HCLSIG BioRDF Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-1 Conference Call

Conference Details

Date of Call: Monday December 1, 2008
Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
Participant Access Code: 246733 ("BIORDF")
IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #BioRDF (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
Duration: ~1 hour
Frequency: bi-weekly
Convener: Kei Cheung
Scribe: Kei Cheung

Attendees

TN Bhat, Kei Cheung, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Rob Frost, Adrian Paschke, Don Doherty

Agenda

Roll call and introduction (Kei Cheung)
Summary of Semantic Wiki telconf (Rob Frost)
HCLS KB update (Matthias Samwald and Adrian Paschke)
Q&A (All)

Minutes

<kei> rob, give a summary of semantic wiki telconf
<kei> rob: not including semantic mediawiki this time but will include it in the next series
<RobFrost> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20
<kei> rob: 6 semantic wiki technologies were introduced
<@ericP> note also recent SMW users meeting in cambridge
<@ericP> -> http://smw.referata.com/wiki/SMW_users_meeting SMW users meeting in cambridge
<kei> rob: ikewiki
@ericP seems the folks at Salzburg Research have a propensity for cute names
<kei> rob: kb and wiki pages annotated with types
<kei> rob: backend implemented in Java (architecture different from semantic mediawiki)
<kei> rob: good support of reasoning but small user base
<Zakim> + +1.201.572.aaaa
<kei> rob: acewiki
<kei> rob: not a wiki style interface (using a control natural language -- U. of Zurich)
<@ericP> AceWiki - Mr. TobiasKuhn (University of Zurich, Switzerland) - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20 ¶ 4
<kei> rob: use of pseudo natural language
<Zakim> - +1.201.572.aaaa
<kei> rob: editor that helps user to type in a correct/parseable sentence
<kei> rob: export of owl ontologies
<kei> rob: SWIM (text focused on math mark up) -- ext. of ikewiki
<kei> rob: myontology
<kei> rob: no trial version available
<kei> rob: just capture taxonomy (not ontology)
<@ericP> i guess a way to produce a flat controled vocabulary
<kei> rob: import ontologies and edit them collaboratively
<kei> rob: looks like a research prototype rather than a production system
<kei> rob: ontowiki
<kei> rob: everything is rdf (not wiki text)
<kei> rob: different forms are used to view/edit rdf
<kei> rob: good for interoperability with other rdf-based systems
<kei> rob: different ways of rendering the content, plan to have virtuoso backend
<kei> rob: no reasoning support
<kei> rob: hyper wiki? (similar to ikewiki)
<kei> rob: four lightning presentations were given
<kei> rob: internet business logic -- translated into sql
<kei> rob: another commercial product (name?) was presented
<kei> rob: it involved templates and forms
<kei> rob: noodle? is another system presented
<kei> rob: collaborative ontology editing
<kei> rob: swooki? extension of smw. peer-to-peer semantic wiki
<kei> rob: support of wiki page reuse -- use of portion of wiki locally and support reasoning
<kei> rob: smw will be presented on dec 12
<@ericP> SMW folks think it will very hard to populate docs out of asserted triples that match a SMW template
<kei> ericP: ikewiki vs smw -- triples coming from wikitext
<kei> ericP: smw proteins -- templates ikewiki has influence on smw
<kei> rob: kiwi? ikewiki is different from kiwi
<kei> ericP: wiki itself represents ontologies (like ontowiki)
<kei> rob: use of wiki to define classes and properties of classes
<@ericP> re: myOntology, flat controled vocabs are almost always frustratingly inexpressive
<kei> ericP: myontology - inexpressive
<@ericP> expect we'll want to have collaborative ontologies
<@ericP> [name?] (Mayo Clinic) use a round trip between SMW, Protégé and something else
<kei> ericP: round triping?
<@ericP> Steven Forth says that including an ont tool is necessary
<@ericP> ACE is similar to approaches to express Common Logic (Sowa, Hayes, Menzel)
<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo
<RobFrost> ACE presentation: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-02_Technology-1_20081120/AceWiki--TobiasKuhn_20081120.pdf
<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-1?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HCLS+KB.ppt
<Donald_Doherty> yes
<Zakim> -TNBhat
<Zakim> +Adrian
<Donald_Doherty> I must go to another meeting now. Thanks!
<Zakim> -Don_Doherty
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<kei> adrian: alegro graph -- another triplestore technology that can be compared with virtuoso
<kei> adrian: build additional query interface (rule-based)
<kei> kei: can rules be added to sparql queries (e.g. banff demo queries and/or LODD use cases)
<kei> adrian: prova rule engine
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<kei> federated queries supported by rules, for example.
<kei> interface with wiki possibly
<kei> acewiki: support of owl2/swrl?
<kei> reference to multiple sources from wiki environment
<AdrianP> rule responder is the system we have it has an ACE interface which allows you to ask query in controlled languages. The qeuries are translated and processed in a rule system which processes the query
<AdrianP> access different data stores
<AdrianP> and queries them with their query langauges e.g. SPARQL, SLQ, XQuery etc
<kei> ericP: give some examples to the acewiki people (banff sparql queries)
<kei> ericP: federation: decouple the datasets withing the current kb.
<kei> ericP: adrian will contact acewiki group about looking into the banff demo
<@ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/MappingRules/ Rule Mapping paper
<AdrianP> I will work on using rules for integrating several KB sources and services
<kei> Bob will also work with Eric and Adrian in exploring how to federate multiple KB's across multiple triplestores
<Zakim> -??P5
<Zakim> -Adrian
<Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
<Zakim> -EricP