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>>>> [1]
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/2010Aug/threadl#msg184
>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features
>>>> [3]
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but-conforming-features
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>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268
>>>> [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Stachowiak
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>>>> 森祡
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>>>> Kenny
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>>>> On 2010/09/30, at 8:06, bugzilla@jessica.w3.org wrote:
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>>>>  http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10838
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>>>>>        Summary: Make <u> conforming.
>>>>>        Product: HTML WG
>>>>>        Version: unspecified
>>>>>       Platform: PC
>>>>>            URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but-
>>>>>                 conforming-features
>>>>>     OS/Version: All
>>>>>         Status: NEW
>>>>>       Severity: major
>>>>>       Priority: P3
>>>>>      Component: HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson)
>>>>>     AssignedTo: ian@hixie.ch
>>>>>     ReportedBy: kennyluck@w3.org
>>>>>      QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org
>>>>>             CC: mike@w3.org, public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org,
>>>>>                 public-html@w3.org, public-i18n-cjk@w3.org,
>>>>>                 public-html-ig-zh@w3.org
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>>>>>
>>>>> This was discussed in a long thread[1] three years ago. There was no
>>>>> consensus
>>>>> and no response from the editor, but since some people like Maciej
>>>>> think we can
>>>>> make <u> at least conforming[2], I would like to raise this bug to
>>>>> catch the
>>>>> editor's attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proper name mark, in Chinese [3] is a use case that was slightly
>>>>> mentioned in
>>>>> the thread (see also an example picture[4]). The purpose of this mark
>>>>> is to
>>>>> highlight *every* proper noun in some text to help the reader break
>>>>> words,
>>>>> cause Chinese people don't use spaces for word breaking. Although it is
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer popular recently, proper name mark is still used in some
>>>>> textbooks in
>>>>> Taiwan (esp. children's Chinese textbook) and Hong Kong. Because the
>>>>> purpose
>>>>> and frequency of using "proper name mark" in a piece of text is similar
>>>>> to code
>>>>> highlighting, I personally don't think it's appropriate to use <mark>
>>>>> for this
>>>>> purpose since the spec says "This (<mark>) is separate from syntax
>>>>> highlighting, for which span is more appropriate." But then <span
>>>>> class="pn">
>>>>> is probably too long. This is not yet a very prevalent use case because
>>>>> proper
>>>>> name marks are often used in combination with vertical text and
>>>>> vertical text
>>>>> is not yet popular on the Web.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I do strongly agree that an underlined text which is not a
>>>>> hyperlink
>>>>> confuses the user in his/her browsing experience, there are HTML user
>>>>> agents
>>>>> for which browsing the Web isn't the main purpose and hence the user
>>>>> might not
>>>>> get confused. e-book readers are such examles.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268
>>>>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0307
>>>>> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_name_mark
>>>>> [4] http://www.go8.com.tw/files/4168%200004.jpg
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Zi Bin Cheah / 郅赽棄
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>>> Web Evangelist
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