HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Meetings/2008-11-14 Conference Call

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Conference Details

  • Date of Call: Friday November 14, 2008
  • Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
  • Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
  • Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
  • Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
  • Participant Access Code: 4257 ("HCLS")
  • IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #HCLS (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
  • Duration: ~1 hour
  • Convener: Tim Clark
  • Scribe:

Agenda

<Susie> Attendees: Paolo Ciccarese, Tim Clark, Susie Stephens, Matthias Samwald, John Breslin, Dave de Roure, David Newmann, Sean Bechofer, Sudeshna Das, Kei Cheung, Scott Marshall, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Don Doherty

<paolo_ciccarese> http://rdfs.org/sioc/swan

<Susie> Paolo: moved to the ontology version 1.2

<Susie> Paolo: more work done by next week

<Susie> Paolo: problem with how to serialize in RDF/XML

<paolo_ciccarese> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Actions/Alignment/EmbedsKnowledge

<Susie> Paolo: problem is that SWAN represents data as a graph

<Susie> Paolo: need to embed knowledge represented

<paolo_ciccarese> http://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/

<Susie> Paolo: have submitted proposal on serialization to W3C

<Susie> Paolo: have explored using MOAT for tags

<Susie> Paolo: SWAN uses qualifiers that point to specific vocabularies

<Susie> Paolo: still discussing approaches

<Susie> Paolo: could be good to support MOAT even if it is just for others

<Susie> Tim: eventually SWAN will use free tagging

<Susie> Tim: But in a different way to web 2.0

<Susie> Tim: Supports private work spaces

<Susie> Tim: These sticky notes need free tags

<Susie> Tim: This doesn't necessarily require MOAT

<Susie> Tim: It would be useful to have MOAT in the framework

<Susie> Paolo: Talking about preparing for a W3C submission

<Susie> Paolo: Need a simple implementation for the submission

<Susie> John: We have been involved in one previously

<Susie> John: But still like feedback from others

<Susie> John: Need to decide upon the terms that are included

<Susie> DavedeRoure: MyExperiment only supports free text

<Susie> DavedeRoure: But coming across more vocabulariesw

<Susie> Paolo: MyExperiment nicely complements SWAN

<Susie> DaveNewmann: Tagora match terms to URIs

<Cloud> http://www.tagora-project.eu/

<Susie> John: For a submission need a number of members to work on the paper

<Susie> John: Not all supporters need to be W3C members

<Susie> John: Draft submission document, send to all W3C advisory committee members, revise document if necessary, and then send it to W3C for publication

<Susie> John: At that point the W3C team provides comments

<Susie> John: We worked with Ivan Hermann

<Susie> Susie: EricP could guide us

<Susie> EricP: I can help

<Susie> Paolo: Not clear about the submission, as SIOC has already been submitted, but SWAN hasn't

<Susie> Tim: Can we submit SWAN 1.2 and the latest version of SIOC?

<Susie> John: That should be possible

<Susie> John: Could also show how it could integrate with FOAF

<Susie> John: The submissions would reinforce each other

<Susie> EricP: Might be easier to reference them if they are submitted separately

<Susie> Susie: Wouldn't the document be more valuable if it was combined?

<Susie> Tim: Can't we just have separate sections in the document?

<Susie> Tim: Will take the discussion off line

<Susie> DavedeRoure: I'm the AC rep for Southampton

<Susie> SeanBechoffer: I'm the AC rep for Manchester

<Susie> Susie: I'm the AC rep for Lilly

<Susie> Tim: Propose next steps

<Cloud> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Meetings/2008-11-14_Conference_Call

<ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2007/02/ last SIOC submission (3 docs + an archive)

<Susie> Tim: 3 proposals

<Cloud> myExperiment integration

<Cloud> Semantic search across communities

<Cloud> Intra-document annotation model

<Susie> Tim: 1. MyExperiment

<Susie> SWAN-SIOC has elements that are potentially useful to myExperiment

<Susie> Tim: Dave de Roure and Carole are interested in collaborating

<Susie> Tim: myExperiment is missing exactly the bit that SWAN-SIOC is focusing on

<Susie> Dave de Roure: We need to start working on this functionality now

<Susie> Dave de Roure: No tooling to help people to link between facts

<Susie> Dave de Roure: Public data in myExperiment is exported through a SPARQL endpoint that uses FOAF and some of SIOC

<Susie> Tim: This work could fill in a big gap

<Cloud> MyExperiment uses David Newmans vocabulary (tag one I guess?) which can link to SIOC, MOAT and SCOT...

<Susie> Susie: Sounds like a good area to work on as it would be of value to Harvard, DERI, Manchester and Southampton

<Susie> Dave de Roure: Shared myExperiment ontology with Alan Ruttenberg and Jonathan Rees

  • Cloud got confused with Richard Newman's tag ontology

<Susie> Dave de Roure: David Newman is the lead on this work

<david_newman> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/drn05r/release/stable/myexp.owl

<Susie> Tim: Focus on small chunks of work that are fed back to the group

<paolo_ciccarese> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com

  • Cloud says to david_newman: very nice!

<david_newman> drn05r@ecs.soton.ac.uk

<Susie> Dave de Roure: We're having a design workshop in 2 weeks in Manchester, so perfect timing

<Susie> Tim: 2. Semantic Search Across Communities

<seanb> Can you cc me in the SWAN-SIOC discussions, please David and Paolo? sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk

<Susie> Tim: Like to work with DERI and maybe Lilly to implement searches at a fine level, and then take to a broad level

<Susie> Kei: Is integration based on metadata in SWAN and/or MOAT?

<Susie> Tim: Can export SIOC and can search across it

<Susie> John: We have a SIOC Exporter, which crawls across SIOC supported platforms. Can crawl and search the data. Can also index based on SIOC identifiers.

<Susie> John: Could extend the SIOC capabilities by incorporating SWAN

<Susie> Tim: For example, could query on a gene name across communities

<Susie> Kei: Could also do this based on gene function?

<Susie> Tim: Yep.

<Susie> Kei: If I have wiki content, how do I apply SIOC? Do I build a layer on top, or would someone else?

<Susie> John: Best approach is for the wiki provider to incorporate SIOC.

<Susie> John: Alex has done work on Semantic Wikis. He would use SIOC to represent the wiki, and then another ontology for the data

<Susie> John: Could use RDFa in the wiki page

<Susie> Kei: How easy is it to export semantic data or metadata for interoperation

<Susie> John: Been talking to Semantic MediaWiki about using SIOC

<Susie> John: Nothing has been developed for Semantic MediaWiki yet

<Susie> John: Comments aren't very structured in Semantic MediaWiki

<Susie> Kei: It would be useful to have examples and use cases

<Susie> Susie: This also sounds like interesting work

<Susie> John: Interested in getting more support into wikis generally

<Susie> WikiProtein -> http://conceptweblinker.wikiprofessional.org/default.py?url=nph-proxy.cgi/010000A/http/genomebiology.com/2008/9/5/R89

<Susie> WikiProtein Portal -> http://www.wikiprofessional.org/portal/

<Susie> EricP: I'm meeting with Semantic MediaWiki soon, so let me know if you want me to take any messages

<Susie> Tim: Nice to explore a DERI, Harvard, Lilly collaboration

<Susie> Susie: Good time to be starting to discuss resource assignments for 2009

<Susie> Tim: 3. Intra-document Annotation

<Susie> Tim: Nice to know which part of the document discusses what

<Susie> Tim: In StemBook do this for genes and biological processes - but it's not part of the ontology

<Susie> Tim: Interested in developing extensions to the ontology that would support that

<matthias_samwald> As an aside, here is a nice collection of general "highlight" services for web pages: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/web-annotation-tools-research-annotate-collaborate/

<Susie> Tim: Think it's relevant to the group, and the wiki discussion

<Susie> Tim: Would like to know who made which comments in the wiki, and wherew

<Susie> Matthias: I would be very interested in this

<Susie> Kei: Does Matthias's annotation tool apply to wiki pages?

<Susie> Matthias: Yes, it can be applied to wiki pages

<Susie> Matthias: The more elegant solution would be to edit the content of the wiki page

<Susie> Kei: I might want to participate in this too

<Susie> Kei: Like the focus on biological entities, WkiNeurons focuses on neurons for example

<Susie> Kei: These 3 proposals are inter-related

<Susie> Tim: Is this a good path forward.

<Susie> Susie: Do we have enough resource for all 3 projects?

<Susie> Tim: We'd need to assess that

<Susie> Tim: We may need to serialise the project

<Susie> Matthias: Will have much more time from next month

<Susie> Tim: Next call on Dec. 5

<Susie> Tim: I'll be in the UK on Dec. 3/4/5; and would like to visit DERI then if possible

<Susie> John: That would be great

<Susie> John: Would you like to present on SWAN too?

<Susie> John: Doing further work to enhance Drupal

<Cloud> http://groups.drupal.org/node/16597

<Susie> John: Good as more search engines start to use RDFa, e.g. SearchMonkey

<Susie> Tim: Ben Melancon is taking the lead on this project

<Susie> EricP: Will meet with semantic mediawiki folks on Nov. 22/23.

<Susie> Matthias: Starting to install SCF on the LS server at DERI

<Susie> Matthias: Want to create a SCF interface to the BioRDF KB

<Susie> Tim: Matthias should also get in touch with Ben