Re: PROV-ISSUE-152 (QualifiedInvolvement): will the QualifiedInvolvement approach work for other relations? [Ontology]

Hi Tim,

These notions of QualifiedEntityInvolvement and 
QualifiedActivityInvolvement seem very artificial.
How are you going to deal with wasAttributedTo between an entity and agent?

I am not sure how appropriate the word 'involvement' has become.

Luc

On 12/02/2011 09:10 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
> Luc,
>
> I am in favor of your proposal to apply QualifiedInvolvements to a 
> broader range of involvements, e.g. Activity-Activity.
>
> In this case, the current definition of "QualifiedInvolvement" would 
> be renamed to "QualifiedEntityInvolvement", the latter would become a 
> subclass of a "new" QualifiedInvolvement, and a new 
> QualifiedActivityInvolvement would become a subclass of 
> QualfiedInvolvement.
>
> Please see the changes to the PROV-O components listed in 
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/7779ea84024f
>
> (apologies that the omnigraffle file was included on that commit. 
> Please ignore it)
>
> In particular, see
>
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/7779ea84024f/ontology/components/QualifiedInvolvement.ttl
> for the ontology changes
>
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/7779ea84024f/ontology/components/Start.ttl
> for the first "Activity-based" qualified involvement subclass.
>
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/7779ea84024f/ontology/components/wasStartedBy/prov-dm-wasStartedBy.ttl
> for the DM mapping of wasStartedBy(a2,a1) to PROV-O
>
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/7779ea84024f/ontology/components/wasStartedBy/prov-dm-constraint-wasStartedBy.ttl
> for the DM constraint mapped to PROV-O.
>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>
>>
>> PROV-ISSUE-152 (QualifiedInvolvement): will the QualifiedInvolvement 
>> approach work for other relations? [Ontology]
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/152
>>
>> Raised by: Luc Moreau
>> On product: Ontology
>>
>>
>> The prov-o document has introduced a qualifier for participation, 
>> which is not in prov-dm.  There is increasing evidence that it is 
>> useful to qualify all/most relations of prov-dm.
>>
>> Is the approach for qualifiedInvolvement be extensible for all 
>> relations? In particular, for Activity -> Activity relations, such as 
>> wasInformedBy.
>>
>> QualifiedInvolvement seems to have "The hadQualifiedEntity property 
>> links the QualifiedInvolvement class with the Entity class.". But 
>> wasInformedBy does not have entity?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Note, this issue shouldn't block the release of the document as fpwd.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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