- From: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:01:22 -0600
- To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote: > Hi, Shelley- > > Shelley Powers wrote (on 4/1/10 2:29 PM): >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Jonas Sicking<jonas@sicking.cc> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Shelley Powers<shelley.just@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was sold. And now you're telling me, this is nothing more than a >>>> bridge? >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/introduction#co-evolution explains it >>> pretty well. It starts out with >>> >>> "WAI-ARIA is intended to be a bridging technology." >>> >>> And later says >>> >>> "It is expected that, over time, host languages will evolve to provide >>> semantics for objects that previously could only be declared with >>> WAI-ARIA. This is natural and desirable, as one goal of WAI-ARIA is to >>> help stimulate the emergence of more semantic markup." >> >> So when can we expect a color picker element in SVG? > > Sometime after I leave the SVG WG. :) > > That said, we have talked about high-level functional elements in SVG, to > support common use cases. For example, the Parameters spec (which is > public) and the Connectors spec (for graphs and other uses of logical > connections between element, which I'm still drafting). Just because native > form controls aren't appropriate for SVG doesn't mean they aren't for HTML > (and using HTML form controls is useful for SVG). > But SVG has to be accessible, doesn't it? So, where are the semantic elements that provide accessibility? > Yes, you can use script+CSS+ARIA to create form controls from <p> or <li> > (textbox, button, dropdown, etc.), but that doesn't mean it's always the > best option or easy enough (even with script libs). Form controls are > useful, and serve as a baseline for common functionality. > Ten years ago, I would have agreed. Now, though, all HTML will be, is a dead weight in innovation. > Declarative, semantic markup is good. Every time I show the new form > controls in an HTML5 presentation, they are a big hit. Curious: which ones did you demonstrate? > > Regards- > -Doug Schepers > W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs > This discussion is become circular, evidently most people disagree with me. That's fine. I don't agree, but will take my arguments elsewhere. Most of my proposals were about removing these so-called "semantic elements". If the co-chairs want to close these proposals, since no one agrees with me, that's fine too. Shelley
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