XML Protocol Working Group telcon, Date: 20 Dec 2000

1. Roll call, scribes for minutes/action items (5 mins)

PRESENT

Active Data Exchange     Eric Fedok      alternate
Akamai Technologies Mark Nottingham      principal
AT&T Mark Jones     principal
Bowstreet Alex Ceponkus  alternate
Calico Commerce     Rekha Nagarajan      principal
Canon     Herve Ruellan  alternate
Cisco     Krishna Sankar principal
Compaq    Yin-Leng Husband    principal
DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech     Mario Jeckle    principal
Data Research Associates Mark Needleman  principal
DataChannel    Yan Xu    principal
DataChannel    Brian Eisenberg     alternate
DevelopMentor  Martin Gudgin  principal
Engenia Software    Jeffrey Kay    principal
Hewlett Packard     David Ezell    principal
Hewlett Packard     Stuart Williams      alternate
IBM  David Fallside chair
IBM  John Ibbotson  principal
Informix Software   Soumitro Tagore      alternate
Jamcracker     David Orchard  principal
Library of Congress Ray Denenberg  principal
Lotus Development   Noah Mendelsohn      principal
Microsoft Corporation    Henrik Nielsen  principal
Microsoft Corporation    Paul Cotton     alternate
Mitre     Marwan Sabbouh principal
Mitre     Paul Denning   alternate
Netscape  Ray Whitmer    alternate
Oracle    David Clay     principal
Oracle    Jim Trezzo     alternate
Philips Research    Amr Yassin     alternate
Rogue Wave     Murali Janakiraman  principal
SAP AG    Volker Wiechers     principal
Software AG    Michael Champion    principal
Sun Microsystems    Ed Mooney principal
Tibco     Frank DeRose   principal
W3C  Yves Lafon     team contact
WebMethods     Randy Waldrop  principal
Xerox     Bill Anderson  principal (SCRIBE)
XMLSolutions   Kevin Mitchell principal

AUTOMATICALLY EXCUSED

Active Data Exchange     Richard Martin  principal
Bowstreet James Tauber   principal
Canon     Jean-Jacques Moreau principal
Compaq    Kevin Perkins  alternate
DaimlerChrysler R. & Tech     Andreas Riegg   alternate
DevelopMentor  Don Box   alternate
Engenia Software    Michael Freeman      alternate
IBM  Fransisco Cubera    alternate
Informix Software   Charles Campbell     principal
Library of Congress Rich Greenfield      alternate
Netscape  Vidur Apparao  principal
Philips Research    Yasser alSafadi      principal
Rogue Wave     Patrick Thompson    alternate
SAP AG    Gerd Hoelzing  alternate
Software AG    Dietmar Gaertner    alternate
Sun Microsystems    Mark Baker     alternate
W3C  Hugo Haas alt team contact
Xerox     Tom Breuel     alternate
XMLSolutions   John Evdemon   alternate

REGRETS

Intel     Randy Hall     principal
IONA Technologies   Oisin Hurley   principal
IONA Technologies   Eric Newcomer  alternate
OMG  Henry Lowe     principal
Progress Software   David Cleary   principal
Progress Software   Andrew Eisenberg     alternate
Unisys    Lynne Thompson principal
Unisys    Nick Smilonich alternate

ABSENT WITHOUT EXPLANATION

Allaire   Glen Daniels   principal
Allaire   Simeon Simeonov     alternate
Commerce One   David Burdett  principal
Commerce One   Murray Maloney alternate
Epicentric     Bjoern Heckel  principal
Epicentric     Dean Moses     alternate
Fujitsu Software Corporation  Kazunori Iwasa  principal
Fujitsu Software Corporation  Masahiko Narita      alternate
Group 8760     Dick Brooks    ebXML contact
NCR  Vilhelm Rosenqvist  principal
NCR  Lew Shannon    alternate
Vitria Technology Inc.   Waqar Sadiq     principal
Vitria Technology Inc.   Richard Koo     alternate

2. Agenda review, call for AOB (5 mins)

3. Approval of minutes from f2f

The minutes to be approved consist of the unaudited minutes at [1] and [2], plus the attendance list attached to the end of this email. Approval of these minutes to become public (10 mins)

DF: merge the 2 sets of minutes
JeffKay: willing to do the merge - separate actual decisions from conversation
DF: propose to split decisions from transcript. Jeff to consult with Noah to insure consistent consolidation. Minutes need not be ready until Jan 2 EOB.

4. Review action items [3] (5 mins)

use cases? - Glen Daniels is the lead (not all this call)

5. June f2f meeting: June 5,6,7, 2001, Rennes, France (5 mins)

3 day meeting; supported by Canon
Registration will open a month or two before the mtg

will need high accuracy headcount beforehand, date TBD
Email has been sent regarding Feb/Mar f2f; registrations being accepted now. (Note: be explicit regarding arrival/departure dates with Royal Sonesta, Boston)

6. Requirements Document (10 mins)

Publication status: congratulations, XML Protocol WG has published first working draft of req'ts.

some DRs remain; what is status?
David Ezell: preparing to put information out in the next few days, even though votes will probably happen after the new year. (DR305, DR309)

Use cases, section 8. still pending.

Status report from editorial team/section leads/glossary ed. some changing wording from "accept/generate" to "receive/send"

still in discussion of glossary
need to decide and make formal proposal for changes proposal delivered by the end of this week.

PCotton: process: how will we deal with commentary?

how will we process input and get response from contributors; distinguish between dialog and decision
chair will have a proposal for this on first telcon after new years. will ensure we have audit trail for decisions. send suggestions to David F directly.

7. Use cases, start with those on f2f agenda [4] (45 minutes)

use cases should be in next rev of req'ts doc
for each use case, we should understand what they represent
we need a sanity check on each use case, do we need to support it

A long meta discussion followed regarding issues of ownership, editing, production of req'ts from use cases, use cases as illustrating boundaries of in- and out-of-scope req'ts, what exactly is the work product, including reference to req't R900.

One item of discussion resulted in a proposal to change our use of the term "use cases" to the term "usage scenarios."

PCotton: uniformity of representation is an editorial task that can be done outside of the actual content discussion.

DF: start discussion with some examples (meta conversation will be back again):

Starting with Dick Brooks use scenarios: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Nov/0271.html

Suggestion to work on use cases in the same way as req'ts; accept as drafts, and split use cases into individual scenarios.

John Ibbotson/Dick Brooks: will make draft proposals to the group (use draft scenario (DS) numbers)

1.1 ::= DS1:
separate DS1 into DS1 (single party) DS2 (muliple parties)

1.2 ::= DS3:
JohnI: separate this into 2 scenarios, 1 whose message is a business document, and one whose message is an RPC.

JohnI: action to send out the ebXML use scenarios as individual scenarios for discussion (promised by week's end).

Last meta comment: need descriptive phrases for each scenario, and it would be good to use phrases from the glossary.

8. Any Other Business (5 mins)

Happy New Year!