IRC log of rdfcore on 2003-01-31
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- zakim, this will be rdfc
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- ok, AaronSw
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- em has changed the topic to: rdfcore 2002-01-31 teleconference
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- Zakim, ??P8 is ILRT
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- +ILRT; got it
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- Zakim, ILRT has DaveB
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- +DaveB; got it
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- Zakim, ??p19 is bwm
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- +Bwm; got it
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- +EMiller
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- Zakim, ??P20 is JosD
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- +JosD; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see ILRT, +1.850.291.aaaa, Bwm, JosD, EMiller
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- ILRT has DaveB
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, JosD, em, DaveB, AaronSw, bwm, DanCon, logger
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- +DanC
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- zakim, 1.850.291.aaaa is PatH
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- sorry, em, I do not recognize a party named '1.850.291.aaaa'
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- zakim, +1.850.291.aaaa is PatH
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- +PatH; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see ILRT, PatH, Bwm, JosD, EMiller, DanC
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- ILRT has DaveB
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- Zakim, ILRT has JanG
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- +JanG; got it
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- +PatrickS
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- regrets DanB, FrankM, GrahamK
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- agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0230.html
- 15:05:11 [DanCon]
- FYI about WebOnt pubs
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- AOB from DanC
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- zakim, who is talking?
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- em, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bwm (40%)
- 15:05:55 [DanCon]
- we're likely to publish all our OWL drafts Monday. NOT last call.
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- -ILRT
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- regrets for next Fri; I'll be at a TAG ftf.
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- jan volunteers
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- then killed the phone ... ;)
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- Volunteer Scribe next week: JanG
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- Zakim, ??P8 is ILRT
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- +ILRT; got it
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- zakim, +??P22 is jjc
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- sorry, em, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
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- ===== 5: Minutes of 2003-01-24 telecon
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- zakim, ??P22 is jjc
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- +Jjc; got it
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- Zakim, ILRT has DaveB,JanG
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- +DaveB, JanG; got it
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- JanG send regrets
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- minutes approved
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- =========== 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
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- completed
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- ======== 7: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
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- em's action continued as well as danbris's
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- graph?
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- ========== 8: Handling last call comments.
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- ack danc
- 15:09:27 [Zakim]
- DanCon, you wanted to ask graph?
- 15:10:01 [JosD]
- ACTION Brian put lcc application code in CVS
- 15:10:59 [jang]
- [if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
- 15:11:01 [JosD]
- how much editorial discretion should there be?
- 15:12:06 [jang]
- ah, that's how you do it
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- each editor keeps a list of changes
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- link back to the original message
- 15:12:39 [jang]
- q+ to ask [if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
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- editors role to bring stuff back to the group
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- ack jang
- 15:14:39 [Zakim]
- Jang, you wanted to ask [if it hasn't been addressed yet - couldn't find it in last week's minutes - which document do we update as we go along?
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- ack danc
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- jjc: strip list in editors draft for PR and one can still look into editors draft
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- +AaronSw
- 15:16:41 [DaveB]
- reminds me, the mime type I-D needs renewing RSN
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- expires Feb sometime?
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- danc: these are the changes for LC and say to director they are all editorial
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- (otherwise another LC)
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- Zakim, who is here
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- JosD, you need to end that query with '?'
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- media: hm, good point
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- Zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see PatH, Bwm, JosD, EMiller, DanC, PatrickS, ILRT, Jjc, AaronSw
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- ILRT has DaveB, JanG
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- On IRC I see jang, RRSAgent, Zakim, JosD, em, DaveB, AaronSw, bwm, DanCon, logger
- 15:18:09 [DaveB]
- AaronSw: expires 21 Feb says http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-swartz-rdfcore-rdfxml-mediatype-01
- 15:18:36 [DanCon]
- clarification: "editorial" meaning minor, i.e. reviewers would agree "yes, my review still applies after those changes have been made"
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- process handling comments via www-rdf-comments
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- s/process/process of/
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- no other issues
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- q+
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- JanG: which document to update
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- bwm: new editors draft
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- DanC: not a good idea, strong preference to have them in CVS
- 15:25:19 [jang]
- my intention: to update the copy of TR document under rdfcore/TR/ as required, respond to queries with the diff.
- 15:25:40 [JosD]
- ... one commit per week and the one underneath the WG directory
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- ... DanC prefers in place
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- em: published docs were modified. ensure the REAL TR documents go under the rdfcore/TR doc
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- make sure ther's an cvs up first prior to edits!
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- em: make sure to checkout first
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- ACTION: Brian to update the WG page link
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- ... to editors drafts
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- ============= 9: FAQ: Relationship to XML Family of specs
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- volunteers?
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- ... to do the update
- 15:29:57 [DanCon]
- http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-validating-embedded-rdf
- 15:30:54 [AaronSw]
- danc, we're discussing rdf and xml, not rdf and html
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- bwm: there is a chartered deliverable
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- * provide an account of the relationship between RDF and the XML family of technologies (particularly Schemas and Infoset/Query)
- 15:32:41 [JosD]
- from charter http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCoreWGCharter
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- this will be continued
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- ========== 11: Comments Review
- 15:33:52 [DanCon]
- I don't think danc-01 is ready for WG discussion. I'd prefer to continue negotiating with the editor.
- 15:34:15 [DaveB]
- I thought we were discussing danc-02 ?
- 15:34:56 [DanCon]
- sorry, yes, danc-02 isn't ready for WG discussion.
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- ======== 11: Comments Review
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- this is item 10, JosD
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- Time:
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- 10:00:00 Fri Jan 31 2003 in America/New York duration 60 minutes
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- which is equivalent to
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- 15:00:00 Fri Dec 31 2003 in Europe/London
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- Phone: +1-617-761-6200 (Zakim)#7332
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- irc: irc.w3.org #rdfcore
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- 1: Scribe Jos this week
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- 2: Roll Call
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- 3: Review Agenda
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- 4: Next telecon 07 Feb 2003
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- Volunteer Scribe
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- 5: Minutes of 2003-01-24 telecon
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- See:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0207.html
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- 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
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- ACTION: 2003-01-17#6 ericM
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- publish the last call WDs and Lbase Note
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- ACTION: 2003-01-24#1 jjc
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- Send msg to I18N asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
- 15:37:00 [DaveB]
- uh oh
- 15:37:01 [JosD]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0113.html
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- ACTION: 2003-01-24#2 bwm
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- Send msg to XML Schema WG asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0084.html
- 15:37:10 [JosD]
- ACTION: 2003-01-24#3 bwm
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- Send msg to uri@w3.org asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0147.html
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- ACTION: 2003-01-24#8 patrickS
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- logger, kick JosD
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- Send msg to UAProf asking for relevant LC review
- 15:37:21 [logger]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'kick JosD', AaronSw. Try /msg logger help
- 15:37:22 [JosD]
- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0081.html
- 15:37:26 [JosD]
- ACTION: 2003-01-24#9 patrickS
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- Send msg to Open EBook Forum asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0082.html
- 15:37:35 [JosD]
- ACTION: 2002-01-24#11 bwm
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- send announcement to chairs list
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0176.html
- 15:37:43 [JosD]
- ACTION: 2003-01-24#12 jjc
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- Send msg to XML C14N WG asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0114.html
- 15:37:50 [JosD]
- ACTION: 2003-01-24#13 bwm
- 15:37:52 [JosD]
- Send msg to RDF interest asking for relevant LC review
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- see:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2003Jan/0161.html
- 15:37:58 [JosD]
- 7: Soliciting Last Call Reviews
- 15:38:00 [JosD]
- 2003-01-24#4 em Send msg to David of XMLP asking for relevant LC review
- 15:38:02 [JosD]
- 2003-01-24#5 danbri Send msg to SVG asking for relevant LC review
- 15:38:04 [JosD]
- 2003-01-24#6 danbri Send msg to XHTML WG asking for relevant LC review
- 15:38:07 [JosD]
- 2003-01-24#7 danbri Send msg to RDF IG about LC
- 15:38:08 [JosD]
- 2003-01-24#10 danbri remind RSS people to send their comments to
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- www-rdf-comments
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-
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- 8: Handling last call comments.
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- Comments on comment tracking documents:
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/issues.rdf
- 15:38:22 [JosD]
- What to do with the app source code?
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- DanC suggests editors discretion to make editorial corrections
- 15:38:26 [JosD]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0214.html
- 15:38:28 [JosD]
- Patrick suggests WG should review whether it considers issue editorial
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- jang: danc just reads out the contents of jang-01
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- ACTION: to review JanG proposed text for testcases
- 15:39:59 [jang]
- bwm: accepted?
- 15:40:20 [jang]
- ok, cheers
- 15:40:52 [JosD]
- [jang-01] resolved with consensus
- 15:41:03 [jang]
- ACTION: jang to create test case for jang-01 and send details to jos
- 15:43:30 [DanCon]
- no, Brian, we (the WG) doesn't need to decide a disposion of every comment. Only those that raise substantive issues.
- 15:45:01 [DanCon]
- ah... now I see what you mean by "every comment"; it's "every comment that resulted in an issue". yes, we have to decide all those.
- 15:45:52 [JosD]
- ======= 11: Comments Review
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- JanG volunteers to make weekly trawl through rdf comments and check we aren't dropping any.
- 15:47:03 [JosD]
- bmw: this is a big help!
- 15:47:25 [AaronSw]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0170
- 15:47:27 [bwm]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20030123-issues/
- 15:47:51 [AaronSw]
- quoting from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0128.html
- 15:48:19 [JosD]
- jeremy: take e.g. reagle-01
- 15:49:43 [JosD]
- DanC: 1. yes the dsign is goofy, but here are the 3 testcases
- 15:50:00 [JosD]
- DanC: 2. here is a design change
- 15:50:31 [JosD]
- Path: be careful here, may influence other documents
- 15:52:55 [DanCon]
- "oh, Jeremy's only moaning at .3dB this week. We're good to go."
- 15:52:57 [DanCon]
- ;-)
- 15:52:59 [JosD]
- ========= 12: XML Schema 1.1 Requirements
- 15:53:09 [jang]
- q+ aside, if we sort out process would a 10-point bulletted list of "this is how we successfgully ran our LC process" be helpful to the wider w3c?
- 15:53:40 [jang]
- zakim, if you understand the nature of teh syntactic error I made then you bloody well ought to try supplying my missing punctuation. imho
- 15:53:41 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'if you understand the nature of teh syntactic error I made then you bloody well ought to try supplying my missing punctuation. imho', jang
- 15:54:44 [JosD]
- Jeremy: made 2 desiderata
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- Jeremy: those were made personally; asking for WG blessing; there could be a 3rd one
- 15:56:23 [jang]
- q+ to mention that meta-issue as AOB when everything else is done (as AOB, brian)
- 15:56:50 [AaronSw]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0163.html
- 15:57:17 [AaronSw]
- danc proposes to endorse the second comment in above
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- (on first class objects)
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- RESOLVED: endorse the First class objects (RQ-23)
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- ... with consensus
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- ACTION: Jeremy to report back XML Schema 1.1 Requirements RQ-23
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- -ILRT
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- -PatH
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- -PatrickS
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- -Bwm
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- -EMiller
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- meeting ADJOURNED
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- -Jjc
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- -DanC
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