- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:48:55 +0200
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference
23 Aug 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0236.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
daveL, dF, fsasaki, Declan, leroy, omstefanov, tadej,
Milan, philr, Des, jörg, michael
Regrets
Yves, Dominic, Arle
Chair
daveL
Scribe
dF, fsasaki, daveL
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]agenda review
2. [6]Issue 42 - inheritance of agents info related to
confidence type of data across categories
3. [7]Data Category Specifications
4. [8]Publication
5. [9]data categories
6. [10]Test suite
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<daveL> previous minutes;
<daveL> [12]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html
agenda review
Agenda approved
daveL: are there comments on previous minutes?
no comments
daveL: Felix, what about the interaction with the HTML5 WG?
fsasaki: I gave background last time, are you asking what are
the next steps?
daveL: I guess our categories should be digestible for HTML5 WG
fsasaki: each category will need an HTML5 example
... I have a long standing AI to make the draft more HTML5
friendly, I am not sure how to procede, addind HTML5 examples
is obvious
... I posted today a quality example with javascript
... it demonstrates ITS interoperability with a browser
philr: This scenario seems to resonate with us. We should be
able to make a lightweight implementation
fsasaki: It would be good to have it open source
philr: Let me consider it..
fsasaki: We need uptake from the HTML community
daveL: This is also interesting for the CMS-L10n platform
... Felix, do you think it is selling category by category or
persuade them that ITS is generally a good idea
Felix: We need to specify lists
... What I would push internally in W3C, have examples, but do
not have HTML5 WG redo every category
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to folow up with W3C management on the
approach [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-199 - Folow up with W3C management on
the approach [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-08-30].
<daveL>
[14]http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link
_type_extensions
[14] http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions
daveL; wouldn't be the microdata registration approach useful?
fsasaki: should not be difficult
<fsasaki>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to create a new column for HTML5 in the
above table [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-200 - Create a new column for HTML5
in the above table [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-08-30].
Issue 42 - inheritance of agents info related to confidence type of
data across categories
fsasaki: I did not get to this action item, recalling what was
discussed two weeks ago
... the overlap might not be as big
tadej: In my mail I exposed that mtConfidence and text
analytics confidence have different targets
... selector for a consolidated data cetagory?
<fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
david: I said: either the info goes to provenance, or it goes
to categories
... the real issue arle + felix have seen:
... sometimes the information is in conflict
... you cannot deal with it with standard inheritance
... for mtconfidence, that is not an issue
... it is about content
... agree with what tadej said:
... the target of text analytices confidence
... and mtconfidence are different
ta confidence is metadata about metadata
scribe: mtconfidence is metadata about data
... hence there is no inheriteance conflict with mtconfidence
... I concluded for mtconfidence that I would wait for felix to
propose general inheritance formulation
... as part of issue-42
... issue-42 has also other parts. that is conflicting
information
... mtconfidence doesn't has dependence on that
<dF> fsasaki: yves separated a general confidence
<dF> .. no more inheritance issue with quality
<scribe> scribe: dF
.daveL: global and local for mtConfidence
daveL: it might be good to stick with a specific translation
agent, not introduce an mt Confidence agent.
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to produce a strawman how to deal with
mtConfidence using the general translation agent [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Produce a strawman how to deal
with mtConfidence using the general translation agent [on David
Lewis - due 2012-08-30].
Joerg: what is the import, proces or data?
daveL: we need to tie the info to the producing software as
agent
Joerg: I got you
fsasaki: should be done by next call
Data Category Specifications
daveL: Micha, do you wnat to give update on splitting the
special requirement into three?
Micha: not sure about the purpose
... display size, storage size, and forbidden characters
<scribe> ACTION: Micha to follow up on display size data
category [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha
<scribe> ACTION: Micha to follow up on storage size data
category [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha
dF: Would give chance to Pedro and/or Arle to pick up the
forbidden character data category
fsasaki: I suggest to drop forbidden character if the solution
is not found by the end of the next week
<scribe> ACTION: Micha: To post to the list that owner is
needed for the forbidden character otherwise it will be dropped
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha
Micha: is it characters or bytes
... ?
Publication
<fsasaki> Update change log. Update table with overview of data
categories. Change html5 examples (are borken, e.g. empty
"span" element). Check editor notes for new data categories.
Add placeholder for mtconfidence. add "html5 column" to sec.
6.1
fsasaki: I need some time to agree on it, so that it can go out
next week
<fsasaki>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html
fsasaki: we will need placehoder for mtConfidence
... we already have some other placeholders
... I propose to publish by Thursday
daveL: what about quality?
<fsasaki>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Loc
Quality#Localization_Quality_Precis
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LocQuality#Localization_Quality_Precis
fsasaki: part of quality already there
... with warning that it is in flux
daveL: are we happy to publish on that basis? Objections?
tadej: sounds good
fsasaki: Thanks
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to publish next draft by next thursday,
with the edits described above [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Publish next draft by next
thursday, with the edits described above [on Felix Sasaki - due
2012-08-30].
data categories
<daveL> scribe: daveL
dF: mtconfidence need some minor editorial, but also
dependencie to issue 42
... on inheritence info which felix is looking at
... and strawman on translationAgent from DaveL
... so won't be mature till these issues are closed
<joerg> What about naming conventions: Localization Quality
Precis (mixed en-US + fr-FR) vs. Localization Quality Precise
(en-US)?
<dF> daveL: now named entity, Tadej, do you wnat to comment?
<dF> Tadej: RDF people do no see the need to specify
disambiguation source
<dF> .. but we need to include it, trying to look for a
compromise
<dF> tadej: maybe realxing requirements for a pointer, inlcude
options for local identifiers, or RDF URIs
<dF> .. this should be a good way to reconcile
<dF> .. this should be ready by tomorrow
<dF> daveL: translation agent and translation revision agent
<dF> .. should be done in a day or two
<dF> daveL: Provenance
<dF> .. I need to add pointer
<dF> .. still need to look at the provenance WG work, but this
will need to go into non-normative
<dF> .. Provenance WG are making final call in September, they
contacted us
<dF> .. provenance URL, we shoudl probaly require URI
<dF> .. I will write to them to that effect
<dF> Tpic: Test suite
Test suite
<fsasaki_> see test suite discussion at
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-tests/
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/
<dF> tahnks, felix
<dF> daveL: any suggestions to the test suite development?
Formats?
<dF> Declan: more formally
<dF> daveL: there is a technical discussion on the list
<dF> .. we need to keep up with the spec
<dF> we need help with use case development, not always the
sample files conversion is sufficiently comprehensive
<dF> daveL: meeting adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to produce a strawman how to deal with
mtConfidence using the general translation agent [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to create a new column for HTML5 in the
above table [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to folow up with W3C management on the
approach [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to publish next draft by next thursday,
with the edits described above [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Micha to follow up on display size data category
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Micha to follow up on storage size data category
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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