Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-07-06

That's the one I was after - thank you Thierry. We should definitely send
a message to that reflector.

Nigel


On 06/07/2017, 10:43, "Thierry MICHEL" <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

>We could also sent the review-announcement to
>public-review-announce@w3.org.
>
>see W3C process:
>https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#wide-review
>
>
>6.2.3.1 Wide Review
>
>The requirements for wide review are not precisely defined by the W3C
>Process. The objective is to ensure that the entire set of stakeholders
>of the Web community, including the general public, have had adequate
>notice of the progress of the Working Group (for example through notices
>posted to public-review-announce@w3.org)
>
>
>Thierry
>
>Le 06/07/2017 à 11:24, Thierry MICHEL a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Le 06/07/2017 à 10:53, Nigel Megitt a écrit :
>>> It's published. We don't generally make announcements when publishing a
>>> WD for WR but I think there may be a way to do so. Thierry, does the
>>> spec announce list (sorry, I forget its proper name) normally get used
>>> for WRs or just CRs?
>>
>> We could use Chairs's list (this was used for former Last Call
>> announcement), and also public TT (Glenn already did it).
>>
>> There is no specific process for a WD Wide Review. This specific WD step
>> does not exist in the W3C Process nor in the "W3C Technical Report
>> Transition document. But we are required to make a wide review.
>> As a matter of fact, a WD Wide Review is not a transition.
>>
>>
>> For CR, the W3C Communications Team sends a transition announcement to
>> w3c-ac-members@w3.org and chairs@w3.org and on the W3C home page.
>>>
>>> Additionally what we do normally do is send liaison messages out to
>>> request review. That's the next immediate step for TTML2.
>>
>> Yes we will send messages to W3C Groups mentionned in the charter [1]
>> and external groups, like we recently did for IMSC.
>>
>> Thierry
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/timed-text-charter.html
>>
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Dae Kim <dakim@netflix.com <mailto:dakim@netflix.com>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 at 21:55
>>> To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>><mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>>
>>> Cc: "public-tt@w3.org <mailto:public-tt@w3.org>" <public-tt@w3.org
>>> <mailto:public-tt@w3.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-07-06
>>>
>>>     Can we start with the WR status of TTML2?
>>>     I believe we're ready but did not see any announcements.
>>>
>>>     -Dae
>>>
>>>     *Dae Kim | Senior Video Engineer | Encoding Technology*
>>>     *9420 94f4 a834 b038 2920 34b3 38ad b632 3738 942c 942f*
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Nigel Megitt
>>><nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk
>>>     <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         *This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for
>>>a
>>>         prompt start at 10:03am Boston time. *
>>>
>>>         Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time,
>>>         the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may
>>> change.
>>>
>>>         Check
>>>
>>>https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170706T10&p1
>>>=43
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170706T10&p
>>>1=43>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local
>>>
>>>         *Joining details: *
>>>
>>>         see
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html>
>>>         (members-only link ­ if you can't see this and wish to join
>>>         please contact me)
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ Assign Roles*
>>>
>>>         *Chairs: *Nigel Megitt
>>>
>>>         *Scribe:* usually Nigel ­ open to offers!
>>>
>>>         *Regrets: *Andreas
>>>
>>>         *Activity since last meeting:** *
>>>         See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific
>>> products
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Cross-product TTWG
>>>                 board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
>>>                 <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/>
>>>
>>>             *We are still using tracker for /actions/ unrelated to
>>> issues.*
>>>             *Please do not add or modify /issues/ in tracker!*
>>>
>>>
>>>             IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse>
>>>             TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse>
>>>             TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse>
>>>             TTML Profile
>>>             Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse>
>>>             TTML-WebVTT
>>>             mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse>
>>>
>>>             WebVTT:* *https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead*
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         Check-point for order of topics ­ I'd suggest, subject to
>>>         reordering:
>>>         1. TPAC advanced planning
>>>         2. IMSC
>>>         3. TTML issue assignment and progress tracking
>>>         4. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc
>>>         5. WebVTT feedback (David Singer to Chair if present)
>>>         6. HDR in PNG
>>>         7. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder)
>>>         8. AOB ­ please notify of any other AOB now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
>>>
>>>         _July Meetings:_
>>>
>>>         Thursday 13th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>>         Thursday 20th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>>         Thursday 27th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>>>
>>>         _Further ahead:_
>>>         _
>>>         _
>>>         Thursday 3rd August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>>         Thursday 10th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>>         Thursday 17th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
>>>         Thursday 24th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
>>>         Thursday 31st August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>>>
>>>         _
>>>         _
>>>         _IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events:_ see the timeline of
>>>         upcoming work
>>>         at
>>>
>>>_https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IM
>>>SC2_work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IM
>>>SC2_work>
>>> _
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ TPAC 2017 Advanced planning*
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         As Chair I have completed the WBS survey, requesting:
>>>
>>>         Attendance for ~10 people.
>>>         No preference for date, meet on any two days.
>>>         Flexible about days.
>>>         Joint meeting with CSS WG and with Web and TV IG.
>>>         Avoid overlap with Web and TV IG.
>>>         Permit observers.
>>>         Not member confidential.
>>>         Estimate ~6 attending technical plenary.
>>>         Estimate ~3 attending AC sessions Tuesday and Thursday.
>>>
>>>         https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html>
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         Chair was asked for further clarification about the joint
>>>         meetings and the overlap avoidance; since Web and TV IG are
>>>         likely to meet on the Monday, and CSSWG on the Monday and
>>>         Tuesday, I requested Thursday and Friday for the main TTWG
>>>         meetings with joint agenda slots with the other two groups on
>>>         Monday and/or Tuesday.
>>>
>>>         ID     State     Title     Person     Due Date     Associated
>>> with
>>>         ACTION-497
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497>(edit)
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497/edit>
>>>         open     Invite csswg to joint meeting at tpac 2017, with list
>>>of
>>>         topics. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497>
>>>         Nigel Megitt     2017-06-15
>>>
>>>
>>>         _Collate list of the issues we want to open with CSS WG_
>>>         _
>>>         _
>>>         We need to put this together as part of the agenda for a
>>>request
>>>         to meet at TPAC.
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)*
>>>
>>>         _IMSC1.0.1 Internationalisation issues_ (if Richard and/or
>>>         Addison are able to attend)
>>>
>>>         _Progress on publication of IMSC 1.0.1 CR_
>>>
>>>         The transition request has been made with a request to proceed
>>>         without a Director's call. However the team and Director has
>>>not
>>>         managed to process this in time for publication on July 6th as
>>>         requested.
>>>
>>>
>>>         IMSC 1.0.1 WD for Wide Review published
>>>         at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/>
>>>         IMSC 1 Rec available
>>>         at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/>
>>>         Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived
>>>         at
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html>
>>>
>>>         Editor's draft is directly viewable
>>>         at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
>>>         <http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html>
>>>         IMSC Implementation
>>>         Page:
>>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page
>>> <https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page>.
>>>         IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests>
>>>
>>>         *Unicode CLDR discussion*
>>>         Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
>>>         <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915>
>>>         Pierre's response to the recent update is
>>>         at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
>>>         <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9>
>>>         Email response from Shervin at
>>>         Unicode
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html>
>>>
>>>         Merged IMSC pull requests: None
>>>
>>>         Open IMSC pull requests: None
>>>
>>>         New or discussed IMSC issues: None
>>>
>>>         Closed IMSC issues:
>>>
>>>             Should the character sets be minimum *font* requirements?
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/236>
>>>
>>>             Prepare CR draft <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/244>
>>>
>>>             ittp:activeArea clarification
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/227>
>>>
>>>             Determination of the color in leading in tts:fillLineGap
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/228>
>>>
>>>             Publish CR <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/248>
>>>
>>>         Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>>>
>>>         Open IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>>>
>>>         New or discussed IMSC Tests issues:
>>>
>>>             Text does not overflow in WrapOption00X.ttml
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/22>
>>>
>>>         Closed IMSC Tests issues: None
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ TTML issue assignment and progress tracking (20
>>>minutes
>>>         maximum)*
>>>
>>>         We have now published the WD for WR however there are still
>>>many
>>>         issues open, and we intend also to apply multiple fixes as
>>>         already agreed for TTML1.
>>>
>>>         At the moment of writing this agenda, there are:
>>>
>>>         TTML1 issues:
>>>
>>>           * 28 open issues with no milestone, 1 (#199) marked as
>>>             discussed and agreed
>>>           * 48 open issues in "3rd Ed" milestone, 14 marked as
>>>discussed
>>>             and agreed
>>>
>>>         TTML2 issues:
>>>
>>>           * 1 open issues on the Editor's WR Work List milestone, of
>>>             which 1 is not labelled as "PR Open";
>>>           * 50 open issues with no milestone, all of which have no PR,
>>> and
>>>           * 7 open issues awaiting some feedback on disposition, which
>>>             are in the "Group's WR action required list" milestone,
>>>             including #316 which is to review the deprecations before
>>>             finalising the WR.
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions
>>> etc*
>>>
>>>         Horizontal Review:
>>>
>>>         CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with
>>>         CSS
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and
>>> Fwd:
>>>         Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
>>>
>>>         Internationalisation review by r12a has generated several new
>>>         issues on TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below),
>>>         this week mainly about alignment with relatively recent CSS
>>>         developments.
>>>
>>>         CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement
>>>of
>>>         CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When
>>>         can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
>>>
>>>         Actions:
>>>         ID     State     Title     Person     Due Date     Associated
>>> with
>>>         ACTION-443
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>(edit)
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit>
>>>         open     Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension
>>>         features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>
>>>Glenn
>>>         Adams     2016-08-26     TTML2
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
>>>         ACTION-462
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>(edit)
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit>
>>>         open     Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other
>>> versions
>>>         and profiles of ttml"
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>
>>>Glenn
>>>         Adams     2016-04-28     TTML2
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Most recent WD published
>>>         at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106>/
>>>
>>>         Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: None
>>>         Merged TTML2 Pull Requests:
>>>
>>>             Add audio related features (#195).
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/396>
>>>
>>>         Open TTML1 Pull Requests: None
>>>
>>>         Open TTML2 Pull Requests: None
>>>
>>>         New TTML1 Issues: None
>>>
>>>         New TTML2 Issues: None
>>>
>>>         Closed TTML1 Issues: None
>>>         Closed TTML2 Issues:
>>>
>>>             Add support for Audio Description requirements
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195>
>>>
>>>         Discussed TTML1 Issues: None
>>>         Discussed TTML2 Issues: None
>>>
>>>             Questions about ttp:mediaOffset
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/323>
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Focus topic(s) for this week*
>>>
>>>         What should we focus on next while TTML2 is in WR ­ TTML1 3rd
>>>Ed?
>>>
>>>         _Issues_
>>>
>>>         *Iterate through open issues with no PR* ­ decide action to
>>>take
>>>         on each, e.g. defer to CR, defer to TTML.next, close etc.
>>>
>>>         If there are any issues that we decide need to be resolved
>>>         before WR *a proposal for the fix* is needed ASAP (basically,
>>>         it's too late already unless it can easily be agreed by the
>>> group).
>>>
>>>
>>>         Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues> and
>>> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues>
>>>         See spreadsheet of editorial actions
>>>         at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx>
>>>         Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/
>>>         at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md>
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback*
>>>
>>>         ID     State     Title     Person     Due Date     Associated
>>> with
>>>         ACTION-396
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>(edit)
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit>
>>>         open     Produce evidence of request for wide review for
>>>webvtt,
>>>         for the archive
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>
>>>David
>>>         Singer     2015-04-17     WebVTT 1.0
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8>
>>>
>>>
>>>         _Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps._
>>>
>>>         What are the WG's views on the dispositions generated by the
>>>CG?
>>>
>>>         _Resolve to publish a new WD? (not strictly necessary)_
>>>
>>>         WebVTT Wide review wiki
>>>         page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review>
>>>
>>>         Open Pull requests:
>>>
>>>             Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>>>
>>>         Merged Pull requests: None
>>>
>>>         New issues: None
>>>         Closed issues: None
>>>
>>>         Recently discussed issues:
>>>
>>>             Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ HDR in PNG*
>>>
>>>         Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq
>>>         <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq>
>>>         Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/
>>>         <https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/>
>>>
>>>         Merged pull requests: none
>>>
>>>         Open pull requests:
>>>
>>>             Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>>>
>>>         New or discussed issues:
>>>
>>>             Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
>>>             <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>>>
>>>         Closed issues: None
>>>
>>>         Note that there has been some positive feedback about the
>>>         direction of this recently.
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ **HTMLCue proposal progress update.*
>>>
>>>         ID     State     Title     Person     Due Date     Associated
>>> with
>>>         ACTION-441
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>(edit)
>>>         <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441/edit>
>>>         open     Kick off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html
>>>         idea. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>
>>>         Andreas Tai     2015-11-05
>>>
>>>
>>>         See
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html> for
>>>         further information on this, this week.
>>>
>>>         Also HTML import and HTMLCue?
>>>
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Sep/0003.html>
>>>email
>>>         from 2016-09-06.
>>>
>>>         [placeholder agenda item]
>>>
>>>
>>>         *Agenda+ AOB*
>>>
>>>         *References*
>>>
>>>         Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
>>>         <http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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