IRC log of ws-cg on 2003-06-03

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[hugo]
Zakim, this will be WS
[Zakim]
ok, hugo; I see WS_WSCG()1:00PM scheduled to start now
[hugo]
RRSAgent, where am I?
[RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-00-35
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has now started
[Marsh]
Zakim, Jonathan_Marsh is Marsh
[hugo]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2003Jun/0003.html
agenda+ Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC
agenda+ Review agenda
agenda+ Review action items
agenda+ Reports from other CGs
agenda+ Proposed action from Hugo re. joint Tech Plenary with OASIS
agenda+ WSD WG & GGF co-ordination
agenda+ WSIG proposal
Zakim, agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
1. Roll and minutes to be recorded in IRC [from hugo]
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
3. Review action items [from hugo]
4. Reports from other CGs [from hugo]
5. Proposed action from Hugo re. joint Tech Plenary with OASIS [from hugo]
6. WSD WG & GGF co-ordination [from hugo]
7. WSIG proposal [from hugo]
[hugo]
ACTION: Hugo to send reminder about WSCG calls
[Marsh]
David: Don't really have quorum again -same folks as last week.
Hugo: Would like a sense of those present on the WSIG proposal.
... Even that would help.
David: Will make our recommendations and give them to the end of the week to object.
... them = WSA and WSChor chairs.
Zakim, who's on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Marsh, Hugo, Michael, David_Fallside, EMiller
[Marsh]
AIs:
First still pending.
Second still pending.
[hugo]
ACTION: Arch & Chor chairs to poll their members for input to Schema on subset idea, or send a link to the CG showing that this has been done. [PENDING]
[davidF]
ACTION: Arch & Chor chairs to poll their members for input to XML Core on subset idea, or send a link to the CG showing that this has been done..
ACTION: WSCG to track progress of SOAP12 in WSDL11 enviroment activities within XMLP and WSD WGs
ACTION: JM and DF to poll their WG's re volunteers for evaluating SOAPBldrs SOAP12/WSDL11, ~ 2week eval timeframe
action 5 is done ...
WSD WG expects to work on SOAP 12 binding after finishing some issues they are currently working on, then to Last Call
[Marsh]
ACTION 5
[MSM]
action 5 =
[hugo]
ACTION- 5
Zakim, close agendum 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
3. Review action items [from hugo]
[Marsh]
Fifth action (JM) done.
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
4. Reports from other CGs [from hugo]
[hugo]
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4. Reports from other CGs
RRSAgent, where am I?
[RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-20-29
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agendum 4
[Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
5. Proposed action from Hugo re. joint Tech Plenary with OASIS [from hugo]
[MSM]
HH: Oasis proposed a joint WS technical plenary, with both W3C and Oasis groups meeting together,
around XML 2003 conference in December.
[davidF]
re. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2003Jun/0001.html
[MSM]
At this point, just an idea. W3M wants to know whether WS WGs are interested.
DF: is this a good idea?
JM: Desc is amenable. We have a ftf in November, so December sounds a bit odd wrt to timing.
But maybe a two-day Desc meeting focused solely on coordination with the other groups?
So if we get lower turnout than at other ftfs, it won't be the end of the world. in addition to regular meeting schedule
MC: I understand suggestion to be having a meeting of the IG? HH: no, meeting co-located with other W3C and Oasis groups, adjacent to XML 2003, Phila, Dec.
MC: like JM, I would expect diminished attendance, but I'd be happy to do it. I'll put it to the WG.
SRT: we've invited the Oasis BPEL TC chairs to our meeting, so in principle we seem to be on board.
Until we've actually met together with them, however, it's still not clear whether it's a good thing or a can of worms.
DF: so you'll know then whether it's a good idea or not.
DF: from XMLP pov, this is the first we've heard of it. I'll put it to WG tomorrow.
[Marsh]
ACTION: Chairs to get feedback from their groups on the idea of a WS W3C/OASIS tech plenary in Dec.
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
[MSM]
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[Zakim]
6. WSD WG & GGF co-ordination [from hugo]
[MSM]
JM: I asked Danny to review it; have not heard back.
[davidF]
charter at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state/2003May/0007.html
[MSM]
ACTION: DF to put final review of this coordination gropu on next agenda
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agendum 6
[Zakim]
agendum 6 closed
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
7. WSIG proposal [from hugo]
[hugo]
Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2003Jun/0002.html
[Marsh]
David: Hugo, summary please?
[MSM]
HH: we've been approached in lots of fora suggesting we should look at Semantic Web Services.
... Eventually, it became clear there was interest in a less formal forum for discussion of WS issues generally.
... One characterization: a group able to help do an RDF mapping.
... One characterization: a group able to help ____ do an RDF mapping.
[Marsh]
____ = WS Desc WG
[MSM]
... BOF at tech plenary discussed this, and we have presented proposal to CG several times, resulting in the current proposed charter (see URL above)
Review deliverables of W3C and non-W3C working groups related to Web services.
Discuss implementation and deployment of Web services and Web services technologies.
Explore new fields of use for Web services.
Explore pre-standardisation research issues for next-generation Web services, e.g. relationship with autonomous agent technology, distributed query protocols, etc.
Share experiences with creation and deployment of Web services created using SOAP, WSDL, REST, RDF and other Semantic Web technologi
technologies (e.g. DAML-S), and others.
Discuss appropriate use of Semantic Web technologies in the discovery, composition, relocatability and other aspects of Web services needs.
Provide guidance and advice, when requested, to the Web services Working Groups on charter requirements for mapping to RDF languages.
HH: on 13 May, we presented the then draft, which elicited comments:
- the nature of the IG was to explore new things; this needed to be clearer
- more motivation needed; we've added some text
- need to show relation to Arch WG.
[hugo]
http://www.w3.org/2003/03/wsig-charter.html#Coordination
[MSM]
[HH reads text]
HH: we believe CG's concerns have all been addressed.
DF: any questions? thoughts? SRT: only positive ones. I have use cases to justify this right now.
SRT: for financial services, some aspects of WS are too low-level; this could help.
Particularly wrt searching for Web services, based on complex behavioral types.
EM: what he said. Plus (from pov of AC member), can we review relation to Arch again?
HH: a concrete example: when Arch WG started work on Management, lots of work was done by a TF.
A good part of TF's report was felt to be out of scope for Arch, because too detailed for an Arch document.
TF wanted to continue the discussion.
The IG would be a good place for such exploratory work.
The discussion might result in comments on / issues against the Arch document.
But IG discussions may be fairly different from those of Arch WG.
Arch WG is discussing core concepts and properties; IG discussions I expect to be much more appication-oriented high-level.
JM: seems harmless enough.
[davidF]
k
[Zakim]
em, you wanted to ask again about interactions with ws-arch?
[davidF]
DF: wants to know whether this should be called Semantic Web/Web Svcs IG?
.... given that most motivation seems to come from SW
SW2S
[em]
S2W2
[davidF]
WS2W
[em]
&putnamehere; - IG
i agree with MSM
[SRT]
Happy to take Hugo's name as long as mission stmt reflects the SW stuff
[hugo]
Proposal:
- go forward with proposal with the folloming modification:
- change name to Web Services Semantic Web IG
- set of people wanting a more general spin: MSM , EM, HH
PROPOSAL ACCEPTED
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[hugo]
ADJOURNED
RRSAgent, please excuse us
[RRSAgent]
I see 7 open action items:
ACTION: Hugo to send reminder about WSCG calls [1]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-09-37
ACTION: Arch & Chor chairs to poll their members for input to Schema on subset idea, or send a link to the CG showing that this has been done. [PENDING] [2]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-13-14
ACTION: Arch & Chor chairs to poll their members for input to XML Core on subset idea, or send a link to the CG showing that this has been done.. [3]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-13-27
ACTION: WSCG to track progress of SOAP12 in WSDL11 enviroment activities within XMLP and WSD WGs [4]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-13-35
ACTION: Hugo to update calendar with f2f dates (and maybe look at RDF calendaring stuff again?) [6]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-26-09
ACTION: Chairs to get feedback from their groups on the idea of a WS W3C/OASIS tech plenary in Dec. [7]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-36-48
ACTION: DF to put final review of this coordination gropu on next agenda [8]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/03-ws-cg-irc#T17-38-48