- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:18:14 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D2288F50.28049%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
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Go to https://mit.webex.com/mit/mc 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". For best practices with webex https://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/WebExBestPractices Agenda+ Assign Roles Chair: Nigel Megitt Scribe: [to assign during meeting] Regrets: Activity since last meeting (which was less recent than usual!): Actions: Action-422, Action-423; Issues discussed: Issue-406, Issue-407, Issue-410, Issue-411, Issue-412, Issue-415, Issue-418, Issue-419, Issue-420, Issue-421, Issue-422, Issue-423, Issue-424, Issue-425, Issue-426, Issue-427, Issue-428, Issue-430, Issue-432, Issue-433, Issue-434; Issues raised: Issue-416, Issue-417, Issue-429, Issue-431, Issue-435, Issue-436, Issue-437, Issue-438, Issue-439, Issue-440, Issue-441, Issue-442, Issue-443, Issue-444, Issue-445, Issue-446; TTML profile registry; Change of location for Community Group WebVTT editor's draft (as well as change of editors). Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest: 1. Action Items 2. TPAC 2015 3. IMSC 1 Test Suite and Implementation Report 4. TTML and WebVTT mapping document 5. Progress on HTMLCue proposal 6. Unicode liaison 7. @codecs registry 8. Issues 9. WebVTT comments 10. TTML2 Editorial actions 11. TTML Versions note 12. Change proposals 13. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now! Reminder re future milestones and meetings: Further ahead: IMSC and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_IMSC1.2C_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work October Meetings: Thursday 1st October: TTWG phone meeting 1 hour Thursday 8th October: TTWG phone meeting 1 hour Thursday 15th October: TTWG phone meeting 1 hour Thursday 22nd October: TTWG phone meeting 1 hour Thursday 29th October: TTWG phone meeting 1 hour Agenda+ Action items Action items due – see relevant sections below. Action items pending review – see relevant sections below. Action items overdue ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-364<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/364>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/364/edit> open Add paragraph in intro that summarizes changes from ttml1 (comment from tm)<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/364> Glenn Adams 2015-04-17 TTML2<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> ACTION-383<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/383>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/383/edit> open Missing XML declaration<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/383> Glenn Adams 2015-04-30 TTML 1.0<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/1> ACTION-384<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/384>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/384/edit> open Ensure consistency in ttml2 w.r.t. inline progression dimension vs direction<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/384> Glenn Adams 2015-04-16 TTML2<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> ACTION-386<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/386>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/386/edit> open Investigate whether region style inheritance from tt is necessary given the ability to redefine initial values<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/386> Glenn Adams 2015-04-17 TTML2<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> ACTION-404<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/404>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/404/edit> open Add note to issue 341 to reflect his current thinking<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/404> Glenn Adams 2015-06-11 ISSUE-341<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/341> ACTION-420<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/420>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/420/edit> open Follow up with glenn on issue-406<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/420> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux 2015-09-10 NB Various other actions are in their relevant sections below. Agenda+ TPAC 2015 Placeholder agenda item in preparation for TPAC 2015 in Sapporo. Advanced registration is now open for TPAC. See http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/ for further details. The schedule is at http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/schedule Our wiki page is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2015 Agenda+ IMSC CR2, Test Suite and Implementation Report IMSC test suite and Implementation Report https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Report. Discussion point: following up from last week, what should we do to prompt implementors? Agenda+ TTML and WebVTT Mapping Document https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml-webvtt-mapping/mappingbetweenTTMLandWebVTTW3C.html ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-422<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/422>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/422/edit> pending review Update the mapping document status of this document to include feedback mechanism.<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/422> Courtney Kennedy 2015-09-24 TTML WebVTT mapping note<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/11> Agenda+ HTMLCue proposal progress update. [placeholder agenda item] Agenda+ Unicode liaison. Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915 [placeholder agenda item] Agenda+ @codecs registry. https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CodecsRegistry Thread beginning at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Aug/0036.html Agenda+ Issues Issues Raised ID State Title Raised on Product Open Actions ISSUE-414<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/414>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/414/edit> RAISED tts:direction should apply independently to paragraph (p)<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/414> 2015-09-09 TTML2 0 ISSUE-416<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/416>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/416/edit> Profile RAISED This should be (also) published as profile of TTML1<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/416> 2015-09-18 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-417<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/417>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/417/edit> RAISED #writingMode constraint inconsistent in image profile<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/417> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-429<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/429>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/429/edit> RAISED Glyph vs code point in HRM<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/429> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-431<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/431>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/431/edit> RAISED Example of documents that fail the HRM<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/431> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-435<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/435>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/435/edit> RAISED Forbidden font family names<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/435> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-436<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/436>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/436/edit> RAISED Move Overview to Annex<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/436> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-437<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/437>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/437/edit> RAISED #time-clock is forbidden<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/437> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-438<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/438>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/438/edit> RAISED Forbidden #length-cell<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/438> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-439<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/439>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/439/edit> RAISED #length-pixel forbidden<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/439> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-440<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/440>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/440/edit> RAISED Add support for ittp:aspecRatio<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/440> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-441<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/441>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/441/edit> RAISED Support for itts:forcedDisplay<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/441> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-442<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/442>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/442/edit> RAISED Adding background-image support<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/442> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-443<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/443>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/443/edit> RAISED #backgroundColor-region forbidden<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/443> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-444<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/444>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/444/edit> RAISED Forbidden timeExpressions<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/444> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-445<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/445>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/445/edit> RAISED Line breaking algorithm<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/445> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-446<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/446>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/446/edit> RAISED Should be a subset of IMSC1<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/446> 2015-09-23 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 Issues Pending Review ID State Title Raised on Product Open Actions ISSUE-404<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/404>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/404/edit> PENDING REVIEW Where is #image feature defined?<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/404> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-405<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/405>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/405/edit> PENDING REVIEW why is #nested-span prohibited on image profile?<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/405> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-407<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/407>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/407/edit> PENDING REVIEW Excluding #bidi and #direction on image profile is inconsistent<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/407> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-408<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/408>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/408/edit> PENDING REVIEW Initial value of color<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/408> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-409<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/409>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/409/edit> PENDING REVIEW Font family of default means monospaceSerif<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/409> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-410<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/410>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/410/edit> PENDING REVIEW Constraints on #linePadding and #multiRowAlign<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/410> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-411<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/411>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/411/edit> PENDING REVIEW "shall be inherited" on #multiRowAlign<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/411> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-412<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/412>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/412/edit> PENDING REVIEW The term 'SHALL' should not be used in the definition of Related Video Object<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/412> 2015-09-03 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-415<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/415>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/415/edit> TTML2 PENDING REVIEW TTML2 is confusing<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/415> 2015-09-18 TTML WebVTT mapping note 0 ISSUE-419<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/419>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/419/edit> PENDING REVIEW Overflow recommendations + #overflow feature<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/419> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-420<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/420>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/420/edit> PENDING REVIEW The TTML timing vocabulary does not have elements<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/420> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-422<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/422>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/422/edit> PENDING REVIEW Presented region + itts:forcedDisplay<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/422> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-424<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/424>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/424/edit> PENDING REVIEW Awkward text re: smpte:backgroundImage dimensions<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/424> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-425<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/425>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/425/edit> PENDING REVIEW Awkward prose re: smpte:backgroundImage and ittm:altText<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/425> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-426<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/426>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/426/edit> PENDING REVIEW MHP vs W3C reference for PNG<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/426> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-427<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/427>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/427/edit> PENDING REVIEW Misc prose tweaks<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/427> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-430<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/430>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/430/edit> PENDING REVIEW independent variables in the HRM<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/430> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-432<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/432>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/432/edit> PENDING REVIEW Multiple layers of background color in HRM<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/432> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-433<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/433>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/433/edit> PENDING REVIEW Presented image definition<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/433> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 ISSUE-434<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/434>[(edit)]<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/434/edit> PENDING REVIEW Behavior in case of multiple images in a region<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/434> 2015-09-21 TTML IMSC 1.0 0 There are 62 open issues listed in the system. Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback ACTION-396<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit> open Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396> David Singer 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> Placeholder for discussion on WebVTT review feedback. Agenda+ Note on TTML versions Draft at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/5ee90ec0d897/ttml-status/index.html Reminder to all to review this and provide feedback to Cyril. Agenda+ TTML2 editorial actions See spreadsheet of actions at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes.xlsx Edit/build instructions now in README.txt in ttml2/spec/ at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/file/tip/ttml2/spec/README.txt More volunteers welcomed! Agenda+ Change Proposals – progress and review Change Proposal Index is at http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex The current priority 2 CPs (needs to be complete before WD for Wide Review) are: 5 OPEN 2 Jerry Smith TTML2 HTML5 Mapping semantics<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal005> 7 OPEN 2 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux TTML2 3D extensions<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal007> 9 OPEN 2 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux IMSC2 Complexity model<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal009> 11 OPEN 2 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux TTML2 Metadata vocab<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal011> 15 OPEN 2 Glenn Adams TTML2 Style.CSS additions<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015> 17 OPEN 2 Glenn Adams TTML2 Style.Defaults<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal017> 19 OPEN 2 Glenn Adams TTML2 Style.Syntax fixes<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal019> 21 OPEN 2 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux TTML2 Typography.I18n<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal021> 25 OPEN 2 Nigel Megitt TTML2 Distribution<https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal025> Agenda+ AOB References Tracker <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/trackerTTML> <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker%C2%A0> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/><http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker%C2%A0>/<http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/> Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk<http://www.bbc.co.uk/> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. 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