IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-01-29

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21:00:12 [RRSAgent]
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21:00:17 [rellero]
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21:00:21 [Yvette]
Hi Robberto
21:00:23 [silvia]
Hi Roberto
21:00:24 [Yvette]
-b
21:00:26 [rellero]
Ciao
21:01:16 [Zakim]
+Yvette_Hoitink
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-Yvette_Hoitink
21:01:17 [Zakim]
+Yvette_Hoitink
21:01:26 [Zakim]
+Avi_Arditti
21:01:36 [Zakim]
+[Microsoft]
21:02:22 [Zakim]
+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:02:44 [Zakim]
+John_Slatin
21:02:56 [Yvette]
zakim, queue
21:02:56 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'queue', Yvette
21:02:58 [Zakim]
+JasonWhite
21:03:08 [Yvette]
zakim, who is on the phone
21:03:08 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Yvette
21:03:36 [Yvette]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:03:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, [Microsoft], Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite
21:03:50 [Zakim]
+??P17
21:04:17 [Yvette]
zakim ??PP17 is Ben_and_Gregg
21:04:56 [Yvette]
zakim, [Microsoft] is MikeBarta
21:04:56 [Zakim]
+MikeBarta; got it
21:05:04 [Yvette]
zakim, I am Yvette
21:05:04 [Zakim]
ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
21:06:02 [ben]
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21:06:23 [ben]
zakim, who is here?
21:06:23 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, ??P17
21:06:25 [Zakim]
On IRC I see ben, rellero, RRSAgent, Zakim, silvia, Yvette
21:06:39 [Yvette]
zakim, agenda+ Guideline 2.2:
21:06:39 [Zakim]
agendum 1 added
21:06:39 [Yvette]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/0125.html
21:06:39 [rellero]
Today I'm not at home, I'll follow in IRC
21:06:56 [Zakim]
+??P3
21:06:56 [Yvette]
zakim, agenda+ Guideline 3.4
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agendum 2 added
21:07:15 [Yvette]
zakim, ??P3 is LisaSeeman
21:07:15 [Zakim]
+LisaSeeman; got it
21:07:43 [Yvette]
zakim, agenda+ guideline 4.1 + 4.2
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agendum 3 added
21:07:55 [Yvette]
zakim, agenda+ Guideline 4.3
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agendum 4 added
21:08:04 [Yvette]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:08:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, ??P17, LisaSeeman
21:08:20 [Yvette]
zakim, ??P17 is Ben_and_Gregg
21:08:20 [Zakim]
+Ben_and_Gregg; got it
21:08:25 [Yvette]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:08:26 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, Ben_and_Gregg, LisaSeeman
21:08:42 [Yvette]
Loretta will make notes offline (not on IRC)
21:09:23 [Zakim]
+Dave_MacDonald
21:13:29 [Yvette]
Proposal 626a looks best
21:13:29 [Yvette]
Allow users to control time limits on their reading or interaction unless
21:13:29 [Yvette]
specific real-time events or rules of competition make such control
21:13:29 [Yvette]
impossible."
21:20:30 [Yvette]
SC 1: keep original intro
21:20:40 [Yvette]
content is designed so that time limits are not an essential part of interaction or at least one of the following is true for each time limit
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SC 1.1: time limit (single, not plural)
21:28:47 [ben]
ack Lisa
21:28:57 [ben]
q?
21:29:08 [Yvette]
Lisa: UA support for extra time would be great
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User preference 'I always need max time'
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perhaps make 2.2 a cross-group effort
21:30:09 [Yvette]
Where to draw the line? 10 sec? 20 sec? Every limit will cut off people who need more
21:31:08 [bengt]
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hi bengt
21:31:21 [rellero]
Hi
21:31:33 [ben]
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21:32:37 [bengt]
sorry I am late
21:33:32 [Zakim]
+??P21
21:33:46 [Yvette]
bengt, is that you who just joined?
21:33:49 [bengt]
zakim, ??P21 is Bengt_Farre
21:33:49 [Zakim]
+Bengt_Farre; got it
21:33:52 [Yvette]
ok
21:36:18 [bengt]
zakim, who is here ?
21:36:18 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Doyle_Burnett, Yvette_Hoitink, Avi_Arditti, MikeBarta, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, JasonWhite, Ben_and_Gregg, LisaSeeman, Dave_MacDonald (muted),
21:36:21 [Zakim]
... Bengt_Farre
21:36:22 [Zakim]
On IRC I see ben, bengt, rellero, RRSAgent, Zakim, silvia, Yvette
21:36:43 [Zakim]
-LisaSeeman
21:38:51 [Zakim]
+??P0
21:39:08 [Yvette]
zakim, ?P0 is LisaSeeman
21:39:08 [Zakim]
sorry, Yvette, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'
21:39:23 [Yvette]
zakim, ??P0 is LisaSeeman
21:39:23 [Zakim]
+LisaSeeman; got it
21:44:27 [Yvette]
Make level 1 a certain amount of time, give more time in level 2
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10 sec / 30 sec for example
21:47:32 [Yvette]
Should use short messages to warn about time limits, because it takes time to read those as well. Can put that in techniques
21:51:07 [Yvette]
keep the 'or' because it's clearer that they're different options
21:51:08 [Zakim]
-John_Slatin
21:52:04 [Yvette]
'or's at the end of the line
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e.g. -> for example
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-Avi_Arditti
22:06:45 [Yvette]
zakim, who is making noise?
22:06:56 [Zakim]
Yvette, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doyle_Burnett (14%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Ben_and_Gregg (10%), JasonWhite (70%)
22:13:05 [Yvette]
[627], delete online test issue
22:13:27 [Yvette]
"The time limit is part of an activity where timing is essential"
22:14:03 [Zakim]
-Doyle_Burnett
22:14:57 [Yvette]
... where timing is an essential part of the activity. The time limit can not be extended without invalidating the outcome
22:19:01 [Yvette]
ack Dave_MacDonald
22:20:09 [Yvette]
"* or the user can control the
22:20:09 [Yvette]
presentation by eliciting phases sequentially via keystrokes
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move to lower level
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Level 2
22:22:06 [Yvette]
Flicker vs. blinking
22:22:28 [Yvette]
blinking = text that turns on and off at less then 3 times per second
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(doesn't fall under the flicker guideline)
22:29:29 [Yvette]
Users are allowed to turn off content that blinks for more than 3 seconds
22:29:42 [Yvette]
blinking = content that turns on and off between 0.5 and 3 times per second
22:32:07 [Yvette]
2.1 just talks about functionality of the page, but should cover accessibility features in the page as well
22:33:28 [silvia]
bye.
22:33:37 [Yvette]
2.1 + this includes author provided accessibility features
22:33:46 [Zakim]
-LisaSeeman
22:38:15 [Yvette]
The user is allowed to pause and/or permanently stop moving content
22:41:44 [Yvette]
RRSagent, bye
22:41:44 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items