- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 15:15:37 +0000
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
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Thanks everyone for attending today's TTWG meeting. Minutes in HTML format can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html
We made 1 resolution:
RESOLUTION: We will request transition of the current ED of IMSC 1 as a second Candidate Recommendation
The review period under our Decision Policy [1]for this resolution ends on Wednesday 20th May 2015.
[1] Decision Policy: http://www.w3.org/2014/03/timed-text-charter.html#decisions
In text format:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
07 May 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
nigel, mdolan, courtney, pal, glenn
Regrets
plh, atai, tmichel
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]This meeting
2. [5]Actions
3. [6]Issues
4. [7]IMSC CR2
5. [8]TTML2 editorial actions
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 07 May 2015
<scribe> scribe: nigel
This meeting
nigel: goes through agenda. AOB?
group: no AOB.
nigel: I'm told we will be transitioning from Zakim to Webex
for audio calls. That means we will have
... the opportunity to do screen sharing too. We will continue
to use IRC for logging, minutes etc.
... One plus point of Webex is that we can use it to dial any
international number.
... In my experience the VOIP functionality in Webex isn't as
good as getting it to dial out to a normal
... line (even if that normal line is another provider's VOIP
service!).
... Looking further ahead I'll be on vacation on 18th and 25th
June, so if anyone wants to step in
... and chair then let me know, otherwise the default will
likely be that we don't meet on those days.
Actions
action-390?
<trackbot> action-390 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the
multirowalign and linepadding ttml files to have shorter lines
of text -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/390
[10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/390
nigel: Andreas told me he's happy with this so I propose to
close it.
close action-390
<trackbot> Closed action-390.
action-391?
<trackbot> action-391 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the
multirowalign and linepadding pngs to match the ttml -- due
2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/391
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/391
nigel: On this one Andreas said he found the dotted line
representing the root container region to be
... confusing. I plan to edit the test page to say "the dotted
line represents the root container region".
... The reason I put it in was that typically the PNGs might be
viewed in a browser and the edges are
... invisible when displayed against a white holding page.
... Oh, Andreas has just contributed by email.
[12]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Repo
rt#Tests
[12] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Report#Tests
nigel: He says it's important to clarify that the dotted lines
are the root container region.
pal: You need also to say that the dotted lines are not part of
the rendering. I don't personally think
... that the dotted lines are needed but if they're going to be
there it should be clear that they shouldn't
... be rendered. I also would recommend that they're not there.
I think someone who cares is going to
... download the PNG and use that rather than opening in a
browser.
nigel: Okay I'm happy to trim the PNG to be the correct size
and take out the confusing wording.
close action-391
<trackbot> Closed action-391.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel Trim dotted lines out of PNGs and edit
test text [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-402 - Trim dotted lines out of pngs
and edit test text [on Nigel Megitt - due 2015-05-14].
action-389?
<trackbot> action-389 -- Andreas Tai to Check with ebu group if
we can have a combined event at ibc with ebu group and imsc/w3c
-- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/389
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/389
nigel: As co-chair of this group and the EBU XML Subtitles
group I'm party to the discussion on both sides.
... The conclusion was yes, it is fine to give a joint
presentation with Andreas, Pierre and me on the EBU
... stand to publicise this part of the family of TTML specs.
Precise details of the presentation to be agreed.
pal: I'll work with you and Andreas on that.
close action-389
<trackbot> Closed action-389.
nigel: There are no more actions with work on them - all the
remaining actions we opened at the F2F
... are now by default overdue.
glenn: I've completed action-385
action-385?
<trackbot> action-385 -- Glenn Adams to Remove stereoleft and
stereoright from <bound-parameter> -- due 2015-04-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/385
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/385
glenn: I'm in the process of pushing that to Hg right now.
pal: I think I've closed Action-397, or it's pending review.
nigel: Yes, I think we need also to generate a CR snapshot with
the updated SOTD etc.
glenn: You can go ahead and close action-385 as I've removed
the bound parameters; the other stuff
... about changing disparity is separate to this action.
nigel: Glenn, can you go ahead and set the action to Pending
Review once you've added the changeset
... reference as normal?
pal: Can we look at action-365?
action-365?
<trackbot> action-365 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review
change proposal 21 in the light of closure of issue-229. -- due
2015-03-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/365
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/365
<pal> [17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal021
[17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal021
pal: As I recall the resolution to this discussion was to
inform SMPTE of the choices that this group has
... made. I think we can close Action-365.
... I have reviewed CP-21, identified differences to the SMPTE
request, and we've taken the follow-up
... action. So I think we can close it.
Action-365: [TTWG Meeting 2015-05-07] Pierre: I have reviewed
CP-21, identified differences to the SMPTE request, and we've
taken the follow-up action.
<trackbot> Notes added to Action-365 Review change proposal 21
in the light of closure of issue-229..
close action-365
<trackbot> Closed action-365.
nigel: CP21 has one open issue, Issue-231, so we can't close
the CP yet.
issue-231?
<trackbot> issue-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
[18] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
nigel: Do we wait for a response for Issue-231?
pal: We can't hold up for SMPTE - we don't know what response
they will give.
mike: SMPTE will respond - I don't know if the Digital Cinema
folk need the arbitrary glyph rotation.
pal: There were two or three dispositions in the message to
SMPTE that were not exactly coincident with
... the SMPTE request sourced from Digital Cinema.
mike: Pierre, let's follow up offline.
pal: Sure.
nigel: Okay we'll leave Issue-231 and CP-21 open for the time
being.
Issues
issue-382?
<trackbot> issue-382 -- Require a computed non-indefinite begin
time -- pending review
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/382
[19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/382
nigel: Pierre made a change, I reviewed it, and Pierre updated
the text this week.
pal: Overall the direction didn't change.
nigel: Right, we just tightened up the language.
pal: The recommendation is still the same, to have a begin and
end that apply to content elements.
close issue-382
<trackbot> Closed issue-382.
issue-388?
<trackbot> issue-388 -- ttp:timeBase not required on tt --
pending review
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/388
[20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/388
pal: I think there had been some confusion there in the input
document. The intent was not to mandate
... the presence of the attribute ttp:timeBase on the root
element, but merely to mandate that the "media"
... timeBase be used. So now IMSC 1 reflects that.
close issue-388
<trackbot> Closed issue-388.
nigel: I guess this means that the list of changes relative to
CR1 needs to include these.
pal: The list I already sent includes issue-388 and issue-382.
IMSC CR2
nigel: We can propose to adopt the current ED as a new CR as
per Pierre's email
[21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015May/0005
.html
[21] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015May/0005.html
PROPOSAL: We will request transition of the current ED of IMSC
1 as a second Candidate Recommendation
RESOLUTION: We will request transition of the current ED of
IMSC 1 as a second Candidate Recommendation
nigel: We need to set an earliest CR exit date criterion. Are
we going to make that the earliest it can be,
... 4 weeks after publication, at the earliest?
pal: +1
nigel: And aside from that will the exit criteria be exactly
the same as the first CR?
pal: My only concern is getting implementation experience.
nigel: Do we need to discuss this when we have a staff contact
present?
pal: I like that suggestion - let's discuss with plh or
tmichel.
... I don't think we should let this block transition though,
so we should push ahead with any actions
... needed to advance the process.
<scribe> ACTION: plh Arrange Director call for IMSC 1 CR2
transition request [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-403 - Arrange director call for imsc
1 cr2 transition request [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due
2015-05-14].
pal: I'll stand by to create the CR2 branch with the updated
SOTD etc in ready for publication.
TTML2 editorial actions
nigel: Has there been any more input on this?
glenn: Not as far as I know.
nigel: It seems that nobody has had trouble looking at the
spreadsheet.
[23]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes
.xlsx
[23] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes.xlsx
pal: What's the action related to Issue-224?
nigel: It's to add an example TTML fragment and how it should
render, for the disparity feature in
... §10.2.10 (ID 033 in the spreadsheet).
pal: In fact there's already an example, it just needs an
image.
... I'll take that one. I'll have to decode tts:position - I'll
do my best!
glenn: I'll be able to generate some of the examples from my
TTPE project, for features like the Ruby
... and other Japanese features that have been implemented so
far. The other ones may have to be done
... manually if there's no implementation available yet for
that feature.
... I'll update the list and mark on those that TTPE will be
able to generate.
nigel: We're out of time so, just a reminder that if you want
to practice chairing on 18th or 25th June
... please let me know. Thanks everyone, I'll adjourn now -
meet again same time next week.
... [adjourns meeting]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: nigel Trim dotted lines out of PNGs and edit test
text [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: plh Arrange Director call for IMSC 1 CR2
transition request [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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