Re: {minutes} TTWG Meeting 29/5/2014

Extensions moved to the IMSC 1.0 Namespace at [1].

[1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/bee0c30a1a7d/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html

Best,

-- Pierre

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
<pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
>>  forcedDisplay could be defined in an IMSC specific extension namespace though;
>
> Sounds good! Thanks.
>
> -- Pierre
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
>> couple of comments inline
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Minutes available at: http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html
>>>
>>>
>>>    [1]W3C
>>>
>>>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>>
>>>                                - DRAFT -
>>>
>>>                 Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
>>>
>>> 29 May 2014
>>>
>>>    See also: [2]IRC log
>>>
>>>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-irc
>>>
>>> Attendees
>>>
>>>    Present
>>>           pal, mike, nigel, jdsmith
>>>
>>>    Regrets
>>>           Frans, de, Jong
>>>
>>>    Chair
>>>           nigel
>>>
>>>    Scribe
>>>           nigel
>>>
>>> Contents
>>>
>>>      * [3]Topics
>>>          1. [4]IMSC Issues raised
>>>          2. [5]F2F In Geneva
>>>      * [6]Summary of Action Items
>>>      __________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> Date: 29 May 2014
>>>
>>>    <scribe> scribeNick: nigel
>>>
>>> IMSC Issues raised
>>>
>>>    issue-320?
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> issue-320 -- Is normative SMPTE 2052 reference okay?
>>>    -- raised
>>>
>>>    <trackbot>
>>>    [7]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/320
>>>
>>>       [7] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/320
>>>
>>>    nigel: 3 main concerns: licensing, quality of specification and
>>>    structural references.
>>>
>>>    pal: SMPTE has requested that we add backgroundImage to TTML2
>>>    so we can move to that definition in IMSC2
>>>
>>>    nigel: We can define backgroundImage in IMSC1 and then port it
>>>    into TTML2 and make the namespace change now rather than in
>>>    IMSC2.
>>>
>>>    pal: Rather than guessing what the TTML2 solution will be now
>>>    we would be able to move more quickly if we reference the
>>>    SMPTE-TT definition and then update IMSC 2 when the TTML 2
>>>    feature has been agreed.
>>>    ... We could guess wrong and end up with 3 approaches instead
>>>    of 2!
>>>
>>>    nigel: That leaves the second concern of precision in terms of
>>>    2052-1 feature definition.
>>>
>>>    mike: If there is a gap then we can simply add the gaps to
>>>    IMSC1.
>>>    ... If there are any areas that are unclear in 2052-1 we should
>>>    a) communicate them to SMPTE and b) clarify it for our
>>>    purposes.
>>>
>>>    pal: I don't have a concern with smpte:backgroundImage but
>>>    we'll address it when we find one.
>>>
>>>    nigel: I've set this issue to Pending Review and added a note
>>>    for the approach we plan to take.
>>>
>>>    issue-312?
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> issue-312 -- forcedDisplay attribute is metadata so
>>>    should be in ttm not tts namespace -- open
>>>
>>>    <trackbot>
>>>    [8]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/312
>>>
>>>       [8] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/312
>>>
>>>    nigel: I raised this due to the wording in the current draft of
>>>    IMSC 1
>>>
>>>    pal: Forced subtitles are those which are displayed regardless
>>>    of the user's preference to display or hide subtitles. An
>>>    example is translated subtitles in the Avatar film.
>>>    ... The idea is to deliver a single document that will work for
>>>    both the standard subtitle use case and the forced case, and
>>>    for the presentation to be dependent on the user preference.
>>>
>>>    mike: In the context of a media file it's not simple to select
>>>    multiple TTML documents simultaneously so what's forced or not
>>>    forced needs to be in the same document.
>>>    ... Even when the subtitle track is not selected to be visible
>>>    then the decoder should present the forced subtitles on the
>>>    screen. The use case also includes translations of signs
>>>    visible in video in foreign languages.
>>>    ... Clearly we need more definition of the semantics of this
>>>    attribute.
>>>
>>>    nigel: We have two change proposals that can provide for this
>>>    feature, which would result in changes in TTML2
>>>
>>>    pal: My proposal would be to adopt the current mechanism and
>>>    then switch in IMSC 2 dependent on TTML2.
>>>
>>>    mike: concurs with pal.
>>>
>>>    nigel: The forcedDisplay mode is currently in the ttml
>>>    namespace, yes?
>>>
>>>    pal: It is, because I could not reference the DECE namespace.
>>>    One approach would be to define an IMSC1 specific namespaces,
>>>    or to keep in ttml namespaces and when we get to TTML2
>>>    deprecate it or indicate 'don't use this'.
>>>
>>>    mike: We can't extend the ttml namespace can we, without
>>>    modifying TTML1?
>>
>> we can only modify the ttml namespace(s) in TTML2 at this juncture; we can't
>> add new features/extensions to TTML1; forcedDisplay could be defined in an
>> IMSC specific extension namespace though;
>>
>> also, I would suggest that if a forcedDisplay signal is present in a
>> document, there should also be a top-level metadata attribute (on tt
>> element), such as usesForcedDisplay, that signals that forcedDisplay is used
>> somewhere in the document.
>>
>>>
>>>    <scribe> ACTION: pal Add wording to describe semantics of
>>>    forcedDisplay in IMSC 1 for ISSUE-312 [recorded in
>>>    [9]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action01]
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-292 - Add wording to describe
>>>    semantics of forceddisplay in imsc 1 for issue-312 [on
>>>    Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-06-05].
>>>
>>>    <scribe> ACTION: pal Research appropriate namespace for
>>>    forcedDisplay feature in IMSC 1 for ISSUE-312 [recorded in
>>>    [10]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action02]
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-293 - Research appropriate namespace
>>>    for forceddisplay feature in imsc 1 for issue-312 [on
>>>    Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-06-05].
>>>
>>> F2F In Geneva
>>>
>>>    <Dsinger_> 70 for 2 days
>>>
>>>    <Dsinger_> I would say use canteen myself
>>>
>>>    nigel: There will be a fee for food which needs to be agreed in
>>>    advance, 70 CHF for 2 days for a proper lunch.
>>>    ... we can choose to use this or use the canteen which is
>>>    cheaper and more basic, and doesn't offer a proper 'sit down
>>>    lunch'.
>>>    ... It's in the same place either way, but there's no advanced
>>>    planning needed to buy food in the canteen. The sit-down option
>>>    is more 'civilised' but takes longer.
>>>
>>>    mike: Subject to it being in the same place on the top floor at
>>>    EBU I think we should go for the non-prepaid option.
>>>
>>>    [11]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014
>>>
>>>      [11] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014
>>>
>>>    <scribe> ACTION: nigel Create a sign-up wbs survey for Geneva.
>>>    [recorded in
>>>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action03]
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-294 - Create a sign-up wbs survey for
>>>    geneva. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-06-05].
>>>
>>>    nigel: we need some WebVTT folk too.
>>>
>>>    <scribe> ACTION: dsinger Socialise the Geneva F2F meeting
>>>    amongst the WebVTT community [recorded in
>>>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action04]
>>>
>>>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Socialise the geneva f2f
>>>    meeting amongst the webvtt community [on David Singer - due
>>>    2014-06-05].
>>>
>>>    <Dsinger_> Bye
>>>
>>> Summary of Action Items
>>>
>>>    [NEW] ACTION: dsinger Socialise the Geneva F2F meeting amongst
>>>    the WebVTT community [recorded in
>>>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action04]
>>>    [NEW] ACTION: nigel Create a sign-up wbs survey for Geneva.
>>>    [recorded in
>>>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action03]
>>>    [NEW] ACTION: pal Add wording to describe semantics of
>>>    forcedDisplay in IMSC 1 for ISSUE-312 [recorded in
>>>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action01]
>>>    [NEW] ACTION: pal Research appropriate namespace for
>>>    forcedDisplay feature in IMSC 1 for ISSUE-312 [recorded in
>>>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-tt-minutes.html#action02]
>>>
>>>    [End of minutes]
>>>      __________________________________________________________
>>>
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