- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:03:30 -0500
- To: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures <public-apa@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKdCpxw14cMsZSzbVi1MUyN=wKaBozGdmuiAdzBduw6JgYp-mA@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all, the minutes form today's call can be found at:
https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html
or copied below:
- DRAFT -
Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference29 Jun 2016
See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-irc>
Attendees
PresentJanina, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, JF, Fred, Gottfried, Rich, fesch,
CynthiaRegretsChairJaninaScribeJF
Contents
- Topics <https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#agenda>
1. preview agenda with items from two minutes
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item01>
2. RQTF Reminder
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item02>
3. SVG Nested Links?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0054.html
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item03>
4. TPAC 2016 Planning
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item04>
5. Formal Review Request
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0059.html
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item05>
6. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item06>
7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item07>
8. HTML 5.1 input type="password
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0053.html
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item08>
9. HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Cynthia, Michiel
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item09>
10. CSS A11y TF Draft
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#item10>
- Summary of Action Items
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
- Summary of Resolutions
<https://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-apa-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>
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preview agenda with items from two minutes
<scribe> scribe: JF
JS: any edits to agenda?
... any news?
Gottfried:
at meeting in prague - new standard on usesr-preferences
and new API
this will be of intereste to W3C
RQTF Reminder
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0042.html
JS: reminder that this TF is still recruiting
<Gottfried> GZ: JTC1 SC36 is going to develop a revision of 24751-1 on user
preferences which will include a registry for concepts, a format for
preference sets and and API for preference servers.
JS: we need a good group organized here, we will be dependent on them going
forwaard
SVG Nested Links?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0054.html
JS: Fred had some question on this topic
FE: active discussion on the ARIA thread, and we will be discussing later
today on SVG WG call
... have received lots of good feedback
TPAC 2016 Planning
JS: actively soliciting agenda ideas for TPAC
... please add to the wiki
Formal Review Request
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0059.html
JS: we have received a formal request to do a formal review
we need to respond on this spec
JS: thinks Fred might have had an action item on this, but thinking of
asking Matt King to respond
JF: what about Research TF?
JS: too soon - this is a request to comment on a spec going through
transition
MC: yes, there is some additional time-line pressure on this
... they may have intended for us to review the CR version, but the 'rush'
was a bit of a shock
<MichaelC> Webmention and Activity Streams are docs we decided we don't
need to review. Micropub is one we wanted to come back to, so perhaps it's
time now. Social Web Protocols is one we assigned to Fred back in January
but he hasn't returned on that yet.
MC: some of these are going to CR soon - dates not available
FE: if I had an action item on this... it was a low-level thing
... don't remember this
MC: wiki doesn't show anything. Possible we missed deferring this - need to
crosscheck
FE: I can look at this again
<MichaelC> action-2002?
<trackbot> action-2002 -- Fred Esch to Review social web protocols
https://www.w3.org/tr/social-web-protocols/ -- due 2016-01-20 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2002
JS: there are a couple of specs here - we may need to break this up. Divide
and conquer
MC: it seems the only spec we need to worry about is MicroPub
FE: I recall this being very low-level: little tiny APIs
MC: believes this is in the tracker... will look into this
<MichaelC> action-2014 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2014 Review micropub https://www.w3.org/tr/micropub/ due
date to 2016-07-06.
MC: will set this to next week - asigned to Fred E.
... recommend we respond to taht group, with a note to wait on review of
MicroPub
... if anyone else wants to re-review feel free, but we feel they were done
alreay
Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
MC: lots of revies due today
2 actions on cynthia and Michiel - neither on call
MC: will re-assign.
<MichaelC> action-2064 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2064 Review html 5.1 diff to determine scope of
review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes due date to
2016-07-06.
action-2064
<trackbot> action-2064 -- Janina Sajka to Review html 5.1 diff to determine
scope of review needed https://www.w3.org/tr/html51/changes.html#changes --
due 2016-07-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2064
action-2063
<trackbot> action-2063 -- Janina Sajka to Review internationalization best
practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ --
due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2063
<MichaelC> action-2063 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2063 Review internationalization best practices for
spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ due date to
2016-07-13.
JS: ran out of time - will defer 2 weeks
action -2062
action-2062
<trackbot> action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom counter styles
https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
<MichaelC> action-2062 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles
https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2016-07-13.
MC: defer for 2 weeks
<MichaelC> action-2062 due 1 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2062 Re-review custom counter styles
https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ due date to 2016-07-06.
JS: shorten this to 1 week instead
action-2058
<trackbot> action-2058 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review css properties and
values api level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ --
due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2058
CS: will need 2 more weeks
<MichaelC> action-2058 due 2 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2058 Review css properties and values api level 1
https://www.w3.org/tr/css-properties-values-api-1/ due date to 2016-07-13.
MC: shold we close this?
<MichaelC> close action-2058
<trackbot> Closed action-2058.
JS: likely
action-2053
<trackbot> action-2053 -- Shane McCarron to Review
https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing
scoped credentials -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2053
<MichaelC> action-2053 due 3 weeks
<trackbot> Set action-2053 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web
authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials due date to
2016-07-20.
defer 3 weeks
action-2048
<trackbot> action-2048 -- John Foliot to Review
https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed
text markup language 2 (ttml2) -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2048
<MichaelC> action-2048 due 1 week
<trackbot> Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text
markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-07-06.
action-2047
<trackbot> action-2047 -- Michiel Bijl to Review css grid layout
https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2047
JS: will need to defer that - leave for Michiel
MC; close action, and defer to CSS TF
MC: noting in wiki thatwe need to look at this more however
<MichaelC> close action-2040
<trackbot> Closed action-2040.
action-2011
<trackbot> action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how
the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be
solidified -- due 2016-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011
JS: this is still in transit - waiting on Michiel - leave open
new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
MC: 1.5 new on TR
<MichaelC> CSS Scroll Snap Module Level 1
<https://www.w3.org/TR/css-scroll-snap-1/>
CSS Scroll snap points - related to the one JF is looking at. Has been
republished as CSS Scroll snap module level 1
MC: causes a discontinuity on oour wiki - started a new wiki page
... have cleaned up our wiki {{grumble}}
<MichaelC> Page Visibility 2 <https://www.w3.org/TR/page-visibility-2/>
JF: this sort of looks like it's related to CSS visibility - if so, likely
not an issue
MC: looking at the api, it doesn't seem to be something that has an impact
on us
... will mark as 'reviewed'
{{LOL}}
HTML 5.1 input type="password
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jun/0053.html
JS: large discussion. Part of it may have come into our space
Rich has noted the security issues in HTML5.1 and type="password"
JS: is this a flaw, or something thta we need to address
RS: the issue is that type=password is not secure today. Passwords can be
cached, you can inpsect and examine the password value in the UI
... this means that anyone can find your password thanks to cache - look at
the value and boom, you have somebody's password
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say second-hand report is security not
intended for HTML password and to say nonetheless JC said there´s secure
storage at least on his browser that´s not
MC: Judy has discussed this with Wendy S, and there is an intent to address
this - it's being seen as a feature not a bug
JamesN found other issues and mentioned them on a different call this week
there may be other issues due to lack of specification
in the HTML5 spec, the spec says it SHOULD mask output
but not sure exactly what is required, but we can do it at CR phase now
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say password security not actually our
domain
JS: notes this is already an issue, and W3C is aware - security group is
supposed to be chasing this
when we meet with securtiy at TPAC, we should express our concern, but not
our issue to follow up on
RS: concern is that Apple doesn't want to implement due to lack of
security, but type=password is not secure, so there isn't an issue
MC: Safari may or may not have additional security there
JS: do we want more explanatory language in the spec?
<MichaelC> (and other browsers may more may not as well)
by noting the impact on Assistive TEchnology
MC: most AT will render as masked content, but that seems tobe very base
level
RC: the other issues is that browssrs are allowing for snooping of the value
It isn't an a11y issue, but it *IS* an issue
MC: we should advise the security folks of our shock, and we can discuss
with them the impact on AT
JS: yes, we need some key-echo on mobile in paticular
MC: question is, how hard do we push the security folks with our dismay?
... need to be mindful of other WG's domains
JS: agreed, but this opens up other issues we are looking at
RC: the password role will likely be pushed to ARIA 2.0
if that is the case, I just want to avoid the retreaded discussion we had
already
we all know that password is not bery secure anyway - we recognize the need
for a fundemental change
MC: agree there is a need for change - but it isn't an APA issue
we will request time with the security folks at TPAC
we can address it then - noting our collective discomfort
JF: notes that the browsers are a critical players here
MC: correct, and the security folks need to take it to the HTML5 WG
<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to make minor technical point
Joanie: there is an actual issue with ATs - we fixed the one we found on
our platform, but there may still be an issue (HTML AAM thing?)
MC: agree
... we note that any script can get access to the value, find it weird that
AT cannot
JS: will put this on the wiki as a TPAC question - we will likely request
joint meeting
... notes as well that this is on agenda for Research TF going forward
MC: added to TPAC scratch page
HTML 5.1 Diff Review -- Cynthia, Michiel
JS: not ready to discuss this week?
CS: changes are not that large, and chatting with Travis indicated it would
take about amonth for 2-3 people
so if we broke up the change list into 3 buckets
CS: (notes re-add of @longdesc)
... the question is, can things proceed as is, versus looking at what we
missed that shuld go into 5.2
JS: any ideas on how to break up the changes into 3 buckets
CS: not really at this time - a ToDo
might start by asking for volunteers
CS: we will need to think about breaking things up: higher level process -
how docs relate to each other, what will future versions look like, and OMG
we can't ship like this today
JS: looking at the list - anything else jumping out?
<MichaelC> close action-2064
<trackbot> Closed action-2064.
JS: will re-add to agenda for next week - please look over the change log
and start thinking about taking on specifics
CSS A11y TF Draft
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/css-a11y/work-statement
JS: sent out an email this morning
getting nervous about this info - need to do a wider announcement
CS: will do so ASAP
MC: we need to get cracking on this - work is happening now
JF: can we wait a wekk/10 days?
JS: important that we don't fall behind
... apologies to Fred, we will take up the rest of the agenda next week
... any last minute comments?
... thanks - meeting ajourned
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action ItemsSummary of Resolutions[End of minutes]
--
John Foliot
Principal Accessibility Strategist
Deque Systems Inc.
john.foliot@deque.com
Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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