HCLSIG BioRDF Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-1 Conference Call

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Conference Details

  • Date of Call: Monday December 1, 2008
  • Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
  • Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
  • Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
  • Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
  • Participant Access Code: 246733 ("BIORDF")
  • IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #BioRDF (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
  • Duration: ~1 hour
  • Frequency: bi-weekly
  • Convener: Kei Cheung
  • Scribe: Kei Cheung

Attendees

TN Bhat, Kei Cheung, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Rob Frost, Adrian Paschke, Don Doherty

Agenda

  • Roll call and introduction (Kei Cheung)
  • Summary of Semantic Wiki telconf (Rob Frost)
  • HCLS KB update (Matthias Samwald and Adrian Paschke)
  • Q&A (All)

Minutes

  • <kei> rob, give a summary of semantic wiki telconf
  • <kei> rob: not including semantic mediawiki this time but will include it in the next series
  • <RobFrost> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20
  • <kei> rob: 6 semantic wiki technologies were introduced
  • <@ericP> note also recent SMW users meeting in cambridge
  • <@ericP> -> http://smw.referata.com/wiki/SMW_users_meeting SMW users meeting in cambridge
  • <kei> rob: ikewiki
  • @ericP seems the folks at Salzburg Research have a propensity for cute names
  • <kei> rob: kb and wiki pages annotated with types
  • <kei> rob: backend implemented in Java (architecture different from semantic mediawiki)
  • <kei> rob: good support of reasoning but small user base
  • <Zakim> + +1.201.572.aaaa
  • <kei> rob: acewiki
  • <kei> rob: not a wiki style interface (using a control natural language -- U. of Zurich)
  • <@ericP> AceWiki - Mr. TobiasKuhn (University of Zurich, Switzerland) - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20 ¶ 4
  • <kei> rob: use of pseudo natural language
  • <Zakim> - +1.201.572.aaaa
  • <kei> rob: editor that helps user to type in a correct/parseable sentence
  • <kei> rob: export of owl ontologies
  • <kei> rob: SWIM (text focused on math mark up) -- ext. of ikewiki
  • <kei> rob: myontology
  • <kei> rob: no trial version available
  • <kei> rob: just capture taxonomy (not ontology)
  • <@ericP> i guess a way to produce a flat controled vocabulary
  • <kei> rob: import ontologies and edit them collaboratively
  • <kei> rob: looks like a research prototype rather than a production system
  • <kei> rob: ontowiki
  • <kei> rob: everything is rdf (not wiki text)
  • <kei> rob: different forms are used to view/edit rdf
  • <kei> rob: good for interoperability with other rdf-based systems
  • <kei> rob: different ways of rendering the content, plan to have virtuoso backend
  • <kei> rob: no reasoning support
  • <kei> rob: hyper wiki? (similar to ikewiki)
  • <kei> rob: four lightning presentations were given
  • <kei> rob: internet business logic -- translated into sql
  • <kei> rob: another commercial product (name?) was presented
  • <kei> rob: it involved templates and forms
  • <kei> rob: noodle? is another system presented
  • <kei> rob: collaborative ontology editing
  • <kei> rob: swooki? extension of smw. peer-to-peer semantic wiki
  • <kei> rob: support of wiki page reuse -- use of portion of wiki locally and support reasoning
  • <kei> rob: smw will be presented on dec 12
  • <@ericP> SMW folks think it will very hard to populate docs out of asserted triples that match a SMW template
  • <kei> ericP: ikewiki vs smw -- triples coming from wikitext
  • <kei> ericP: smw proteins -- templates ikewiki has influence on smw
  • <kei> rob: kiwi? ikewiki is different from kiwi
  • <kei> ericP: wiki itself represents ontologies (like ontowiki)
  • <kei> rob: use of wiki to define classes and properties of classes
  • <@ericP> re: myOntology, flat controled vocabs are almost always frustratingly inexpressive
  • <kei> ericP: myontology - inexpressive
  • <@ericP> expect we'll want to have collaborative ontologies
  • <@ericP> [name?] (Mayo Clinic) use a round trip between SMW, Protégé and something else
  • <kei> ericP: round triping?
  • <@ericP> Steven Forth says that including an ont tool is necessary
  • <@ericP> ACE is similar to approaches to express Common Logic (Sowa, Hayes, Menzel)
  • <kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo
  • <RobFrost> ACE presentation: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-02_Technology-1_20081120/AceWiki--TobiasKuhn_20081120.pdf
  • <kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-12-1?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HCLS+KB.ppt
  • <Donald_Doherty> yes
  • <Zakim> -TNBhat
  • <Zakim> +Adrian
  • <Donald_Doherty> I must go to another meeting now. Thanks!
  • <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
  • Donald_Doherty (Donald_Doh@151.201.143.235) Quit (Quit: Donald_Doherty)
  • <kei> adrian: alegro graph -- another triplestore technology that can be compared with virtuoso
  • <kei> adrian: build additional query interface (rule-based)
  • <kei> kei: can rules be added to sparql queries (e.g. banff demo queries and/or LODD use cases)
  • <kei> adrian: prova rule engine
  • AdrianP (a02d72e0@128.30.52.43) has joined #BIORDF
  • <kei> federated queries supported by rules, for example.
  • <kei> interface with wiki possibly
  • <kei> acewiki: support of owl2/swrl?
  • <kei> reference to multiple sources from wiki environment
  • <AdrianP> rule responder is the system we have it has an ACE interface which allows you to ask query in controlled languages. The qeuries are translated and processed in a rule system which processes the query
  • <AdrianP> access different data stores
  • <AdrianP> and queries them with their query langauges e.g. SPARQL, SLQ, XQuery etc
  • <kei> ericP: give some examples to the acewiki people (banff sparql queries)
  • <kei> ericP: federation: decouple the datasets withing the current kb.
  • <kei> ericP: adrian will contact acewiki group about looking into the banff demo
  • <@ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/MappingRules/ Rule Mapping paper
  • <AdrianP> I will work on using rules for integrating several KB sources and services
  • <kei> Bob will also work with Eric and Adrian in exploring how to federate multiple KB's across multiple triplestores
  • <Zakim> -??P5
  • <Zakim> -Adrian
  • <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
  • <Zakim> -EricP