- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 19:05:23 +0100
- To: Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes and copied below as text.
It is important that we seek and receive reviews of our newly published
docs and get ready to record implementations.
Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
20 May 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-irc
Attendees
Present
deirdrelee, hadleybeeman, phila, BernadetteLoscio,
antoine, newton, riccardoAlbertoni, yaso, laufer
Regrets
EricS, Caroline, EricK
Chair
Deirdre
Scribe
phila
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Next steps
2. [6]getting the word out
3. [7]Issues
4. [8]Actions
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<deirdrelee> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribenick: phila
<deirdrelee> agenda:
[11]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520
[11] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160520
deirdrelee: Quite a calm meeting after the last few weeks'
work.
... Latest versions of all three docs have been published
<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
[12]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
[12] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
deirdrelee: So now we need to plann from here to the end which
is soon
+1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<hadleybeeman> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
<yaso> +'
<yaso> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
<newton> +1
<deirdrelee> APPROVED: Accept last week's minutes
[13]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
[13] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
REOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
[14]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
[14] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/13-dwbp-minutes
-> [15]https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/ DWBP
[15] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/
-> [16]https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/ DQV
[16] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/
-> [17]https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/ DUV
[17] https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
-> [18]https://twitter.com/w3c/status/733303835737743360 W3C's
tweet
[18] https://twitter.com/w3c/status/733303835737743360
<hadleybeeman> phil: More excitingly, the response we've had on
twitter.
<hadleybeeman> ...This particular tweet was RTed by someone at
Bibliotheque National Francais... Phil Ashlock and data.gov.
<BernadetteLoscio> that's great :)
<hadleybeeman> ...We've had little interaction with them on
this work, so I'm really pleased they are engaging.
<hadleybeeman> ...The rest of us have got varying levels of
support, which is also good.
<hadleybeeman> ...Good reaction so far.
deirdrelee: Before we go on... the comment from PY on content
nego
<hadleybeeman> phila: Yeah — there's nothing to negotiate. IN
the namespace of both docs, at the moment, is just the TTL
file.
<deirdrelee>
[19]https://twitter.com/pyvandenbussche/status/7336315311938846
72
[19] https://twitter.com/pyvandenbussche/status/733631531193884672
<hadleybeeman> ...Yes, it would be good if there were an HTML
representation of each as well. That's up to the editors.
deirdrelee: Overall, congrats to everyone, especially the
editors
Next steps
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot! we're really happy!
<yaso> Muted, hadleybeeman :-)
deirdrelee: Versions we now have are Last Call (sic)
... Need to get BP doc to CR
... 2 months is tight
... Call for comments incldues deadline of 12 June
... last 2 stages are to gather those final comments and then
get implementation reports
... Don't have to be sequentially. We can gather reports now.
... Need a good process for handling comments.
... How to we address and record comments, record
implementations
BernadetteLoscio: ack b
... We're really happy with the results
... It was hard work but it was worth it. The doc looks really
good.
... Much more stable. I don't expect big changes now.
... Some stuff we want to do. The example we want to add of a
visualisation
... we didn't have time before now. Maybe some minor
improvements
... As for process of recording comments. Do we need to use the
tracker or can we use a differnet way?
<newton> My suggestion is to use the github issue tracker
<deirdrelee> phila: you don't have to use comment tracker
<hadleybeeman> phila: What you did before was great.
<deirdrelee> ...what you did for the previous comments in wiki
is really good and structured
phila: Things to record: the comment
... the commenter
... the resolution
... the implementation
the message sent to the commentator
scribe: and the reply...
<hadleybeeman> phila: Hopefully we can also point to them
saying "great thanks."
<hadleybeeman> ...You're building up the Disposition of
Comments, which is the most important thing the Director will
want to see when we get to the Candidate Rec call.
<hadleybeeman> ...That's a formal call that happens with the
editors, the chairs, me and the Director (probably Philippe le
Hagret)
<hadleybeeman> ...This is how you get INTO CR.
<hadleybeeman> ...He's checking the process has been met.
Including wide review.
BernadetteLoscio: I think we prefer the wiki as we did before
phila: That's fine
BernadetteLoscio: We'll need help to resolve some comments.
... We'll need to solve things between us.
... Before we reply to the commentator.
... It was great when we were preparing hte last draft as we
had a lot of interqaction that made the process more productive
... I think we will need to have more discussions
deirdrelee: Two other thimngs to decide today - how we're going
top get these comments? What are our individual
responsibilities?
... We need as many comments as possible. We ned to show that
people have looked at it and are happy with it.
... We have 12/6 as the deadline. We can hope for comments from
now onwards.
... So, everyone, how are going to plan promotion?
... ANd the time plan. How can we get this done?
BernadetteLoscio: I think we should address the comments as
soonas they arrive. We'll work in the coming weeks to do this.
... We don't want to wait until the end of the comment period.
getting the word out
deirdrelee: Should we be more targeted?
hadleybeeman: I'm looking through my mailing lists that I sent
GLD LC e-mails to.
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee
deirdrelee: We need to not spam people. I'll create a wiki page
to keep a record of where we're promoting this.
... Do we need a standard e-mail?
<newton> +1
BernadetteLoscio: I like the idea of a standard message.
<scribe> ACTION: deirdrelee to draft standard e-mail that
people can use to call for comments [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - Draft standard e-mail that
people can use to call for comments [on Deirdre Lee - due
2016-05-27].
laufer: I think the text in the W3C news item is pretty useful
deirdrelee: I'll use that as the basis, and add the dates etc.
hadleybeeman: I'd also suggest including a little one sentence
of what each doc is meant to be that we can steal from the
charter.
<yaso> o/
deirdrelee: It's up to all of us to promote it.
... retweet etc.
hadleybeeman: I'll send round an e-mail with the lists I sent
to.
deirdrelee: Or the wiki page?
hadleybeeman: Sure
BernadetteLoscio: one question. If we send a message in Brazil,
it's OK to be in Portguese.
phila: Yes.
laufer: Are you thinking of sending this message to...?
<laufer> BernadetteLoscio: are you thinking in sending to the
sbc list?
BernadetteLoscio: We can have a standard message in PT
<newton> @phila do you think it's ok to send it to the semantic
web list? Or it's not a good idea, like the cfp.?
<laufer> @BernadetteLoscio: if you will send to the sbc list I
will not do so. I can send to the ihc list too.
<newton> Ok ;)
phila: Please don't ask me to send a mesage to semweb or lof
lists ;-)
deirdrelee: is it one cmapiagn for comments and implementations
or two.
riccardoAlbertoni: I'm all for multiple languages - but what
about the replies?
deirdrelee: If we get comments in PT then there'll be a
translated record.
<antoine> I would not put it in multiple languages. This is a
lot of efforts, and for not much. If someone is not able to
read the English email they won't be tempted by the (much much
longer) English document.
BernadetteLoscio: Having the same campaign - I think it's
better to have two separate messages because we can be more
focussed when we ask for implementations.
... I started a spreadsheet that we started in the f2F with
names and contacts in institutions to aks for implementations
<deirdrelee> not multiple languages antoine, only english and
portuguese
BernadetteLoscio: we were also discussing in April, we have
calls about Web Services with Carol and Newton. The approach
for asking for implementations is different so I'm for keeping
them separate.
<antoine> ok deirdrelee
phila: No harm in saying that we'll be asking for
implemenbtations
<deirdrelee> s/implemnbtations/implementations
phila: We need a clear idea what we mean by implementation for
a BP.
deirdrelee: The tests are there and area good starting point.
... We can see if they apply as implementations
... Some tests might be difficult but most are pretty clear.
BernadetteLoscio: Maybe we can ask for examples
... They need to fill in a form? We can offer examples of what
we mean?
<BernadetteLoscio>
[21]https://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report-temp
late
[21] https://www.w3.org/2010/01/mwabp-implementation-report-template
BernadetteLoscio: The form - similar to the one that Mobile Web
did
phila: The table that recoreds implementations
BernadetteLoscio: So we could provide examples on that page to
help people
<BernadetteLoscio> About each BP Completed relevant Mostly
relevant Some what relevant Not relevant Overall What is your
opinion on the BPs Are the BPs clear to read? Are the BPs
easier or difficult to read? difficult ------ easier
BernadetteLoscio: Our idea is to use this opprtunity to ask for
things like
... Our idea is to also ask for implementayions and opinions,
if they were relevant or not. Overall questions about the doc.
... Are they are clear, easy to read etc.
... That's not part of the CR process but it's an opportunity.
... We were thinking of sending a message explaining what we
want
... If we have feedback from people saying they want to
implement the Bps then we can send a form and follow up
deirdrelee: For campaign no. 1 we'll kick that off now, asking
for comments on all three docs.
... And say that we will soon be asking for implementation
reports.
... We'll create a grid like the WMBP doc
phila: I'd be inclined to create that grid ASAP and put it in
the GH repo
BernadetteLoscio: Yep.
deirdrelee: We need to close all open issues and actions before
CR
<deirdrelee> [22]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
[22] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
Issues
issue-153?
<trackbot> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in
the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153
[23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153
BernadetteLoscio: Not sure what Eric meant. I'll talk to Eric
about it.
issue-221?
<trackbot> issue-221 -- What is the importance of the alignment
between hcls-dataset and dqv/duv? -- open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221
[24] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221
riccardoAlbertoni: I think it's still open. I know antoine has
had a discussion with one of the HCLS folks but we haven't yet
solved this issue. Same applies to next issue. We have 2
options and we have yet to decide which to follow.
... We can try and work on these next week.
issue-234?
<trackbot> issue-234 -- Role of Usage Tool -- open
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
[25] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/234
BernadetteLoscio: This is also sometehing I#m trying to find
whetehr we have a resolution. Again, I need to talk to Eric.
issue-251?
<trackbot> issue-251 -- Open issues on Data Preservation
Section -- open
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/251
[26] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/251
deirdrelee: Are these things that we're looking for comments
on?
BernadetteLoscio: Yes, we can close these. We have comments on
the wiki about that, changes in the doc etc. ahead of the
yesterday's publication. We looked at all those
... We can include links from the comments table to prove it
Topic; Actions
Actions
<deirdrelee>
[27]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
[27] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
deirdrelee: Some of these are from the f2F and before
action-148
<trackbot> action-148 -- Yaso Córdova to Include a definition
of 'a standard' in the glossary -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148
[28] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/148
<yaso> it's done
<yaso> I sent an email for the group with this
BernadetteLoscio: I can't remember what the follow up was
yaso: I sent an e-mail after the F2F. Don't remember if there
was an answer.
... I used something from the Commission Core Vocs.
deirdrelee: So will put in a link to your e-mail and close the
action?
<yaso>
[29]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar
/0143.html
[29]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0143.html
<yaso>
[30]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar
/0152.html
[30]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Mar/0152.html
<yaso> antoine's reply
<yaso> ok, no problem
yaso: OK, I'll actually add the text to the Bp doc
action-208?
<trackbot> action-208 -- Antoine Isaac to Contact oa wg to see
whether they would consider adding dqv motivation -- due
2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208
[31] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/208
<antoine> continues but now is the time :-)
deirdrelee: Leave that open then
action-210?
<trackbot> action-210 -- Eric Stephan to Investigate the
relationship between dqv and duv wrt citations that can be
considered as a quality annotation -- due 2016-04-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
[32] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/210
riccardoAlbertoni: We didn't progress on that I think. That's
one for Eric really
... Probably doesn't make sense anymore
<antoine> [I prepared for this one!] We never had the time to
really wrap up this. And I don’t know if I’m tempted. There was
a sentence on how on DUV and DQV follow another BP, but it’s
been removed in the last edits because it made the text already
too long. Where would the paragraph in action-227 sit?
riccardoAlbertoni: for me it can be closed. I can write to Eric
and ask if it can be closed.
<antoine> oops sorry wrong ACTION:-)
action-227?
<trackbot> action-227 -- Antoine Isaac to Work with eric s on
writing section on evolution of duv wrt reuse of namespaces
etc. -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227
[33] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/227
action-229?
<trackbot> action-229 -- Phil Archer to Send bp editors
implementation-questionaire template -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
[34] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229
phila: Happy to turn that into helping with the new CR
implemenation grid doc
close action-229
<trackbot> Closed action-229.
<scribe> ACTION: phila to work on implementation grid [recorded
in [35]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-281 - Work on implementation grid [on
Phil Archer - due 2016-05-27].
action-231?
<trackbot> action-231 -- Annette Greiner to Talk to eric wilde
about open comments and reach resolution -- due 2016-02-19 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231
[36] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/231
BernadetteLoscio: Annete spoke to him. We sent several messages
but he didn't reply. I don't think there's more we can do.
deirdrelee: Are the comments closed?
BernadetteLoscio: We sent several messages, resolutions etc. No
reply.
close action-231
<trackbot> Closed action-231.
<riccardoAlbertoni> I think we can close Action-251 ..
action-233?
<trackbot> action-233 -- Newton Calegari to Check if the turtle
and rdfa examples are validated -- due 2016-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233
[37] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/233
BernadetteLoscio: We did this for the last draft
close action-233
<trackbot> Closed action-233.
action-249?
<trackbot> action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051
from eric wilde
([38]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dw
bp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
[38]
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051)
<trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
[39] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
action-239;?
<trackbot> action-239 -- Peter Winstanley to Check on using an
example about real-time data for bp23 -- due 2016-03-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239
[40] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/239
deirdrelee: I think he did that which is related to my actions
BernadetteLoscio: Yep, we have an example now
close action-239
<trackbot> Closed action-239.
action-249
<trackbot> action-249 -- Caroline Burle to Answer comment 3051
from eric wilde
([41]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dw
bp-20150224/3051) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
[41]
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150224/3051)
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
[42] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/249
BernadetteLoscio: That was answered
close action-249
<trackbot> Closed action-249.
action-250
<trackbot> action-250 -- Newton Calegari to Update the config
on respec with the public mailing address and answer comment
lc-3062
([43]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dw
bp-20150625/3062) -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
[43]
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/wd-dwbp-20150625/3062)
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/250
[44] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/250
BernadetteLoscio: That was done
close action-250
<trackbot> Closed action-250.
riccardoAlbertoni: action-251 can be closed as I have provided
an example to Eric
close action-251
<trackbot> Closed action-251.
action-264?
<trackbot> action-264 -- Phil Archer to Ensure that the bp doc
refers to the example for representing precision and accuracy
in the dqv -- due 2016-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/264
[45] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/264
action-275
<trackbot> action-275 -- Deirdre Lee to Help with the example
of bp [46]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi --
due 2016-05-06 -- OPEN
[46] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi
<trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/275
[47] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/275
deirdrelee: I did that
close action-275
<trackbot> Closed action-275.
action-276
<trackbot> action-276 -- Deirdre Lee to Enhance the examples
and incorporate some of the things we discussed today -- due
2016-05-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/276
[48] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/276
deirdrelee: I did that too
close action-276
<trackbot> Closed action-276.
<BernadetteLoscio> ok ;)
deirdrelee: More of the same next week folks
... I'll get a draft e-mail and mailing list sorted
<laufer> bye all. happy weekend.
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: deirdrelee to draft standard e-mail that people
can use to call for comments [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: phila to work on implementation grid [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[49] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action01
[50] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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