IRC log of tagmem on 2003-02-08
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- 00:00:18 [Ian]
 - ===
 
- 00:02:11 [Ian]
 - TB proposal: Delete "Fortunately....to end of 2.1"
 
- 00:02:16 [Ian]
 - s/2.1/2.1.1
 
- 00:02:25 [Ian]
 - CL: There are examples there.
 
- 00:02:56 [Ian]
 - TB: Add an example to the second paragraph to illustrate that point.
 
- 00:04:16 [Ian]
 - Proposal: Make third bullet third para and delete the rest.
 
- 00:04:36 [Ian]
 - TB: The point is that people want to determine that two resources are the same; not currently part of Web arch; people are working on this.
 
- 00:05:04 [Ian]
 - TBL: I'd like to see the various levels of equivalence stated more clearly.
 
- 00:06:40 [Ian]
 - TBL: Please say that you can't tell that two resources different; but that in some situations you can tell that they are the same.
 
- 00:06:57 [Ian]
 - TB: I think that's covered elsewhere.
 
- 00:07:05 [Ian]
 - TBL: The URI draft should not talk about HTTP equivalence.
 
- 00:09:03 [Ian]
 - TB proposed:
 
- 00:09:21 [Ian]
 -  - Move some of DanC's slides to this section (or elsewhere).
 
- 00:09:27 [Ian]
 -  - Make bullet 3 its own para
 
- 00:09:43 [Ian]
 -  - TB to produce new URI EQ draft, possibly pulling DanC slide material
 
- 00:09:48 [Ian]
 - ----
 
- 00:09:58 [DanC_jam]
 - for ref, take-aways from my presentation: [[
 
- 00:09:59 [DanC_jam]
 - 1. If you mean the same thing, say it the same way.
 
- 00:10:00 [DanC_jam]
 - 2. When choosing names for distinct things, choose clearly distinct names
 
- 00:10:00 [DanC_jam]
 - 3. Absolute URIs* are the basis of comparison
 
- 00:10:00 [DanC_jam]
 - * w/optional fragments
 
- 00:10:00 [DanC_jam]
 - 4. Clients/consumers should not usurp servers'/providers' naming rights
 
- 00:10:01 [DanC_jam]
 - ]]
 
- 00:10:14 [Roy]
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- 00:10:16 [Ian]
 - ---
 
- 00:10:30 [Ian]
 - 2.2.1 comparing identifiers.
 
- 00:11:02 [Ian]
 - TB: Propose to shorten this and reference finding.
 
- 00:11:42 [Ian]
 - TB Proposed at beginning of 2.2: "URIs exist to identify resources. The two operations that can be performed on them are to compare them and to dereference them."
 
- 00:11:47 [Ian]
 - RF: Doesn't google use them for other things?
 
- 00:12:52 [Ian]
 - RF: What about "establish relationships"?
 
- 00:14:06 [DanC_jam]
 - changing "The two primary" to "Two primay..." would do it for me.
 
- 00:14:41 [Ian]
 - IJ: Primary operations may depend on who is doing what. For author, "create links". For spec writer, "Define data type", etc.
 
- 00:14:54 [Ian]
 - IJ: These are also operations on URIs that are about Web arch.
 
- 00:17:19 [Chris]
 - ok but say 'uri reference' and then you can do a syntax check on it ....
 
- 00:17:54 [Ian]
 - IJ: What if we recast this section as "The good thing about the Web is that there are (at least) two useful things that you can do on a URI..."
 
- 00:18:56 [Ian]
 - IJ: I"ll take a whack at this..
 
- 00:19:07 [timbl]
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- 00:19:14 [Ian]
 - [Try to make this less contraining.]
 
- 00:19:33 [timbl]
 - Two important operations on URIs are
 
- 00:20:23 [Ian]
 - TB: Delete first para of "2.2.4. Consistent representations"
 
- 00:20:56 [Ian]
 - DC: The para means to say "Whatever you get back from the HTTP Server is 'correct'"
 
- 00:22:16 [Ian]
 - DC: The world has agreed that what you get back is a valid representation.
 
- 00:22:33 [Ian]
 - TB: Is there such a thing as an invalid representation?
 
- 00:25:44 [DanC_jam]
 - ACTION Connolly: attempt a redrafting of 1st para under 2.2.4
 
- 00:27:54 [Roy]
 - http://www.isr.uci.edu/
 
- 00:27:55 [DanC_jam]
 - RESOLVED: to thank http://www.isr.uci.edu/
 
- 00:28:02 [Ian]
 - IJ: I think we are missing a clear statement of where were are trying to get by the end of section 2. Why are we talking so much about meaning/equivalence/identity? What is the value/importance of being able to say that two resources are the same, or that the meaning of the resource is such and such?
 
- 00:28:12 [Ian]
 - SW: That's why we need a conceptual model up front....
 
- 00:28:18 [Ian]
 - ADJOURNED
 
- 00:28:30 [Ian]
 - RRSAgent, stop