_Ellero, rscano
21:04:15 [Zakim]
+[Microsoft]
21:04:37 [Zakim]
+Yvette_Hoitink
21:04:39 [rscano]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin?,
21:04:39 [rellero]
zakim, I am Roberto_Ellero
21:04:42 [Zakim]
... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, MattSEA, [Microsoft], Yvette_Hoitink
21:04:43 [Zakim]
ok, rellero, I now associate you with Roberto_Ellero
21:04:47 [Zakim]
+??P14
21:04:48 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
21:04:48 [Zakim]
Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
21:05:05 [wendy]
zakim, ??P14 is Bengt
21:05:05 [Zakim]
+Bengt; got it
21:05:06 [bengt]
yep
21:05:48 [bengt]
zakim, I am Bengt
21:05:48 [Zakim]
ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt
21:05:52 [wendy]
===
21:05:53 [wendy]
2.2
21:06:33 [wendy]
level 3 success criteria
21:06:43 [rscano]
Current wording for Level 3 success criteria # 1
21:06:44 [rscano]
21:06:44 [rscano]
1. there are no time limits as a part of a competitive activity (content
21:06:44 [rscano]
has been redesigned so that time limits are not an essential part of
21:06:44 [rscano]
interaction.)
21:06:45 [wendy]
"no time limits..."
21:06:50 [wendy]
thx roberto
21:06:57 [rscano]
;-)
21:07:36 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, who is muted
21:07:43 [Zakim]
sh1mmer, you need to end that query with '?'
21:07:48 [sh1mmer]
Zakim, who is muted?
21:07:48 [Zakim]
I see Roberto_Castaldo, Tom, Roberto_Scano muted
21:08:18 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
21:08:18 [Zakim]
Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
21:08:19 [wendy]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0125.html
21:08:59 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:08:59 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Tom (muted), Doyle, Roberto_Scano (muted), Wendy, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin?,
21:09:02 [Zakim]
... JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, MattSEA, [Microsoft], Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt
21:09:03 [Zakim]
+Lee_Roberts
21:09:16 [wendy]
zakim, Roberto_Ellero is Ben_and_Gregg
21:09:16 [Zakim]
+Ben_and_Gregg; got it
21:09:34 [wendy]
zakim, Gregg_and_Ben is Roberto_Ellero
21:09:34 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:09:48 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
21:09:48 [Zakim]
Ben_and_Gregg should now be muted
21:10:05 [wendy]
unmute Ben_and_Gregg
21:10:06 [rellero]
zakim, Roberto_Ellero is rellero
21:10:06 [Zakim]
+rellero; got it
21:11:17 [wendy]
"It is usually possible to
21:11:17 [wendy]
give the user the option of delaying or suppressing most interactions
21:11:17 [wendy]
that are triggered by external, real-time events, such as notice of
21:11:17 [wendy]
incoming email or the availability of updated content.
21:11:18 [wendy]
"
21:11:47 [rscano]
what about Instant Messanger?
21:13:13 [wendy]
don't remove it before they finish reading it. this says, if give all info at once, may also be not understandable.
21:13:20 [wendy]
give them the option of receiving info in chunks.
21:13:44 [wendy]
apply only to text or also to animations?
21:14:07 [wendy]
"phases" - could apply to any content. or is this a typo and should be "phrases"?
21:14:11 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:14:11 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:15:08 [wendy]
delete reference to competitive activity?
21:16:10 [wendy]
should include all activities for which timing is essential part of activity.
21:17:13 [wendy]
"there are no activities where timing is an essential part of the activity."
21:17:19 [wendy]
(for level 3)
21:17:42 [wendy]
"the content and activities has been designed such that timing is not an essential part of any activity"
21:17:50 [wendy]
timing or timed interaction or timed responses?
21:18:10 [wendy]
timing may be too general.
21:18:17 [Yvette]
q+ to say "time limits" was original wording
21:18:20 [rscano]
timed interaction is more specific
21:18:40 [wendy]
consequence: a straight forward web page w/out interaction, could claim level 3 on this.
21:19:32 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
21:19:32 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:20:10 [wendy]
redundant? (andi's argument) that a success criterion that says time-based interaction is not present, guideline doesn't apply, people pass it.
21:20:17 [wendy]
or there could be time-based interaction, but not essential.
21:20:39 [wendy]
how test if it is essential?
21:20:49 [wendy]
"part of any activity in the content"
21:23:49 [wendy]
difference between challenging people who are designing interactive resources to do so in a way that does not require timing. meeting level 3 possibly quite difficult design challenge.
21:24:01 [wendy]
don't want to be able to say pass level 3 b/c don't have interactivity built into resource.
21:24:19 [wendy]
purpose is not to make it hard to do anything, it's to remove barriers.
21:25:29 [Yvette]
q-
21:29:40 [wendy]
level 3 - across the board, if level 1 and 2 have exceptions, level 3 there are no exceptions.
21:31:04 [wendy]
concern about accessible design being interpreted as dull and boring (if to be AAA you *don't* have any of the features described in guidelines)
21:31:25 [Zakim]
-rellero
21:31:40 [wendy]
"standardized" - not about standardization, it is about time limits or not.
21:31:46 [silvia]
silvia has joined #wai-wcag
21:31:57 [rscano]
hi silvia
21:31:59 [rellero]
hi
21:32:00 [silvia]
hi!
21:32:18 [wendy]
if have a real-time event, can never be level 3, no matter what you did.
21:32:50 [wendy]
does this guideline refer to any time-based presentation or specifically to things that require interaction?
21:32:59 [wendy]
if any time-based, the include multimedia.
21:34:28 [Zakim]
+??P6
21:34:32 [Zakim]
-??P6
21:35:02 [rellero]
sorry, problems with dialpad again
21:35:35 [wendy]
to reach AAA, only do a percentage
21:36:14 [Zakim]
+??P6
21:36:18 [rellero]
zakim, +??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
21:36:18 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
21:36:26 [rscano]
zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
21:36:26 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:40:53 [wendy]
brief conformance tangent, wondering about how to declare conformance to AAA. some think that conforming to a percentage of level would allow you to conform to AAA. however, only ~10 Guidelines have level 3 criteria.
21:41:13 [wendy]
what about idea of AA+? no consensus.
21:41:54 [wendy]
(no consensus on conformance and how to encourage people to aim for AAA. need to discuss and document assumptions. need to see all of level 3 as a group at once to look at the big picture)
21:43:18 [wendy]
andi proposed we add a second criterion that says, "the user is provided an option to delay or suppress interruptions
21:43:18 [wendy]
triggered by external, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or
21:43:18 [wendy]
the availability of updated content."
21:43:42 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Scano
21:43:43 [wendy]
emergency messages should be passed through.
21:43:46 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
21:43:51 [rscano]
auch
21:44:06 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Castaldo
21:44:16 [Zakim]
+??P4
21:44:21 [rscano]
zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
21:44:21 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Scano; got it
21:44:29 [wendy]
can we say "non-emergency"
21:44:34 [rscano]
zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
21:44:34 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
21:44:41 [Zakim]
+??P0
21:44:45 [wendy]
tom working on a system that integrates systems into one. feasible could come up with alerts.
21:45:01 [rscano]
roberto falls
21:45:15 [rscano]
zakim, ??P0 is Roberto_Castaldo
21:45:15 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Castaldo; got it
21:45:50 [wendy]
"the user is provided an option to delay or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
21:46:23 [wendy]
is this page refresh?
21:46:27 [wendy]
push content
21:46:48 [wendy]
e.g., flash can have a connection to the server, info keeps flowing to client.
21:46:49 [Zakim]
+??P6
21:46:52 [Zakim]
-??P6
21:47:04 [rscano]
why not "user can delay...." instead to limit as "user is provided an option" ?
21:47:10 [wendy]
if you have content that generates interuptions, they can be turned off?
21:47:27 [wendy]
roberto - want to voice that or do you have an echo?
21:47:44 [rscano]
echo please here connection problems
21:47:50 [Zakim]
+??P6
21:47:51 [rellero]
zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
21:47:52 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:48:06 [rscano]
all robertos are losing connection :(
21:48:35 [rcastaldo]
But we're all back again :-)
21:48:49 [wendy]
"the user can indefinitely delay or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
21:49:04 [rscano]
good one!
21:49:05 [wendy]
postpone?
21:49:43 [wendy]
"the user can indefinitely postpone or suppress interruptions triggered by non-emergency, real-time events such as notice of incoming email or the availability of updated content."
21:50:06 [rscano]
the user can indefinitely control interruptions ... ?
21:51:14 [wendy]
is indefinitely testable?
21:52:08 [wendy]
aries comment. andi proposes adding to level 2 criterion.
21:52:56 [wendy]
content issue or user agent issue?
21:53:05 [rscano]
good question :)
21:55:43 [wendy]
pause and stop would address aries concern.
21:56:02 [wendy]
w/out a UA, the only way to comply is to cut a movie into pieces. are we going to require authors to make up for UAs that don't meet UAAG?
21:57:06 [wendy]
section 508 require that provide link to an accessible user agent.
21:57:36 [wendy]
content provide responsible for determining which formats are supported and using that and linking to accessible player.
21:57:55 [rscano]
accessible player means conform to UAAG 1.0 Level?
21:58:42 [wendy]
if it can be paused or permanently stopped. if can present in phases or structural sections, more about guidelines related to structure and navigation than anything on timing.
22:00:23 [wendy]
e.g., if i have a smil presentation, might be possible to navigate through structure. that ability would conform to other guidelines (re structure)
22:00:50 [wendy]
add "moving or time-based content"? agreement
22:01:07 [wendy]
then, aries comment covered by this edit and provisions on structure and navigation.
22:01:08 [rscano]
yes agree
22:01:18 [wendy]
benefits:
22:02:48 [wendy]
add additional phrase to first benefit.
22:04:04 [wendy]
issue 686 - clarify exemptions.
22:05:07 [wendy]
not an example, a definition.
22:05:12 [wendy]
need to come up with examples
22:05:33 [wendy]
there are 2, but they need work.
22:07:02 [wendy]
"client-side scripting is used to create blinking text. option to disable."
22:07:25 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
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+??P6
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-??P6
22:09:05 [wendy]
for interactive, with pauses.
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issue 174
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+??P6
22:09:40 [rellero]
zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
22:09:40 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
22:10:36 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=412
22:11:22 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=562
22:15:52 [rscano]
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#lining-striking-props
22:18:32 [rcastaldo]
I think we should clearly say not to use blinking text
22:18:59 [rscano]
ask to put as deprecated in CSS 2.1?
22:19:16 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
22:19:54 [wendy]
===
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3.4
22:20:02 [rscano]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0129.html
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+??P6
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-??P6
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-Roberto_Scano
22:20:43 [rscano]
auch again
22:21:16 [Zakim]
+??P4
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+??P6
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-??P6
22:21:21 [rellero]
zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Ellero
22:21:21 [Zakim]
I already had ??P6 as ??P6, rellero
22:21:29 [wendy]
"consistent" and "predictable" aren't testable.
22:21:32 [rellero]
zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Ellero
22:21:32 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
22:21:37 [wendy]
"layout" is style issue not accessibility.
22:21:49 [Zakim]
+??P6
22:21:55 [rscano]
zakim, ??P6 is Roberto_Scano
22:21:55 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Scano; got it
22:22:24 [rscano]
zakim, i am Roberto_Scano
22:22:24 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
22:22:54 [rellero]
a clear articulate layout is more communicative and useful in giving the
22:22:54 [rellero]
sense of where one is, so is an accesibility issue in my opinion
22:23:08 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=315
22:24:10 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=383
22:24:43 [wendy]
key, generally, consistent, predictable (words used that are not testable)
22:24:45 [wendy]
essential
22:25:34 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=443
22:27:15 [rscano]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=422
22:27:36 [wendy]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=443
22:28:26 [Zakim]
-John_Slatin
22:28:29 [Zakim]
-[Microsoft]
22:28:30 [Zakim]
-Kerstin?
22:30:14 [wendy]
this one seems very broad.
22:30:55 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
22:36:22 [rellero]
The importance of a consistent and deducible, but not flat and repetitive
22:36:26 [rellero]
structure, concerns accessibility.
22:37:56 [wendy]
guidelines not assigned: 1.2, 1.3, 1.7, 2.5
22:37:58 [Zakim]
-Wendy
22:38:16 [rscano]
29 :D
22:38:18 [rcastaldo]
Bye
22:38:21 [Zakim]
-Tom
22:38:22 [rellero]
bye
22:38:22 [Zakim]
-JasonWhite
22:38:23 [Zakim]
-Yvette_Hoitink
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-Ben_and_Gregg
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-Bengt
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rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-MattSEA
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-Doyle
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-Lee_Roberts
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-Roberto_Scano
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bye
22:38:48 [wendy]
guidelines assigned but not completed: 1.1, 1.4, 1.5 (will reassign if not completed by 6 February)
22:38:48 [bengt]
bye
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-Avi_Arditti
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Tom, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Ray_Whitmer, Roberto_Scano, Wendy, Doyle, John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, JasonWhite, Avi_Arditti, Kerstin?, MattSEA,
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... [Microsoft], Bengt, Lee_Roberts, Ben_and_Gregg, rellero, Roberto_Ellero
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22:42:12 [wendy]
zakim, bye
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22:42:15 [wendy]
RRSAgent, bye
22:42:15 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
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minutes with issues summary discussion/outline: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/12/11-minutes.html
22:46:04 [wendy]
ben's tips on using bugzilla: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003OctDec/0555.html
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RRSAgent, bye
22:46:12 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items