IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-01-29
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 21:00:12 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:00:17 [rellero]
- rellero has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:00:21 [Yvette]
- Hi Robberto
- 21:00:23 [silvia]
- Hi Roberto
- 21:00:24 [Yvette]
- -b
- 21:00:26 [rellero]
- Ciao
- 21:01:16 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:01:16 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:01:17 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:01:26 [Zakim]
- +Avi_Arditti
- 21:01:36 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 21:02:22 [Zakim]
- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:02:44 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 21:02:56 [Yvette]
- zakim, queue
- 21:02:56 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'queue', Yvette
- 21:02:58 [Zakim]
- +JasonWhite
- 21:03:08 [Yvette]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 21:03:08 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Yvette
- 21:03:36 [Yvette]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:03:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, [Microsoft], Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite
- 21:03:50 [Zakim]
- +??P17
- 21:04:17 [Yvette]
- zakim ??PP17 is Ben_and_Gregg
- 21:04:56 [Yvette]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is MikeBarta
- 21:04:56 [Zakim]
- +MikeBarta; got it
- 21:05:04 [Yvette]
- zakim, I am Yvette
- 21:05:04 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:06:02 [ben]
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- zakim, who is here?
- 21:06:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, ??P17
- 21:06:25 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ben, rellero, RRSAgent, Zakim, silvia, Yvette
- 21:06:39 [Yvette]
- zakim, agenda+ Guideline 2.2:
- 21:06:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 added
- 21:06:39 [Yvette]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0125.html
- 21:06:39 [rellero]
- Today I'm not at home, I'll follow in IRC
- 21:06:56 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 21:06:56 [Yvette]
- zakim, agenda+ Guideline 3.4
- 21:06:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 added
- 21:07:15 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P3 is LisaSeeman
- 21:07:15 [Zakim]
- +LisaSeeman; got it
- 21:07:43 [Yvette]
- zakim, agenda+ guideline 4.1 + 4.2
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- agendum 3 added
- 21:07:55 [Yvette]
- zakim, agenda+ Guideline 4.3
- 21:07:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 added
- 21:08:04 [Yvette]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:08:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, ??P17, LisaSeeman
- 21:08:20 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P17 is Ben_and_Gregg
- 21:08:20 [Zakim]
- +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
- 21:08:25 [Yvette]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:08:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, Ben_and_Gregg, LisaSeeman
- 21:08:42 [Yvette]
- Loretta will make notes offline (not on IRC)
- 21:09:23 [Zakim]
- +Dave_MacDonald
- 21:13:29 [Yvette]
- Proposal 626a looks best
- 21:13:29 [Yvette]
- Allow users to control time limits on their reading or interaction unless
- 21:13:29 [Yvette]
- specific real-time events or rules of competition make such control
- 21:13:29 [Yvette]
- impossible."
- 21:20:30 [Yvette]
- SC 1: keep original intro
- 21:20:40 [Yvette]
- content is designed so that time limits are not an essential part of interaction or at least one of the following is true for each time limit
- 21:21:17 [Yvette]
- SC 1.1: time limit (single, not plural)
- 21:28:47 [ben]
- ack Lisa
- 21:28:57 [ben]
- q?
- 21:29:08 [Yvette]
- Lisa: UA support for extra time would be great
- 21:29:29 [Yvette]
- User preference 'I always need max time'
- 21:29:47 [Yvette]
- perhaps make 2.2 a cross-group effort
- 21:30:09 [Yvette]
- Where to draw the line? 10 sec? 20 sec? Every limit will cut off people who need more
- 21:31:08 [bengt]
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- 21:31:17 [Yvette]
- hi bengt
- 21:31:21 [rellero]
- Hi
- 21:31:33 [ben]
- ben has joined #wai-wcag
- 21:32:37 [bengt]
- sorry I am late
- 21:33:32 [Zakim]
- +??P21
- 21:33:46 [Yvette]
- bengt, is that you who just joined?
- 21:33:49 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P21 is Bengt_Farre
- 21:33:49 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 21:33:52 [Yvette]
- ok
- 21:36:18 [bengt]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 21:36:18 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, Ben_and_Gregg, LisaSeeman, Dave_MacDonald (muted),
- 21:36:21 [Zakim]
- ... Bengt_Farre
- 21:36:22 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ben, bengt, rellero, RRSAgent, Zakim, silvia, Yvette
- 21:36:43 [Zakim]
- -LisaSeeman
- 21:38:51 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 21:39:08 [Yvette]
- zakim, ?P0 is LisaSeeman
- 21:39:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, Yvette, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'
- 21:39:23 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P0 is LisaSeeman
- 21:39:23 [Zakim]
- +LisaSeeman; got it
- 21:44:27 [Yvette]
- Make level 1 a certain amount of time, give more time in level 2
- 21:46:52 [Yvette]
- 10 sec / 30 sec for example
- 21:47:32 [Yvette]
- Should use short messages to warn about time limits, because it takes time to read those as well. Can put that in techniques
- 21:51:07 [Yvette]
- keep the 'or' because it's clearer that they're different options
- 21:51:08 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 21:52:04 [Yvette]
- 'or's at the end of the line
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- e.g. -> for example
- 21:55:59 [silvia]
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- -Avi_Arditti
- 22:06:45 [Yvette]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 22:06:56 [Zakim]
- Yvette, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doyle_Burnett (14%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Ben_and_Gregg (10%), JasonWhite (70%)
- 22:13:05 [Yvette]
- [627], delete online test issue
- 22:13:27 [Yvette]
- "The time limit is part of an activity where timing is essential"
- 22:14:03 [Zakim]
- -Doyle_Burnett
- 22:14:57 [Yvette]
- ... where timing is an essential part of the activity. The time limit can not be extended without invalidating the outcome
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- ack Dave_MacDonald
- 22:20:09 [Yvette]
- "* or the user can control the
- 22:20:09 [Yvette]
- presentation by eliciting phases sequentially via keystrokes
- 22:20:14 [Yvette]
- move to lower level
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- Level 2
- 22:22:06 [Yvette]
- Flicker vs. blinking
- 22:22:28 [Yvette]
- blinking = text that turns on and off at less then 3 times per second
- 22:22:46 [Yvette]
- (doesn't fall under the flicker guideline)
- 22:29:29 [Yvette]
- Users are allowed to turn off content that blinks for more than 3 seconds
- 22:29:42 [Yvette]
- blinking = content that turns on and off between 0.5 and 3 times per second
- 22:32:07 [Yvette]
- 2.1 just talks about functionality of the page, but should cover accessibility features in the page as well
- 22:33:28 [silvia]
- bye.
- 22:33:37 [Yvette]
- 2.1 + this includes author provided accessibility features
- 22:33:46 [Zakim]
- -LisaSeeman
- 22:38:15 [Yvette]
- The user is allowed to pause and/or permanently stop moving content
- 22:41:44 [Yvette]
- RRSagent, bye
- 22:41:44 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items