IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-01-14

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15:06:40 [RRSAgent]
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15:06:45 [wendy]
agenda+ QA Process doc
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agenda+ CSS Techs
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agenda+ supporting tech
15:07:02 [wendy]
agenda+ action items
15:08:25 [wendy]
zakim, take up agendum 4
15:08:25 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "action items" taken up [from wendy]
15:08:49 [wendy]
from 10 December discussion about deprecating WCAG 1.0 checkpoints
15:08:53 [wendy]
wendy: 1.3
15:08:56 [wendy]
david: 1.5
15:09:10 [wendy]
ben: client-side proxy to handle 1.5. +7.1, .2 .3
15:09:14 [wendy]
michael: ...
15:09:22 [wendy]
david: 10.5
15:09:34 [wendy]
s/10 December/17 December
15:10:03 [wendy]
wendy: check w/other staff contacts to review gateway
15:10:06 [wendy]
michael talk w/tom
15:17:27 [Zakim]
+David_D
15:18:37 [wendy]
close this agendum
15:18:58 [wendy]
zakim, take up agendum 2
15:18:58 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "CSS Techs" taken up [from wendy]
15:20:02 [wendy]
CSS 2.1 is a working draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
15:21:47 [wendy]
CSS 3: modules are at various stages. some Working Draft, some Last Call WD, some Candidate Recommendation
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CSS 2.1 is a Last Call WD
15:22:41 [wendy]
CSS3 likely to implemented as profiles to cover diff modules
15:23:25 [wendy]
What role would CSS play in a combination of technologies that would satisfy WCAG?
15:24:09 [wendy]
Assume that goal of latest xml draft (for css techs) is to have the same format as HTML techniques.
15:24:58 [wendy]
ack Lisa
15:25:05 [wendy]
overlap with PF?
15:28:10 [wendy]
is css deprecating aural css? voice wg working on ssml and other speech techs.
15:30:18 [wendy]
aural are not widely supported now. mark as future techniques. since css3 is still under development, css 2.1 is what to shoot for.
15:30:48 [Zakim]
-David_D
15:37:24 [wendy]
making proposals: send them to the list
15:37:40 [wendy]
what needs to be done: add missing techniques, cleaning up existing ones, addressing editorial notes
15:38:03 [wendy]
addressing open issues (wendy will move old issues into bugzilla)
15:41:29 [wendy]
action: wendy and tim to talk about open issues and moving into bugzilla
15:42:43 [wendy]
close this agendum
15:43:06 [wendy]
zakim, take up agendum 3
15:43:06 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "supporting tech" taken up [from wendy]
15:43:45 [wendy]
CSS always a supporting tech. html could host svg and css. svg could host css (and HTML?)
15:44:27 [wendy]
therefore, some technologies could either be host or supporting
15:44:31 [wendy]
are these the right terms?
15:44:38 [wendy]
host and supporting
15:45:37 [wendy]
what are we trying to achieve using these terms?
15:45:55 [wendy]
separate content from presentation
15:46:18 [wendy]
using css as supporting technology is a way to satisfy that
15:47:48 [wendy]
diff: can the content stand alone?
15:48:05 [wendy]
for HTML, if css not there, content still works. however, cases where css adds content
15:49:39 [wendy]
svg: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/concepts.html#UsageOptions
15:51:47 [wendy]
embedded, presentation, parent
15:51:58 [wendy]
presentation - only css?
15:52:05 [wendy]
xslt - not worried about transformation
15:52:15 [wendy]
xsl:fo - presentation
15:55:26 [wendy]
embedded, style, parent
15:56:52 [wendy]
why have general css techs if have css support for every parent technology?
15:57:39 [wendy]
ack Dave
16:01:41 [Zakim]
-Tim_Boland
16:03:07 [wendy]
close this agendum
16:03:12 [wendy]
take up agendum 1
16:03:23 [wendy]
guideline 4: have we determined our framework?
16:03:46 [wendy]
currently: task, examples, resources
16:04:24 [wendy]
could also include: inline examples (e.g., image with alt-text), mp3 recordings of screen reader
16:05:32 [wendy]
4 areas: descriptions (example what do), resources (references), examples (code, inline, linked to), test suites/test cases (like what chris is creating)
16:12:45 [wendy]
apply this framework to W3C technologies.
16:12:56 [wendy]
luckily, other techs have test suites (css, svg)
16:13:07 [wendy]
and working groups we can coordinate with
16:15:39 [wendy]
this framework can be reused by external organizations to publish techniques of their own (e.g., Adobe PDF and Macromedia Flash)
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test cases: steps outlined w/expected results
16:16:38 [wendy]
UAAG 1.0 test suite: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
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UAAG 1.0 test suite for SVG: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/svg/
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16:19:26 [wendy]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/cp0101/0101-ACCESSKEY-BUTTON.html
16:22:04 [wendy]
will publish drafts in /tests
16:26:03 [wendy]
action: jenae and chris take guideline 1.1 and work through the framework as a first example and to brainstorm about the framework. prototype the test framework. send to wendy for publication.
16:26:32 [wendy]
next week: test framework, continue review of QA document
16:26:59 [wendy]
go through issues in bugzilla
16:27:29 [wendy]
tech plenary agenda
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and planning
16:28:38 [wendy]
action: chris and jenae talk with colin about uaag test suite
16:29:49 [wendy]
action: jenae suggestion for other information to include on test page
16:29:59 [ChrisR]
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16:30:11 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
16:30:12 [Zakim]
-Wendy
16:30:12 [Zakim]
-Ben
16:30:13 [Zakim]
-[Microsoft]
16:30:14 [Zakim]
-Chris_Ridpath
16:30:20 [wendy]
RRSagent, bye
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items:
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ACTION: wendy and tim to talk about open issues and moving into bugzilla [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T15-41-29
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: jenae and chris take guideline 1.1 and work through the framework as a first example and to brainstorm about the framework. prototype the test framework. send to wendy for publication. [2]
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-26-03
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: chris and jenae talk with colin about uaag test suite [3]
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-28-38
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: jenae suggestion for other information to include on test page [4]
16:30:20 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/01/14-wai-wcag-irc#T16-29-49
16:30:27 [Zakim]
-Lisa
16:30:34 [Zakim]
-Dave_MacDonald