IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-01-14
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- 15:06:40 [RRSAgent]
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- 15:06:45 [wendy]
- agenda+ QA Process doc
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- agenda+ CSS Techs
- 15:06:56 [wendy]
- agenda+ supporting tech
- 15:07:02 [wendy]
- agenda+ action items
- 15:08:25 [wendy]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 15:08:25 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "action items" taken up [from wendy]
- 15:08:49 [wendy]
- from 10 December discussion about deprecating WCAG 1.0 checkpoints
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- wendy: 1.3
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- david: 1.5
- 15:09:10 [wendy]
- ben: client-side proxy to handle 1.5. +7.1, .2 .3
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- michael: ...
- 15:09:22 [wendy]
- david: 10.5
- 15:09:34 [wendy]
- s/10 December/17 December
- 15:10:03 [wendy]
- wendy: check w/other staff contacts to review gateway
- 15:10:06 [wendy]
- michael talk w/tom
- 15:17:27 [Zakim]
- +David_D
- 15:18:37 [wendy]
- close this agendum
- 15:18:58 [wendy]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 15:18:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "CSS Techs" taken up [from wendy]
- 15:20:02 [wendy]
- CSS 2.1 is a working draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
- 15:21:47 [wendy]
- CSS 3: modules are at various stages. some Working Draft, some Last Call WD, some Candidate Recommendation
- 15:21:56 [wendy]
- CSS 2.1 is a Last Call WD
- 15:22:41 [wendy]
- CSS3 likely to implemented as profiles to cover diff modules
- 15:23:25 [wendy]
- What role would CSS play in a combination of technologies that would satisfy WCAG?
- 15:24:09 [wendy]
- Assume that goal of latest xml draft (for css techs) is to have the same format as HTML techniques.
- 15:24:58 [wendy]
- ack Lisa
- 15:25:05 [wendy]
- overlap with PF?
- 15:28:10 [wendy]
- is css deprecating aural css? voice wg working on ssml and other speech techs.
- 15:30:18 [wendy]
- aural are not widely supported now. mark as future techniques. since css3 is still under development, css 2.1 is what to shoot for.
- 15:30:48 [Zakim]
- -David_D
- 15:37:24 [wendy]
- making proposals: send them to the list
- 15:37:40 [wendy]
- what needs to be done: add missing techniques, cleaning up existing ones, addressing editorial notes
- 15:38:03 [wendy]
- addressing open issues (wendy will move old issues into bugzilla)
- 15:41:29 [wendy]
- action: wendy and tim to talk about open issues and moving into bugzilla
- 15:42:43 [wendy]
- close this agendum
- 15:43:06 [wendy]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 15:43:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "supporting tech" taken up [from wendy]
- 15:43:45 [wendy]
- CSS always a supporting tech. html could host svg and css. svg could host css (and HTML?)
- 15:44:27 [wendy]
- therefore, some technologies could either be host or supporting
- 15:44:31 [wendy]
- are these the right terms?
- 15:44:38 [wendy]
- host and supporting
- 15:45:37 [wendy]
- what are we trying to achieve using these terms?
- 15:45:55 [wendy]
- separate content from presentation
- 15:46:18 [wendy]
- using css as supporting technology is a way to satisfy that
- 15:47:48 [wendy]
- diff: can the content stand alone?
- 15:48:05 [wendy]
- for HTML, if css not there, content still works. however, cases where css adds content
- 15:49:39 [wendy]
- svg: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/concepts.html#UsageOptions
- 15:51:47 [wendy]
- embedded, presentation, parent
- 15:51:58 [wendy]
- presentation - only css?
- 15:52:05 [wendy]
- xslt - not worried about transformation
- 15:52:15 [wendy]
- xsl:fo - presentation
- 15:55:26 [wendy]
- embedded, style, parent
- 15:56:52 [wendy]
- why have general css techs if have css support for every parent technology?
- 15:57:39 [wendy]
- ack Dave
- 16:01:41 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 16:03:07 [wendy]
- close this agendum
- 16:03:12 [wendy]
- take up agendum 1
- 16:03:23 [wendy]
- guideline 4: have we determined our framework?
- 16:03:46 [wendy]
- currently: task, examples, resources
- 16:04:24 [wendy]
- could also include: inline examples (e.g., image with alt-text), mp3 recordings of screen reader
- 16:05:32 [wendy]
- 4 areas: descriptions (example what do), resources (references), examples (code, inline, linked to), test suites/test cases (like what chris is creating)
- 16:12:45 [wendy]
- apply this framework to W3C technologies.
- 16:12:56 [wendy]
- luckily, other techs have test suites (css, svg)
- 16:13:07 [wendy]
- and working groups we can coordinate with
- 16:15:39 [wendy]
- this framework can be reused by external organizations to publish techniques of their own (e.g., Adobe PDF and Macromedia Flash)
- 16:15:51 [wendy]
- test cases: steps outlined w/expected results
- 16:16:38 [wendy]
- UAAG 1.0 test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
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- UAAG 1.0 test suite for SVG: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/svg/
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- 16:19:26 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/cp0101/0101-ACCESSKEY-BUTTON.html
- 16:22:04 [wendy]
- will publish drafts in /tests
- 16:26:03 [wendy]
- action: jenae and chris take guideline 1.1 and work through the framework as a first example and to brainstorm about the framework. prototype the test framework. send to wendy for publication.
- 16:26:32 [wendy]
- next week: test framework, continue review of QA document
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- go through issues in bugzilla
- 16:27:29 [wendy]
- tech plenary agenda
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- and planning
- 16:28:38 [wendy]
- action: chris and jenae talk with colin about uaag test suite
- 16:29:49 [wendy]
- action: jenae suggestion for other information to include on test page
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- 16:30:11 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Wendy
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- -Ben
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Chris_Ridpath
- 16:30:20 [wendy]
- RRSagent, bye
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items:
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: wendy and tim to talk about open issues and moving into bugzilla [1]
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T15-41-29
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: jenae and chris take guideline 1.1 and work through the framework as a first example and to brainstorm about the framework. prototype the test framework. send to wendy for publication. [2]
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-26-03
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: chris and jenae talk with colin about uaag test suite [3]
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-28-38
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: jenae suggestion for other information to include on test page [4]
- 16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-29-49
- 16:30:27 [Zakim]
- -Lisa
- 16:30:34 [Zakim]
- -Dave_MacDonald