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HCLSIG BioRDF Subgroup/Meetings/2008-09-08 Conference Call
Conference Details Date of Call: Monday September 8, 2008
Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
Participant Access Code: 246733 ("BIORDF")
IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #BioRDF (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC )
Duration: ~1 hour
Frequency: bi-weekly
Convener: Kei Cheung
Scribe: Matthias Samwald Agenda Introduction - Kei Cheung
UMLS discussion (All)
HCLS KB hosting (Matthias Samwald, Adrian Paschke)
ideas of future work (All)
Publication of HCLS workshop papers - Susie Minutes <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/08-BioRDF-irc
<kei> agenda+ roll call [Kei]
Zakim notes agendum 1 added
<kei> agenda+ introduction [Kei]
Zakim notes agendum 2 added
<kei> agenda+ UMLS discussion [Kei]
Zakim notes agendum 3 added
<kei> agenda+ HCLS hosting [Matthias, Adrian]
Zakim notes agendum 4 added
<kei> agenda+ ideas of future work [All]
Zakim notes agendum 5 added
<matthiassamwald> eric, i will be scribe.
<matthiassamwald> How do I capture multiple lines for one speaker without re-typing the name for each line?
<matthiassamwald> I think there was a trick.
<@ericP> matthiassamwald: I'd loved to scribe
<@ericP> ... but how do i capture multiple lines
<@ericP> ericP: like that
<kei> Zakim, this is the biordf call
<Zakim> sorry, kei, I do not see a conference named 'the biordf call' in progress or scheduled at this time
<matthiassamwald> understood.
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<kei> Zakim, this is biordf
<Zakim> kei, SW_HCLS()11:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move biordf to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
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@ericP Zakim, code?
Zakim the conference code is 246733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152 ), ericP
<@ericP> Zakim, move BioRDF to here
<Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
<Zakim> +??P4
<Zakim> +??P7
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<kei> zakim, who is here
<Zakim> kei, you need to end that query with '?'
<kei> zakim, where is here?
<Zakim> sorry, kei, I do not understand your question
<@ericP> Zakim, who is here?
<Zakim> On the phone I see Kei_Cheung, ??P16, ??P17, ??P4, ??P7
<Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, cgolbrei, Huajun, RRSAgent, Zakim, matthiassamwald, kei, ericP
<kei> zakim who is here?
<Zakim> -??P7
<kei> matthias, did you call in?
<matthiassamwald> technical diff
<Zakim> +??P12
<cgolbrei> christine
<matthiassamwald> is the passcode HCLS or BIORDF?
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<holger_stenzhorn> BIORDF
<Zakim> +EricP
<Huajun> the pass code is biordf
<kei> the passcode is BIORDF
<@ericP> Zakim, who is speaking?
<Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kei_Cheung (33%), EricP (14%), ??P16 (59%)
<@ericP> Zakim, please mute ??P16
<Zakim> ??P16 should now be muted
<Zakim> +Don_Doherty
<@ericP> Zakim, who is here?
<Zakim> On the phone I see Kei_Cheung, ??P16 (muted), ??P17, ??P4, ??P12, EricP, Don_Doherty
<Zakim> On IRC I see Donald_Doherty, holger_stenzhorn, cgolbrei, Huajun, RRSAgent, Zakim, matthiassamwald, kei, ericP
<Zakim> +??P24
AdrianPa (8d1ec108@128.30.52.43) has joined #BioRDF<matthiassamwald> give me one minute.
<Zakim> + +0493516aaaa
Zakim hears ??P4's hand up
Zakim sees ??P4 on the speaker queue
<AdrianPa > Zakim, aaaa is me
<Zakim> +AdrianPa ; got it
<AdrianPa > Zakim, mute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should now be muted
<holger_stenzhorn> Zakim, ??P4 is holger_stenzhorn
<Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
<kei> rrsagent, make minutes
<RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/08-BioRDF-minutes.html kei
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Zakim hears ??P24's hand up
Zakim sees ??P4, ??P24 on the speaker queue
<Zakim> +??P25
<@ericP> Zakim, ??P24 is DanielRueben
<Zakim> +DanielRueben ; got it
<matthiassamwald> Zakim ??P25 is matthiassamwald
<AdrianPa > I can not see the link to the slides on the webpage
<AdrianPa > me neither
<holger_stenzhorn> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-09-08
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Olivier sent his regrets.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: He will hold his presentation in the next BioRDF call, in two weeks.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: First, let me introduce myself
<matthiassamwald> ... I have been involved in Semantic Web developments for more than 3 years, before the HCLSIG started.
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<matthiassamwald> ... My main interests are bioinformatics and database integration
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<matthiassamwald> ... Let's start with the agenda. Please open the slides that are attached to http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-09-08
<matthiassamwald> ... First I would like to thank Susie for coordinating the last charter of the task force. She did a very good job.
<matthiassamwald> ... I will talk about the near-term goals of the task force.
<@ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Meetings/2008-09-08?action= AttachFile &do=view&target=biordf_intro.pdf slides
<matthiassamwald> ... I listed four near-term goals
<matthiassamwald> ... "Enhance the HCLS KB. As part of the enhancement, we would like to incorporate new data sets that help the KB span from bench to bedside."
<matthiassamwald> ... "Broaden the community of users who have skills to add data to the KB."
<matthiassamwald> ... "Increase the value and use of the HCLS KB by identifying scientific use cases"
<matthiassamwald> ... "Work on a human-friendly UI, explore
<matthiassamwald> mechanisms for updating the data sources, and
<matthiassamwald> adding new data sets.
<matthiassamwald> ... "
<@ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-hcls-kb-20080604/#rdfbundles HCLS KB sources
<matthiassamwald> ... a list of datasets in the Neurocommons KB can be found at http://www.w3.org/TR/hcls-kb/
<matthiassamwald> ... The datasets were available in a variety of formats, some of them already were provided as RDF/OWL
<matthiassamwald> ... But in most cases we needed to convert to RDF/OWL
<matthiassamwald> ... During this process, we also created semantic links between datasets.
<matthiassamwald> ... Once we have these ontologies loaded into these triplestores, applications can be developed.
<@ericP> q+ to mention query federation
Zakim sees ??P4, ??P24, ericP on the speaker queue
<@ericP> Zakim, ??P4 is holger_stenzhorn
<Zakim> I already had ??P4 as holger_stenzhorn, ericP
<@ericP> Zakim, ack holger_stenzhorn
<Zakim> I see ??P4, ??P24, ericP on the speaker queue
<matthiassamwald> ... The datasets we include will be driven by the needs of the scientists.
@ericP sees an update failure in zakim
<AdrianPa > q+
Zakim sees ??P4, ??P24, ericP, AdrianPa on the speaker queue
<AdrianPa > Zakim, unmute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should no longer be muted
[11:24] <matthiassamwald> EricP: A federation approach would be better than an aggregation approach, which is not THAT different from warehousing.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: (agrees)
<@ericP> q=
Zakim ericP, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'
@ericP Zakim queue=
<matthiassamwald> Adrian: Would it be a static or a dynamic integration?
<matthiassamwald> Kei: In the warehouse approach, the datasources would be converted periodically and loaded into the triplestore from time to time. This might be associated with better performance for query.
<matthiassamwald> ... In the federated approach, queries must be mapped to distributed sub-queries.
@ericP Zakim q?
<AdrianPa > Zakim, mute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should now be muted
<@ericP> Zakim, who is muted?
<Zakim> I see ??P16, AdrianPa muted
<Huajun> can u hear me?
<@ericP> ack ??P16
Zakim unmutes ??P16
Zakim sees ??P4, ??P24, ericP, AdrianPa on the speaker queue
<matthiassamwald> Huajun: As more datasets will be loaded, will there be a performance issue?
<@ericP> queue=
Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
<matthiassamwald> Kei: I cannot answer that accurately now. It depends on the queries.
<@ericP> Zakim, please mute ??P16
<Zakim> ??P16 should now be muted
<@ericP> Zakim, ??P16 is Huajun
<Zakim> +Huajun; got it
<matthiassamwald> ... On with the agenda... Olivier will talk about the conversion of UMLS into RDF in the next telecon.
<matthiassamwald> ... The reason for inlcuding the work on UMLS was motivated by the interest of many participants, e.g., interest in SNOMED, interest from the COI group...
<matthiassamwald> ... UMLS is also important for bioinformatics, e.g., for network analysis and data mining.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Of course, there is an issue with licensing.
<matthiassamwald> ... It is open-access within the US if you sign an agreement with NLM.
<matthiassamwald> ... It might be a problem.
<matthiassamwald> ... What are the licensing issues with SNOMED?
<matthiassamwald> Holger: We are currently working with SNOMED, it is a problem here in Germany.
<matthiassamwald> ... John Madden wanted to ask the people at SNOMED. We can give you an update when we find out more.
<matthiassamwald> EricP: It might make it easier if we just require parts of SNOMED for certain projects.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Exploring those licensing issues could be an agenda item for someone in this group.
<matthiassamwald> (Who is talking?)
<AdrianPa > Zakim, unmute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should no longer be muted
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Let's talk about hosting of the KB
<matthiassamwald> ... The first was at Science Commons, the other at DERI. They were not exact mirrors, but close.
<matthiassamwald> ... How do we migrate the data from the current to the new KB?
<AdrianPa > Zakim, mute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should now be muted
<holger_stenzhorn> Matthais: finished my PhD on SW and biomedical research and neurological research
<holger_stenzhorn> M.. now working for DERI Ireleand
<matthiassamwald> http://hcls.deri.ie
<holger_stenzhorn> ....DERI agreed on hosting the knowledgebase at their site
<holger_stenzhorn> ...DERI still has still this commitment
<holger_stenzhorn> ...and to start projects in the HCLS area
<holger_stenzhorn> ...cureently, quite good situation: we can probably use the DERI server for the next 2 years in our developments
<holger_stenzhorn> Kei: what support can be given by DERI for the hosting?
<holger_stenzhorn> Matthias: inofficial agreement, that we can use the DERI servers for the next 2 years
<holger_stenzhorn> ...but it needs to get official agreement for that
<holger_stenzhorn> ...but everybody gives me thumbs up
<holger_stenzhorn> ...I have personally set up the current HCLS server at DERI and would continue that
<holger_stenzhorn> ...the machine that the Virtuoso server is running on is quite good, a quad core with large memory
<holger_stenzhorn> ...should be sufficient for supporting the data over the next 2 years
<holger_stenzhorn> ...so that server can be the main hub for the data over the next 2 years
<holger_stenzhorn> Kei: could relay that to the request to the HCLS chairs and get back to you
<holger_stenzhorn> Matthias: that makes sense
<holger_stenzhorn> Kei: so I will do that request
<AdrianPa > Zakim, unmute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should no longer be muted
<matthiassamwald> thanks, holger. will scribe again.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Adrian, could you describe your situation now.
<matthiassamwald> Adrian: I will move to Berlin soon and be part of a new working group.
<matthiassamwald> ... I keep on working on Rule Responder and Semantic Web for e-science.
<matthiassamwald> ... So this would still be of interest.
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<matthiassamwald> ... But I am still negotiating with the institution in Berlin.
<matthiassamwald> ... So I cannot commit anything at the moment.
<matthiassamwald> ... I will try to get more details soon.
<AdrianPa > Zakim, mute me
<Zakim> AdrianPa should now be muted
<@ericP> matthiassamwald: re KB development, how will the HCLS KB sync with the Science Commons KB
<@ericP> ?
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Unfortunately, I still don't know the official status of Science Commons in this charter.
<matthiassamwald> ... We need to talk to Neurocommons and the HCLS chairs to build some consensus.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: Last agenda item -- ideas for future work.
<matthiassamwald> ... There is a wiki page about project ideas.
<matthiassamwald> ... We should also define how we can interact with other task forces (e.g. clinical).
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<kei> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/
<matthiassamwald> eric: i am most interested in projects that build on what we currently have.
<matthiassamwald> ... and also 'bench to bedside' work.
<matthiassamwald> ... we have some gaps in the KB that hinder interesting use cases.
<matthiassamwald> kei: huajun proposed an integration of traditional chinese medicine data with western medicine.
<matthiassamwald> ... i proposed 'wiki neuron'.
<Zakim> -DanielRueben
<matthiassamwald> matthias: i plan to focus on semantic web technologies for (neuro-)cognitive science.
<matthiassamwald> Kei: the next call will be in two weeks.
<AdrianPa > bye
<Zakim> -holger_stenzhorn
<Zakim> -Don_Doherty
<Zakim> -AdrianPa
<Zakim> -??P25
<Zakim> -EricP
<Zakim> -??P17
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<Zakim> -Huajun
<cgolbrei> bye
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<Zakim> -??P12
<kei> eric, are you still there?
<@ericP> on irc, yes
<matthiassamwald> eric, you take care about rrsagent, right?
<@ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
<RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/08-BioRDF-minutes.html ericP
<matthiassamwald> thanks. bye!
<@ericP> RRSAgent, bye
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