Re: hgroup

The usage for <hgroup> is not necessarily immediately intuitive, but as an
author working on an HTML5 book, I do see the utility of the element. I
would also request a reversion, subject perhaps to a more clear distinction
in the HTML5 working draft outlining the distinction between the use of
<hgroup> as compared to <header> as a non-normative section in the
document.

Kurt Cagle
Invited Expert, XForms Working Group, W3C
Managing Editor, XMLToday.org
kurt.cagle@gmail.com
443-837-8725


On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> On 05/04/2011 05:00 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
>> Hi Jirka,
>>
>> the html list is not the place to comment on the editing theatre we have
>> all been an audience to, but I will say that the decision about hgroup
>> is a last call issue [1] and will be dealt with by the HTML working
>> group during last call, at that time if it is decided by the working
>> group that hgroup should be removed or modified then the appropriate
>> changes will be made to the W3C HTML5 specification.
>>
>> [1] ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
>>
>
> Correct.
>
> If the co-chairs decide to request a revert, it will not affect that issue,
> and we will not consider a request to revert the revert.
>
> The following is the timeline towards last call that we are operating
> towards:
>
>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
>
> Specifically,
>
>  Oct 1, 2010 - cutoff for bugs to be considered as pre-LC feedbac
>>
>
> The bugs that were entered on hgroup were created well after that cutoff:
>
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11737
>
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11828
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11731
>
> This is being tracked as an issue:
>
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-164
>
> The next step is that the co-chairs will issue a call for Change Proposals:
>
>
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#change-proposals
> .
>
> The effect of such a call will be to set a deadline for such proposals.
>  The consequence of missing that deadline is that the issue will deferred to
> the next version of HTML:
>
>
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#escalation-step-2a
>
> Meanwhile, there is nothing stopping anyone from working on a Change
> Proposal now.
>
>  regards
>> stevef
>>
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
>  On 4 May 2011 09:52, Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz
>> <mailto:jirka@kosek.cz>> wrote:
>>
>>    Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>     > yes, and as 2 working group members have requested a revert of
>>    the change
>>     > the editor decided to make
>>     > I expect to see it back in HTML5 soonish.
>>
>>    And if I will chase another 2 WG members to request revert of this
>>    revert will hgroup be removed soonish after soonish reintroduction?
>>
>>    Holy crap, I though that I'm member of working group and not a member
>> of
>>    absurd comedy company here.
>>
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>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
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