@prefix u: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>.
@prefix w: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>.
@prefix n: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>.
@prefix mr: <http://www.w3.org/2000/11/mr76/minutes#>.
@prefix pd: <http://www.w3.org/2000/08/palm56/datebook#>.
@prefix pa: <http://www.w3.org/2000/08/palm56/addr#>.
@prefix m: <http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/email#>.
@prefix rdfc: <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCoreWGCharter#>.

@prefix who: <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/members#>. # @@needs anchors

# I've incorporated these changes:
#       Mike Dean was present (Fri, 25 May 2001 16:11:25 -0400)
#	Ron Daniel sent regrets (Tue, 29 May 2001 07:29:36 -0700)
#	BrianM Wed, 30 May 2001 16:31:32 +0100
#         http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0238.html
#@@this comment belongs as real RDF, not a comment.

<rdfc25May> a rdfc:Teleconference;
  mr:date "2001-05-25";
  mr:roll
    [ n:_1  [ mr:from who:brian_mcbride; a mr:ChairAck ];
      n:_2  [ mr:from who:danbri; a mr:Present ];
      n:_3  [ mr:from who:barstow; a mr:Present ];
      n:_4  [ mr:from who:beckett; a mr:Present ];
      n:_5  [ mr:from who:frank; a mr:Absent ]; # @@hm... mr:Absent isn't really a response; it's a lack of a response.
      n:_6  [ mr:from who:connolly; a mr:ScribeAck ];
      n:_7  [ mr:from who:rdaniel; a mr:Regrets ];
      n:_8  [ mr:from who:bdehora; a mr:Present ];
      n:_9  [ mr:from who:deroo; a mr:Regrets ];
      n:_10 [ mr:from who:rael; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_11 [ mr:from who:grant; a mr:Present ];
      n:_12 [ mr:from who:horner; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_13 [ mr:from who:renato; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_14 [ mr:from who:ykitahara; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_15 [ mr:from who:Klyne; a mr:Regrets ];
      n:_16 [ mr:from who:mkopchenov; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_17 [ mr:from who:lassila; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_18 [ mr:from who:fmanola; a mr:Present ];
      n:_19 [ mr:from who:snakamura; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_20 [ mr:from who:spetschu; a mr:Present ];
      n:_21 [ mr:from who:pgr; a mr:Absent ];
      n:_22 [ mr:from who:aswartz; a mr:Present ];
      n:_23 [ mr:from who:mdean; a mr:Present ];
      n:_24 [ mr:from who:guha; a mr:Absent ]; # didn't actually call his name, did we?
      n:_25 [ mr:from who:em; a mr:Present ]
    ];

  mr:agenda [
    n:_1 [
      u:label """00  Welcome, Roll Call, volunteer scribe, Agenda
                 Review Minutes of previous meeting""";
      mr:summary """minutes recorded by EricM approved as corrected in 0124, 0125 @@links.
DanBri: intends to meet with Guha next week in IRC and to get a brain dump from him.
McBride solicits folks with test cases to send them to him.

McBride reminds all that ftf is scheduled for 1,2 Aug.
agenda request: discussion of communicating resolutions to developer community.
""";
      mr:result [
        a mr:ActionAck; mr:index n:_1; mr:from who:guha;
	u:label "Solicit RDF feature usage info and report back to the group" ];
      mr:result [
        a mr:ActionDone; #@@
	mr:index n:_2; mr:from who:beckett;
	u:label "Update the proposed changes for this issue[@@which?] and add test cases to demonstrate how they worked.";
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_3; mr:from who:lassilla, who:danbri;
        u:label """send analysis (#rdf-container-syntax-ambiguity and
    #rdf-containers-syntax-vs-schema)to rdfcore-wg list""";
        a mr:ActionAck; #@@ link to progress in email
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_4; mr:from who:beckett;
        u:label "re #rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr: Revise analysis and post to list";
	a mr:ActionDone
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_4; mr:from who:guha;
        u:label "re #rdfms-reification-required: Present analaysis to list for discussion.";
        a mr:ActionAck; #@@distinguish accepting an item from continuing one.
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_6; mr:from who:brian_mcbride;
	u:label "Link test cases, results etc. from issues list";
        a mr:ActionAck;
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_7; mr:from who:grant;
	u:label "Do an analysis of the impact of XML Base and summarise to list.";
	a mr:ActionAck;
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_8; mr:from who:brian_mcbride;
        u:label "Contact Rael about hosting face to face at O'Reilly.";
	a mr:ActionAck;
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_9; mr:from who:Klyne, who:fmanola;
        u:label """to summarize www-rdf-logic perspective of reification as 
 it applies to both logic and rdf andreport back to rdfcore wg""";
        a mr:ActionAck;
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_10; a mr:Withdrawn; u:label "dup of A9";
      ];

      mr:result [
        mr:index n:_11; mr:from who:em;
	u:label "to provide a solution enabling write access to RDF M&S and Schema errata documents.";
	a mr:ActionDone
	];

      mr:result [
        mr:deliverable <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0178.html>; #@@deliverable is new
        mr:index n:_12; mr:from who:barstow;
        u:label """to formalize his suggestion RDFCore changes be reflected in
                    a separate page so developers can easily find these
                    issues/resolutions.""";
	a mr:ActionDone;
      ];

   ];


   n:_2 [
     u:label "15  re issues: #rdf-containers-syntax-ambiguity #rdf-containers-syntax-vs-schema";
     mr:summary "postponed. @@make this a class.";
   ];

   n:_3 [
     u:label "30 re issue: #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion";
     mr:summary """
Connolly: so the language doesn't contain these documents. Good. that's clear.
Connolly: licensing processors to accept documents that aren't in the language is risky... the user community learns what the language is by what the tools do.
[... scribe is discussing too much to do a good job recording; help? ]
EricM: there's a requirement for syntactic inclusion in HTML.
BillD: I think we need to fix productions 4, 5, and 9
DaveB: I listed a bunch of productions in item2 of the proposal...
BillD: let's make it clear that folks MUST NOT use unprefixed resource/about/.. attrs.
em  notes that he may have overstated earlier requirements as there is no specified requirement of syntactic inclusion in M&S Specification.
item 7 is withdrawn; change is incorporated into item 2.
ArtB: so you're changing production 6.19 so that the prefix is not optional?
DaveB: yes.
ArtB: do folks realize there might be a lot of RDF out there in this form?
several: yes.
BillD: this looks like an erratum then; the grammar had a typo.
EricM: let's note this in both places: the errata and the developers page.
BrianM: DaveB's proposal should be couched in terms of 'namespace qualified' rather than 'namespace
prefixed'.
scribe note: "prefixed" doesn't occur in the RDF 1.0 spec.
DaveB: I have 7 tests.
""";

     mr:result [
       a mr:Decision;
       u:label """
The current RDF/XML syntax uses the following attributes in the syntax:

     about aboutEach aboutEachPrefix
     ID bagID
     resource
     parseType
     -- List of RDF attributes (henceforth The List)

     The remaining concepts are not in the list because:
       a. Seq Bag Alt Property Statement
         These are rdfs:Class-es and can never be used as attributes
       b. RDF Description   
         Syntax only things that have no current use as attributes
       c. li _<n> subject predicate object type value
         Not allowed to be used unprefixed according to the grammar

     Note Re: aboutEach aboutEachPrefix
       At present it is expected these will be removed from the
       specification although the WG has not addressed this yet.
       See thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0123.html
[@@@hmm... formatting/structure of decisions]
""";
    ];

    mr:result [
      a mr:Decision;
      u:label """
2.  The grammar will be corrected to require namespace-qualification
    for all attributes for The List.  A namespace prefix MUST be used
    for these attributes, where the namespace prefix points to the
    RDF URI http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#

    The meaning of the attributes is defined by the appropriate RDF
    M&S sections and is not modified here.

    The changes to the grammar at
      http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/#grammar
    include modifying productions 6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.11, 6.18,
    6.32, 6.33 to have rdf: added before all the attributes.  There
    are almost certainly other changes to the grammar, as well as
    changes throughout the rest of the document such as examples and
    in-text mentions.
""";
    ];

    mr:result [
      a mr:Decision;
      u:label "to remove 3, 4, 5 from the proposal of Thu, 24 May 2001 14:47:07 +0100; i.e. not to license RDF processors to accept documents that contain unprefixed attributes";
    ];

    mr:result [
      a mr:Decision;
      u:label """6.  The grammar will be corrected to allow non-prefixed [correction: _not_ non-qualified] RDF elements (NOT attributes) when a default XML
    namespace is defined with an xmlns="..." attribute.

    Discussion: For example
      <Description xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
         ...
      </Description>
    is currently forbidden by production 6.3; it requires rdf:Description
""";
    ];

    mr:result [
      a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:brian_mcbride;
      u:label "edit the errata per the resolutions above; i.e. those regarding #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion";
    ];

    mr:result [
      a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:beckett;
      u:label "assemble test cases re #rdf-ns-prefix-confusion and suggest details of how the grammar in the spec should be updated.";
    ];

  ];


  n:_4 [ u:label "Format for expected results of test cases";
    mr:summary """jang: we have an evolving convention for test case input; I have a suggestion for "expected results" format. that I intend to send.""";
    mr:result [
      a mr:ActionAck; mr:from who:grant;
      u:label "propose expected results format.";
    ];
  ];


  n:_5 [ u:label "Adjournment";
    mr:result [
      a mr:Decision;
      u:label "to meet again one week hence";
    ]
  ];

 ];


 mr:previous <mid:5.1.0.14.2.20010518145947.080e8268@localhost>;

 mr:meetingCall <mid:3B0D19C7.7EA85FDF@hplb.hpl.hp.com>.


<mid:3B0D19C7.7EA85FDF@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
	mr:archivedIn
	<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0168.html>;
	m:subject "RDFCore WG 2001-05-25 Teleconference Agenda".

<mid:5.1.0.14.2.20010518145947.080e8268@localhost>
    mr:archivedIn
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0122.html>;
    is mr:record of [ mr:date "2001-05-18" ].


# transcribe a little bit of the charter here...

rdfc:Teleconference a u:Class;
  u:label "Teleconference";
  u:seeAlso <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/>.

<http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/> u:label "W3C RDFCore Working Group".

