Socialig/2015/03-11-minutes

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  1. socialig 2015-03-11
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  8. 08:55 elf-pavlik Zakim, what conferences?
  9. 08:55 Zakim sees WAI_PF()12:00PM, WEBT_GGIE TF()11:00AM, DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, Team_JEFF(DISC)11:30AM, T&S_WEBPYMT(WPAY_FULL)11:30AM, WAI_Team(WAIT)10:45AM active
  10. 08:55 Zakim sees in schedule DATA_CSVWG()11:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, I18N_MLWWG()11:00AM, T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM, T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM, XML_XMLCore()11:30AM, IA_XForms()11:00AM, Style_CSS
  11. 08:55 Zakim ... FP()12:00PM
  12. 08:55 elf-pavlik Zakim, this will be SOCIG
  13. 08:55 Zakim ok, elf-pavlik; I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
  14. 08:56 Zakim T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has now started
  15. 08:56 Zakim +Ann
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  18. 08:58 elf-pavlik Zakim, code?
  19. 08:58 Zakim saw 76244 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org) given for the conference code, elf-pavlik
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  25. 09:00 elf-pavlik Zakim, ??P76 is me
  26. 09:00 Zakim +elf-pavlik; got it
  27. 09:00 elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
  28. 09:00 Zakim sees on the phone: Ann, +1.206.261.aaaa, +1.425.965.aabb, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
  29. 09:01 AnnB zakim, aaaa is Jules
  30. 09:01 Zakim +Jules; got it
  31. 09:01 AnnB Jules is Julie Martin from Boeing, a vocabulary expert
  32. 09:01 elf-pavlik Zakim, aabb is Andy_Donovan
  33. 09:01 Zakim +Andy_Donovan; got it
  34. 09:02 elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
  35. 09:02 Zakim sees on the phone: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
  36. 09:02 AnnB Andy Donovan is also from Boeing and a vocabulary expert
  37. 09:03 elf-pavlik trackbot, start meeting
  38. 09:03 trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
  39. 09:03 RRSAgent logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-socialig-irc
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  41. 09:03 trackbot RRSAgent, make logs public
  42. 09:03 RRSAgent I have made the request, trackbot
  43. 09:03 trackbot Zakim, this will be 76244
  44. 09:03 Zakim ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
  45. 09:03 trackbot Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
  46. 09:03 trackbot Date: 11 March 2015
  47. 09:03 elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
  48. 09:03 Zakim I notice T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has restarted
  49. 09:03 Zakim sees on the phone: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
  50. 09:03 AnnB scribe: AnnB
  51. 09:03 elf-pavlik chair: elf-pavlik
  52. 09:04 AnnB scribenick: AnnB
  53. 09:04 elf-pavlik agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-03-11
  54. 09:04 elf-pavlik RRSAgent, generate minutes
  55. 09:04 RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
  56. 09:04 elf-pavlik RRSAgent, make records public
  57. 09:04 RRSAgent I have made the request, elf-pavlik
  58. 09:04 elf-pavlik present: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
  59. 09:05 elf-pavlik action-3
  60. 09:05 trackbot is looking up action-3.
  61. 09:05 RRSAgent sees no action items
  62. 09:05 trackbot action-3 -- Daniel Harris to Write carpooling use case (case of p2p marketplace) -- due 2015-02-11 -- CLOSED
  63. 09:05 trackbot http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/actions/3
  64. 09:05 elf-pavlik topic: Mapping API User Stories to Vocabulary terms
  65. 09:05 elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
  66. 09:06 AnnB elf: did people have a chance to review that wiki page?
  67. 09:06 AnnB answers: yes, a bit
  68. 09:06 AnnB elf: extracted key words from user stories, then will try to map against existing vocabularies
  69. 09:07 AnnB AnnB: which are the prominent vocabularies we need to focus on?
  70. 09:08 AnnB elf: Activity Streams, schema.org, microformats, ... and then, whatever we find relevant .. such as W3C Provenance / organization ontology .. .
  71. 09:08 AnnB ... James Snell has a list
  72. 09:08 elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/#compact-iris
  73. 09:11 AnnB elf: are there other vocabularies we need to consider?
  74. 09:12 AnnB .. or our approach?
  75. 09:12 AnnB Andy: looking good
  76. 09:12 AnnB ... I don't know much about these terms or the uses, I don't do much "social" .. methodology looks sound
  77. 09:12 elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
  78. 09:12 Zakim sees on the phone: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett
  79. 09:13 AnnB Lloyd: interested in what Boeing does
  80. 09:13 elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories/Implementations#Boeing_inSite
  81. 09:14 AnnB ... what does Boeing social tool use? any vocabularies?
  82. 09:15 AnnB Jules: I don't know about our social tool for activities, etc .. we (the Boeing Library) provide vocabulary on Boeing products
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  84. 09:17 AnnB elf: could you (Boeing folks) see if the terms extracted from user stories map to our internal tool?
  85. 09:17 AnnB ... as a test
  86. 09:17 elf-pavlik hi AdamB :)
  87. 09:17 Zakim +AdamB
  88. 09:18 AnnB Andy: AdamB will have to answer about inSite, our social tool
  89. 09:18 elf-pavlik Andy_Donovan: we use Network, Mention...
  90. 09:18 elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
  91. 09:19 elf-pavlik AnnB: AdamB elf asked do you use any vocabularies in inSite and could we try to map ones that we use to ones identified from User Stories
  92. 09:20 AnnB Adam: yes, we could try mapping the social terms extracted from the user stories
  93. 09:21 AnnB ... we use the Boeing vocabulary about products (eg., 737, 747, xyz) .. on people's profile
  94. 09:21 AnnB .. but not social terms
  95. 09:21 AnnB Jules: there is a sort of schema in the way inSite is structured
  96. 09:21 AnnB ... insite also uses Boeing Library Thesaurus
  97. 09:22 AnnB AdamB: also use the "expertise" taxonomy, in development
  98. 09:22 elf-pavlik from user stories we extracted: Skill / Interest
  99. 09:23 AnnB ... in inSite we have multiple levels of expertise .. one is that organizations can designate "Boeing Designated Experts (BDE)" .. controlled vocabulary, maintained by Library
  100. 09:23 AnnB ... incorporated into inSite
  101. 09:23 elf-pavlik External Affiliations
  102. 09:23 elf-pavlik Occupation
  103. 09:23 AnnB Jules: occupation
  104. 09:23 elf-pavlik Education, Region
  105. 09:23 AnnB region, education ..
  106. 09:23 AnnB hehe
  107. 09:23 elf-pavlik sorry AnnB :)
  108. 09:23 AnnB no worries
  109. 09:24 AdamB Zakim, who's on the phone?
  110. 09:24 Zakim On the phone I see Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett, AdamB
  111. 09:24 elf-pavlik sorry i may need to type :(
  112. 09:24 Loqi *sniff*
  113. 09:24 AnnB darn elf, we can't understand anything ... just blips
  114. 09:25 AnnB rats, you started out so clear
  115. 09:25 elf-pavlik for *expertise* do you have some proofs of it?
  116. 09:25 elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
  117. 09:25 Zakim elf-pavlik should now be muted
  118. 09:25 elf-pavlik yes
  119. 09:25 AdamB sorry elf, we can't hear you
  120. 09:25 AnnB AdamB: in insite there is self-declared skills and areas of expertise
  121. 09:25 elf-pavlik i can hear pretty ok
  122. 09:26 elf-pavlik peer-recognition
  123. 09:26 AnnB ... also the BDE program, someone else declares you to be an expert on some topic
  124. 09:26 elf-pavlik Question / Answer
  125. 09:26 elf-pavlik Selected Answer
  126. 09:27 AnnB ... peer recognition: in a discussion thread, if someone selects your answer as the "recommended" answer, that gets fed back into our expertise algorithm
  127. 09:27 elf-pavlik AdamB, which feeds back into expertise algorithm
  128. 09:27 AnnB AdamB: we also factor in a "participation" ranking into our expertise algorithm
  129. 09:27 AnnB ... those who participate get a higher ranking, because they are sharing
  130. 09:27 elf-pavlik that sounds very cool!
  131. 09:28 AnnB ... this is an internal expertise algorithm, being developed by AdamB and team
  132. 09:28 AnnB Lloyd: is that algorithm just for insite?
  133. 09:28 AnnB AdamB: yes
  134. 09:28 elf-pavlik AdamB, you may like to check out work in Credentials CG, nice videos on http://opencreds.org/
  135. 09:28 AnnB Lloyd: search terms are random, or selected from controlled vocabularies?
  136. 09:28 AnnB AdamB: both
  137. 09:29 AnnB Lloyd: do you have enough density, such that the rankings are relevant?
  138. 09:29 AnnB AdamB: yes .. 114K have created profiles in system
  139. 09:29 elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
  140. 09:29 Zakim sees on the phone: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik (muted), Lloyd_Fassett, AdamB
  141. 09:30 AnnB (although not all participate)
  142. 09:30 elf-pavlik present: Ann, Jules, Andy_Donovan, elf-pavlik, Lloyd_Fassett, AdamB
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  145. 09:30 AnnB Ann: still in development, but a huge leap forward
  146. 09:31 AnnB Lloyd: could this tool be used with external people or entities? eg, the supply chain
  147. 09:31 AnnB AdamB: has been discussed quite a bit; but hard to do without security risks
  148. 09:32 AnnB ... we do have a Reverse Proxy system, where external people can login at the firewall ..
  149. 09:32 AnnB .. but we haven't applied it yet to our social tool
  150. 09:33 AnnB Lloyd: all sounds good; wondering how these standards will apply to your work
  151. 09:33 AnnB AdamB: we're such a huge company, we're like a microcosm of the public internet
  152. 09:33 AnnB ... problems we have are similar
  153. 09:34 AnnB Jules: we need to bridge silos, across the company
  154. 09:34 AnnB AdamB: yes, huge
  155. 09:34 elf-pavlik i can hear you!
  156. 09:35 AnnB Lloyd isn't on IRC
  157. 09:36 AnnB Lloyd: we need to try to make this work for Boeing, as we're a big adopter
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  159. 09:36 elf-pavlik AdamB, do you have concepts like Event (temporal) or Place (spacial) used in inSite?
  160. 09:36 AdamB yeah, we have Events
  161. 09:36 AdamB we do have Locations
  162. 09:37 AdamB work locations, work regions
  163. 09:37 elf-pavlik how about Venues, Facilities?
  164. 09:37 AdamB yeah, we have "buildings'
  165. 09:37 AdamB buildings
  166. 09:37 AdamB along with organizational data as well
  167. 09:37 AnnB Jules: if you look at people's profiles, we have regions .. organizations .. divisions ... accounting depts ..
  168. 09:38 elf-pavlik Company specific information, contact, boss etc. all coming out of corporate information databases
  169. 09:38 AnnB AnnB: that info is coming out of corporate databases .. are those equivalent to vocabularies?
  170. 09:38 AnnB Jules: sort of, not exactly .. 2 levels
  171. 09:39 AnnB ... Library deals more with populating the values,
  172. 09:39 elf-pavlik makes sense Jules
  173. 09:40 AnnB ... these roles are merging .. we now work as much with ontologies, schemas, models
  174. 09:40 elf-pavlik Jules, do you see it related to http://schema.org/Enumeration
  175. 09:40 AnnB ... these are all vocabularies
  176. 09:40 AnnB ... controlled field-names
  177. 09:40 AnnB ... more of "model" for describing X type of info
  178. 09:40 AnnB ... then have to think about the values that populate the model
  179. 09:41 AnnB ... eg "Boeing Designated Expert" is a class that's in a model for insite
  180. 09:41 elf-pavlik Jules, something similar to http://schema.org/Enumeration ?
  181. 09:42 AnnB ... underneath BDE, is the taxonomy of different types of expertise (all the engineering skills ... eg. , computational fluid dynamics)
  182. 09:42 AnnB ... you want people to select those terms from controlled vocabulary, so that profiles will be consistent
  183. 09:42 AnnB Lloyd: do you also use those terms for Processes?
  184. 09:42 AnnB Jules: we'd like to!
  185. 09:42 AnnB ... not yet, so much
  186. 09:43 AnnB ... still inconsistent across the company
  187. 09:43 AnnB .. working with our Enterprise Architecture group to be more standardized ... but it's slow
  188. 09:43 AnnB Lloyd: sounds like this all runs through the Boeing Library?
  189. 09:43 AnnB Jules: in our dreams!
  190. 09:43 elf-pavlik AnnB can you ask if those 'values' work similar to http://schema.org/Enumeration
  191. 09:43 AnnB yes
  192. 09:44 AnnB Jules: very much a work in progress
  193. 09:44 AnnB ... trying to promote standards
  194. 09:44 AnnB ... trying to create and manage vocabularies so people won't reinvent the wheel
  195. 09:44 AnnB Lloyd: does W3C play a role in that, re: standards?
  196. 09:45 AnnB Jules: yes, definitely a role .. if I'm building an ontology, and can find one that exists, I'll try to map Boeing's stuff to that .. not easy
  197. 09:45 AnnB Lloyd: eg, map "computational fluid dynamics" to entry in DBpedia
  198. 09:46 elf-pavlik http://www.wikidata.org/ & http://dbpedia.org
  199. 09:46 AnnB Andy: yes .. we might be influenced by that, but not actually making explicit URI refs
  200. 09:46 elf-pavlik how about sameAs ?
  201. 09:46 AnnB ... we might use the term as it stands in DBpedia, but not make the external link
  202. 09:47 elf-pavlik Andy_Donovan++
  203. 09:47 Loqi Andy_Donovan has 1 karma
  204. 09:47 AnnB ... we are moving toward using a lot of the OWL formats, and RDF
  205. 09:47 AnnB Jules: moving that way, but not there yet
  206. 09:47 AnnB Lloyd: sounds important that you're moving toward RDF
  207. 09:48 AnnB Andy: we're using a tool right now that doesn't use RDF .. so we need to move to a tool that does
  208. 09:48 AnnB ... plus we're using a huge internal Thesaurus, created over 50 years, toward new techniques
  209. 09:48 elf-pavlik SKOS
  210. 09:49 elf-pavlik http://schema.org/Enumeration
  211. 09:49 elf-pavlik Jules, but more than just a list, can have hierarchies
  212. 09:50 AnnB depends on need
  213. 09:50 AnnB and complexity of domain
  214. 09:50 elf-pavlik thank you Jules :)
  215. 09:50 elf-pavlik Andy_Donovan, Jules maybe useful for you http://www.productontology.org/
  216. 09:51 AnnB Jules: what you're calling a vocabulary, is to me more like a 'schema'
  217. 09:51 AnnB AdamB: we have Activity Streams, but did not implement the spec
  218. 09:51 AnnB ... moving toward AS2.0
  219. 09:51 Andy_Donovan thanks elf! I haven't seen that before
  220. 09:52 AnnB ... we see activities as being potentially broad .. could be an alert generated by a Raspberry PI going off on something
  221. 09:52 elf-pavlik Andy_Donovan, see FAQ: http://www.productontology.org/#faq
  222. 09:52 AnnB Lloyd: sounds important to combine internal and external standards
  223. 09:53 AnnB ... will help validate AS2.0
  224. 09:54 elf-pavlik AdamB++
  225. 09:54 Loqi AdamB has 4 karma
  226. 09:54 AnnB AnnB: we try to establish standards internally -- and to use public stds as possible
  227. 09:54 AnnB .. but really hard to get people to abide by them
  228. 09:55 AnnB AdamB: yes, we try to lead by example
  229. 09:55 AnnB ... embedding these standards into insite
  230. 09:55 AnnB Jules: yes, definitely trying to move the Library bodies of info toward more semantic standards
  231. 09:56 elf-pavlik AnnB++
  232. 09:56 Loqi AnnB has 8 karma
  233. 09:57 elf-pavlik AnnB: Lloyd_Fassett you work in recruiting, would youl like to talk about your vocabulary requirements?
  234. 09:57 AnnB Lloyd: yes ... for crowdsourcing recruiting / looking for jobs
  235. 09:58 elf-pavlik Lloyd_Fassett: we let users and multiple companies produce and consume - collaborating on vocabularies
  236. 09:58 AnnB ... other extensions, e.g., availability
  237. 09:58 AnnB ... eg. ,available next Wed at 3pm, or available to change jobs?
  238. 09:58 elf-pavlik BTW I just had a call with xAPI folks :) http://www.adlnet.gov/tla/experience-api/xapi-cop-directory/
  239. 09:59 AnnB Lloyd: would like to create the questions, as well as the terms
  240. 10:00 AnnB ... once you interact with someone, you should be able to find them again
  241. 10:00 AnnB ... on open internet
  242. 10:00 AnnB Jules: I hope we'll evolve toward open "knowledge" / social graph
  243. 10:00 AnnB ... hoping our vocabulary management can provide foundation so that's well -structured
  244. 10:01 AdamB apologies, i need to drop off
  245. 10:01 elf-pavlik AnnB, we shuld bring Boeing crew appreciation for RDF to WG face 2 face next week....
  246. 10:01 AnnB Lloyd: yes, absolutely
  247. 10:01 Zakim -AdamB
  248. 10:01 AnnB bye Adam
  249. 10:01 elf-pavlik thanks for joining AdamB!
  250. 10:01 AnnB yes, elf
  251. 10:02 AnnB Lloyd: also need to use vocabularies for controls of privacy / IP / etc
  252. 10:03 AnnB ... vocabularies will be fantastic enabler of collaboration
  253. 10:04 AnnB ... my main interest is how are Boeing uses vocabularies
  254. 10:04 AnnB ... regret that EdK couldn't be here
  255. 10:04 AnnB ... would like to know similar re: Ford
  256. 10:04 AnnB ... W3C seeks "real-world" direction
  257. 10:05 elf-pavlik sound doesn't work :(
  258. 10:05 elf-pavlik but i can hear you
  259. 10:05 elf-pavlik AnnB, still here
  260. 10:06 elf-pavlik trackbot, end meeting
  261. 10:06 trackbot is ending a teleconference.
  262. 10:06 trackbot Zakim, list attendees
  263. 10:06 Zakim As of this point the attendees have been Ann, +1.206.261.aaaa, +1.425.965.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett, elf-pavlik, Jules, Andy_Donovan, AdamB
  264. 10:06 elf-pavlik done!
  265. 10:06 trackbot RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  266. 10:06 RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-socialig-minutes.html trackbot
  267. 10:06 trackbot RRSAgent, bye
  268. 10:06 RRSAgent I'm staying, trackbot; no access has been specified for the meeting record
  269. 10:06 elf-pavlik thanks everyone!
  270. 10:06 elf-pavlik ciao o/
  271. 10:06 Zakim -Lloyd_Fassett
  272. 10:06 Zakim -Andy_Donovan
  273. 10:06 Zakim -Jules
  274. 10:06 Zakim -Ann
  275. 10:06 Zakim -elf-pavlik
  276. 10:06 Zakim Attendees were Ann, +1.206.261.aaaa, +1.425.965.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett, elf-pavlik, Jules, Andy_Donovan, AdamB
  277. 10:06 Zakim T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has ended