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15:00:48 <TimBL> RRSAgent, help
15:00:49 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:00:49 <DanC> See http://www.w3.org/2002/03/04-tagmem-irc#T15-00-49
15:03:31 <DanC> * Paul's notes from Technical Plenary TAG session Paul Cotton (Thu, Feb 28 2002)
15:03:31 <DanC>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2002Feb/0077.html
15:11:53 <DanC> Zakim, this will be tag
15:11:54 <Zakim> ok, DanC
15:22:22 <DanC> "In addition, a report on the discussions at the workshop will be made public after the meeting." -- http://www.w3.org/XML/2001/07/XMLPM.html
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15:28:37 <TimBL> Zakim, this is TAG
15:28:38 <Zakim> sorry, TimBL, I do not see a conference named 'TAG'
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15:28:58 <TimBL> ooops
15:29:08 <DanCon> oops;
15:29:11 <DanCon> see you in the telcon.
15:29:28 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()10:30AM has now started
15:29:32 <Zakim> +TimBL
15:29:36 <TimBL> Zakim, this is TAG
15:29:37 <Zakim> ok, TimBL
15:29:40 <Zakim> +??P5
15:30:10 <TimBL> Zakim, ??P5 is Stuart
15:30:11 <Zakim> +Stuart; got it
15:30:17 <TimBL> Zakim, who is here?
15:30:18 <Zakim> I see TimBL, Stuart
15:30:39 <Zakim> +DanC
15:31:00 <Zakim> +ChrisL
15:31:55 <DanCon> frap; my ssh tunnel is acting up
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15:32:15 <Zakim> +??P8
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15:32:43 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?
15:32:44 <Zakim> I see TimBL, Stuart, DanC, ChrisL, ??P6, ??P8
15:32:54 <TimBL> Zakim, ??P6 is PaulC
15:32:55 <Zakim> +PaulC; got it
15:33:05 <Roy> I need the phone number
15:33:20 <DanCon> tel:+1.617.761.6200
15:33:22 <Stuart> +1 617 761 6200 I think
15:33:28 <Stuart> then 0824#
15:33:40 <Zakim> + +1.604.873.aaaa
15:33:41 <TimBL> Zakim, ??P8 is Norm
15:33:42 <Zakim> +Norm; got it
15:33:57 <TimBL> Zakim, 604 is TimBray
15:33:58 <Zakim> sorry, TimBL, I do not recognize a party named '604'
15:34:05 <DanCon> Zakim,  +1.604.873.aaaa is TimBray
15:34:06 <Zakim> +TimBray; got it
15:34:06 <Zakim> +??P10
15:34:11 <TimBL> Zakim, +1.604 is TimBray
15:34:12 <Zakim> sorry, TimBL, I do not recognize a party named '+1.604'
15:34:24 <DanCon> Zakim, ??P10 is RoyF
15:34:25 <Zakim> +RoyF; got it
15:34:30 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?
15:34:30 <TimBL> Zakim, who isn't here?
15:34:31 <Zakim> I see TimBL, Stuart, DanC, ChrisL, PaulC, Norm, TimBray, RoyF
15:34:31 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, TimBL.
15:34:47 <DanCon> regrets from IanJ
15:34:59 <DanCon> ========== Convene
15:35:02 <DanCon> Zakim, who's here?
15:35:03 <Zakim> I see TimBL, Stuart, DanC, ChrisL, PaulC, Norm, TimBray, RoyF
15:35:23 <TimBL> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/04-tag.html
15:35:26 <DanCon> agenda etc: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/04-tag
15:35:36 <DanCon>  Last modified: $Date: 2002/03/04 23:13:28 $
15:36:40 <DanCon> [some confusion about the agenda...]
15:36:57 <DanCon> agenda+ admin, review of minutes
15:37:08 <DanCon> agenda+ * Technical Plenary - short report - issues arising?
15:37:18 <DanCon> agenda+    1. Creative writing: dividing up the TOC
15:37:32 <DanCon> agenda+     *  XML namespace issues. Mixed namespaces. Issue 13.
15:38:34 <DanCon> -------- Action review
15:38:54 <DanCon> -- XML PM workshop stuff...
15:40:18 <DanCon> http://www.w3.org/XML/2001/07/xmlpm-minutes.html
15:41:02 <DanCon> ACTION DanC: check with workshop chair, make them available to the public, per CFP
15:41:13 <DanCon> DONE: Summarize XMl PM workshop
15:41:39 <DanCon> PaulC: dan, when you're done making them public, lemme know so I can re-send to www-tag, OK?
15:41:42 <DanCon> DanCon: OK
15:41:52 <DanCon> DONE: Kick off discusiion of mixed namespace interpretation on www-tag
15:41:57 <DanCon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Feb/0190.html
15:42:11 <DanCon> --
15:42:17 <DanCon> going back to the top of the list...
15:42:29 <DanCon> "Summarize different approaches currently used for mapping URIs to media types."
15:42:34 <DanCon> not quite clear who's doing what...
15:43:03 <DanCon> ACTION RoyF CONTINUES.
15:43:33 <DanCon> from 12Feb, Paul requested to withdraw "Summarize TAG findings on using URIs: (a) use URIs when naming in context of Web (2) should be able to follow URI to explanatory material (3) software is not required to follow a URI when processing it"
15:44:15 <Zakim> +DOrchard
15:45:10 <DanCon> action comes from 15:52:56 http://www.w3.org/2002/02/12-tagmem-irc
15:45:16 <DanCon> ACTION PaulC CONTINUES.
15:45:51 <DanCon> ACTION TimBL CONTINUES: 
15:45:53 <DanCon> "Add a section on datatypes to the TAG arch doc toc."
15:45:57 <DanCon> from 12Feb.
15:46:26 <DanCon> re TBL 12 Feb "In 28 Jan findings, propose alternative wording to section on namespace-based dispatching"
15:46:32 <DanCon> ACTION TimBL CONTINUES.
15:47:49 <DanCon> ACTION TimBL CONTINUES: "In 28 Jan findings, change "Should" to "Must" where appropriate."
15:48:04 <DanCon> ACTION IJ CONTINUES: "Integrate findings into TAG arch doc toc."
15:48:25 <Stuart> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Feb/att-0102/01-uriMediaType-9.html
15:48:25 <DanCon> DONE: SW "Write up that the TAG approves of IETF draft from Don Eastlake with "http:" instead of "content-type:"."
15:49:16 <DanCon> Roy: [something...]
15:49:29 <DanCon> DONE: TBray: "Write a proposal to suggest that URNs not be used for namespace URIs."
15:50:05 <DanCon> re "Ask Philipp Hoschka to take a new HTTP requirement on idempotent POST-like method to IETF liaison teleconference. Include the XForms WG in the loop." TBL from 18Feb.
15:51:26 <DanCon> Roy: I'm not sure what this is about...
15:53:27 <DanCon> reviewing the log, it seems related to "whenToUseGet-7
15:53:28 <DanCon> "
15:53:36 <DanCon> ACTION TBL WITHDRAWN.
15:54:08 <DanCon> it came from 22:25:37 http://www.w3.org/2002/02/12-tagmem-irc
15:54:26 <DanCon> DONE: TBray: "Rewrite point 14 of Architectural Theses on Namespaces and Namespace Documents per discussion at 18 feb teleconference."
15:55:01 <DanCon> ACTION PaulC/Ian: draft summary of TAG work to date. DONE.
15:56:51 <DanCon> "Here is my draft report using my outline. ... " -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2002Mar/0002.html
15:58:06 <DanCon> TBL/DanC: style is kinda formal; be more chatty?
15:58:21 <DanCon> Roy/Bray/others: it's fine; not much meat to it yet anyway.
15:59:29 <DanCon> PROPOSED: forward summary to www-tag, w3c-ac-members, chairs@w3.org.
16:00:00 <DanCon> PaulC: I've heard requests for a separate tag announce list, FYI.
16:00:28 <DanCon> RESOLVED: forward summary to www-tag, w3c-ac-members, chairs@w3.org.
16:00:39 <DanCon> ACTION DanC: send it out.
16:00:50 <DanCon> agenda?
16:01:06 <DanCon> ======== 2. * Technical Plenary - short report - issues arising?
16:01:17 <DanCon> PaulC: "more technical stuff" is the major feedback we got.
16:02:09 <DanCon> PaulC: I think it would be interesting for the TAG to lead discussion of technical issue. have folks discuss them.
16:02:16 <DanCon> SW: yeah...
16:02:31 <DanCon> PaulC: no particular "please look at this issue" feedback.
16:03:10 <DanCon> DaveO: "document authoring" folks at a lunch table suggested that 'ease of authoring' is broken...
16:03:22 <DanCon> ChrisL: they seem to be asking for one big W3C namespace
16:04:36 <DanCon> PaulC: to summarize, again: the TAG session went so well that they asked us to run the whole thing next time.
16:04:57 <DanCon> PaulC: thanks, Norm and Dan, for the nifty presentations.
16:06:08 <TimBL> ---------------------
16:06:10 <TimBL> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/toc.html
16:06:33 <DanCon> TimBL: note it's color-coded... issues in red, ...
16:07:42 <DanCon> Bray: wasn't somebody gonna stick all the issues in there?
16:07:59 <DanCon> TBL: I did that; it was up to date at some point
16:08:49 <DanCon> RoyF: is this an index of what we're doing? or an architectural description of the web?
16:08:52 <DanCon> TBL: both
16:11:58 <DanCon> TBray: who's maitaining this? I asked for anchors, version numbers, etc. ... how about xmlspec DTD?
16:12:16 <DanCon> TBL: I'm maintaining it; I'm using Amaya, and I just hit save.
16:17:11 <DanCon> [lots of discussion, about what is not exactly clear]
16:19:50 <DanCon> Roy: ah... now I get it... the section heading for the 3rd bit misled me.
16:20:00 <DanCon> "Representational State Transfer"
16:21:37 <DanCon> TBray: how about this version/last version; keeping old version available.
16:22:17 <DanCon> TBL: I expect the blue ("working documents") bits to expand.
16:24:46 <DanCon> RoyF: so I'd like to help with the writing, but I don't see the process.
16:24:53 <DanCon> TimBL: that's what this agenda item is about...
16:25:15 <TimBL> Zakim, q?
16:25:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:25:52 <DanCon> Bray: do we expect to point the community at this page?
16:25:58 <DanCon> DanCon: we've done that much already, no?
16:26:10 <DanCon> Bray: then I'm not comfortable; it's got stuff that we've never discussed, typos, etc.
16:27:12 <DanCon> TimBL: this is very much a draft...
16:27:44 <DanCon> Bray: then please put a disclaimer at the top
16:30:03 <DanCon> [discussion of just what sort of disclaimer is appropriate/sufficient]
16:31:28 <DanCon> TimBL: I'd like to assign somebody the intro, and somebody a one-page version of each section.
16:31:37 <DanCon> [and something about slides?]
16:33:24 <DanCon> RoyF: "CHAPTER 4: Designing the Web Architecture: Problems and Insights" belongs more in the TAG intro than in the 3rd section of our docs.
16:35:42 <DanCon> [...]
16:35:58 <DanCon> DanCon: are folks backing out from using/wanting CVS?
16:36:43 <DanCon> Roy: my request for CVS is pending. but I still intend to use it.
16:37:14 <DanCon> TimBray: does section 4 [messages] need to be there?
16:37:44 <DanCon> TimBL: sorta like asking "does web services need to be there"? i.e. where would you put stuff about messages and such?
16:38:14 <DanCon> q+
16:39:33 <DanCon> ?: but are they bringing us issues?
16:40:01 <DanCon> PaulC: how about having the web services architecture group to write that stuff?
16:42:04 <DanCon> DanCon: there are issues, e.g. from RDF Core, that don't come up until you uncover the illusion that the web never changes.
16:44:02 <DanCon> DanCon: I hope to learn about web services architecture by discussing it here.
16:44:36 <DanCon> DaveO: so which group should develop the web services architecture?
16:45:02 <DanCon> DanCon: I hope we'll come to agreement about what it is.
16:45:37 <DanCon> DaveO/PaulC: the Web Services architecture group is discussion "what is a web service?" at length right now.
16:46:50 <Stuart> \me and counting... tick :-)
16:47:03 <DanCon> DaveO: I'd like this group to give the web services arch group a framework in which to define web service.
16:50:18 <TimBL> daveO:   it would be useful for them to have  a glossary from us
16:50:34 <TimBL> tim: it would be useful for us to work on the glosary sonn, as we go.
16:51:42 <DanCon> PaulC: so if we give a good grounding in the basics, other groups, e.g. Web Services Arch, should fall in/out naturally.
16:51:56 <DanCon> [several]: sounds good.
16:52:53 <DanCon> TBL: so... back to the idea of one page on each section...
16:53:58 <DanCon> Bray/DanC/Orchard: yes, filling in the content is likely to provide useful feedback on the TOC.
16:54:03 <DanCon> ... it's iterative.
16:54:04 <TimBL> DaveO: table of dependencies betwen specifications would be useful asn I wouldlike to work  on it.
16:55:06 <DanCon> TimBL asks DaveO to chat offline about dependencies etc....
16:55:19 <DanCon> Norm: I've been doing depenency stuff too; I'd like to be involved.
16:56:45 <DanCon> TimBL: I'd like to attack sections in pairs, rather than having each person stay in their field of expertise.
16:57:48 <DanCon> Norm: I'm interested in "what is a URI"
16:57:54 <DanCon> Chris: message section.
16:58:20 <DanCon> Stuart: "what is a URI" -- me too.
16:58:31 <DanCon> PaulC: message section.
16:58:36 <DanCon> ... with chris.
16:58:57 <DanCon> DanCon: I'm interested in the intro.
16:59:02 <DanCon> Bray: me too: intro.
16:59:32 <Zakim> -TimBray
17:00:41 <Stuart> On dependencies I spoke to some folks from the RDF-IG and they were interested in 'scraping' a dependency graph out of the documents themselves.
17:01:15 <TimBL> Applicationl State Transfer @@ retitle (Roy, DaveO)
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17:02:46 <Zakim> -Norm
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17:02:50 <DanC> so, tim, does the group expect more than just a pointer to the IRC log?
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