IRC log of ws-cg on 2002-12-10

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[hugo]
Zakim, this is WS
[Zakim]
ok, hugo
[hugo]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Jonathan_Marsh
[Marsh]
Zakim, Jonathan_Marsh is me
[hugo]
RRSAgent, where am I?
[RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-01-45
[em]
X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/OFF107ACE1.A45D8B6C-ON88256C8B.003FC71E@us.ibm.com
[hugo]
a.k.a. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0004.html
agenda+ Roll to be recorded in IRC
agenda+ Review agenda
agenda+ Review action items
agenda+ Report from XML CG
agenda+ Report from (i) WSA and (ii) W3C team members on status of Choreography, post AC meeting.
agenda+ The capitalisation game, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0000.html
agenda+ Report on XMLP WG post SOAP 1.2, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html
[Marsh]
agenda+ desc/arch ftfs (May, July)
[hugo]
Zakim, what is the agenda?
[Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
1. Roll to be recorded in IRC [from hugo]
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
3. Review action items [from hugo]
4. Report from XML CG [from hugo]
5. Report from (i) WSA and (ii) W3C team members on status of Choreography, post AC meeting. [from hugo]
6. The capitalisation game, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0000.html [from hugo]
7. Report on XMLP WG post SOAP 1.2, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html [from hugo]
8. desc/arch ftfs (May, July) [from Marsh]
[hugo]
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1. Roll to be recorded in IRC [from hugo]
[em]
zakim, take up agendum 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1. "Roll to be recorded in IRC" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
[Zakim]
On the phone I see Marsh, EMiller, Hugo
[hugo]
done!
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Zakim, close agendum 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[em]
zakim, take up agendum 3
zakim, take up agendum 2
[Zakim]
agendum 3. "Review action items" taken up [from hugo]
agendum 2. "Review agenda" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
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Zakim, close agendum 1
[Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[hugo]
zakim, take up agendum 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3. "Review action items" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination. [PENDING]
DONE: Hugo to send email to Lorrie directing her about her issue in WSArch
[Marsh]
agenda+ next meeting date?
[hugo]
ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call [PENDING]
HH: limit of WSDWG description?
JM: need to look into that
EM: it is about describing WS themselves; close to the work that the SW is doing
... describing objects, etc
... started talking with DH about this privately
... agree with JM. the Architecture document should describe services beyond their interfaces
HH: Frank McCabe started talking about semantics and the WSAWG agreed that semantics were needed
... this will happen, but maybe not quite yet
EM: are the WS WGs meeting at the tech plenary?
HH&JM: yes, both Desc & Arch
JM: will there be an RDF group around?
EM: yes, and describing Web services is something we are interested in
... when is the next round of WSA pub?
HH: early Feb, I guess
EM: let's keep the action item as is; it is fuzzy, but hopefully will become clearer
[ discussions of scheduling details ]
JM: Thursday morning could be a joint session with WSAWG
ACTION 2 = DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call (note: try and schedule a joint session with RDF folks at TP) [PENDING]
DONE: David to remind team contact to pursue rechartering.
HH: in progress
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Zakim, close agendum 3
[Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
2. Review agenda [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, close agendum 2
[Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
4. Report from XML CG [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 4
[Zakim]
agendum 4. "Report from XML CG" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
EM was there; nothing relevant to report
HH: what about a SWCG report?
EM: would be happy too
ACTION: Hugo to notify WSCG to put SWCG report on the agenda on a regular basis
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Zakim, close agendum 4
[Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
5. Report from (i) WSA and (ii) W3C team members on status of Choreography, post AC meeting. [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5. "Report from (i) WSA and (ii) W3C team members on status of Choreography, post AC meeting." taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
HH: WSA: nothing to report
... review period 12 Dec
... forecasting decision early next year
... will ping indivdually main stakeholders to get an answer
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Zakim, close agendum 5
[Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
6. The capitalisation game, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0000.html [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 6
[Zakim]
agendum 6. "The capitalisation game, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0000.html" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
HH: not many people unfortunately
JM: the question is: how should [Ww]eb [Ss]ervices?
... asked ourselves the question while preparing new publication
... glossary's capitalization *very* inconsistent
... we would like the WSAWG to update the glossary, and we will use the result or submit a comment
... WSDWG's preference is WS
... WSAWG's preference is Ws
... WSDWG will go ahead for next publication with WS
ACTION: Hugo to make sure that capitalization is taken into account in the glossary
JM: maybe you should start by converting everything to lower case
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Zakim, close agendum 6
[Zakim]
agendum 6 closed
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
7. Report on XMLP WG post SOAP 1.2, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html [from hugo]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 7
[Zakim]
agendum 7. "Report on XMLP WG post SOAP 1.2, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html" taken up [from hugo]
[hugo]
JM: from last meeting, we wanted the XMLPWG to talk to WSAWG
HH: WSAWG is discussing what the next big thing is
JM: the charter of the WSAWG doesn't explicitely say that they should propose new work
... if the XMLPWG wants to continue work, a more detailed proposal should be sent
HH: what is missing from the message is whether they want to do it themselves
ACTION: Hugo to put http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html back on the agenda next time
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Zakim, close agendum 7
[Zakim]
agendum 7 closed
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
8. desc/arch ftfs (May, July) [from Marsh]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 8
[Zakim]
agendum 8. "desc/arch ftfs (May, July)" taken up [from Marsh]
[hugo]
JM: Plan was Canon in France in May during the week of the 12th and then week of 7th July in Toronto by IBM
... both offers are firm
ACTION: JM to send mail to both groups to get an answer fast
JM: need to finalize fast
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Zakim, close agendum 8
[Zakim]
agendum 8 closed
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
9. next meeting date? [from Marsh]
[hugo]
Zakim, take up agendum 9
[Zakim]
agendum 9. "next meeting date?" taken up [from Marsh]
[hugo]
12/24 cancelled
Next call: 1/7/3
[Zakim]
WS_WSCG()1:00PM has ended
[hugo]
Zakim, please excuse us
RRSAgent, please excuse us
[RRSAgent]
I see 6 open action items:
ACTION: DF to invite Kelvin to next wscg telcon to report on OASIS/Securit/W3C co-ordination. [PENDING] [1]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-09-00
ACTION: DaveH to review status of description (metadata, etc) work at post-f2f CG call (note: try and schedule a joint session with RDF folks at TP) [PENDING] [2]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-10-52
ACTION: Hugo to notify WSCG to put SWCG report on the agenda on a regular basis [3]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-27-40
ACTION: Hugo to make sure that capitalization is taken into account in the glossary [4]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-38-16
ACTION: Hugo to put http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2002Dec/0003.html back on the agenda next time [5]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-48-39
ACTION: JM to send mail to both groups to get an answer fast [6]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/12/10-ws-cg-irc#T18-53-34