agenda for 1 August 2012 call

Chair:		Aleecia
Main topic:	Reviewing pending review texts 

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Administrative
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1. 	Selection of scribe

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Old business
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2.  	Review of overdue action items:  http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

3.	Any comments on minutes posted a week ago:
	http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-dnt-minutes
	http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-dnt-minutes
	http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dnt-minutes
	http://www.w3.org/2012/06/21-dnt-minutes
	http://www.w3.org/2012/06/22-dnt-minutes
	http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-dnt-minutes

4.	Quick check that callers are identified

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New business
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5. 	Discussion of face-to-face meeting

6.	Discussion of how we move forward on permitted uses

7.	We will work our way through a number of pending review texts, all of which have had ample time for people to read and reflect upon.

	(a) Re-direction, shortened URLs, click analytics -- what kind of tracking is this? (ISSUE-97)
ACTION-196 on Justin Brookman: Draft text on whether url shorteners are first or third parties
	Text: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0106.html 

	(b) Third parties should be prohibited from acting or representing themselves as first parties. (ISSUE-123)
ACTION-116 on Thomas Lowenthal
	Original text: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0618.html
	Proposed edit: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Mar/0126.html

	(c) Third party as first party - is a third party that collects data on behalf of the first party treated the same way as the first party? (ISSUE-49)
ACTION-161 on Shane Wiley: work on issue-49
	Text: http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/161

	(d) ACTION-208 on Ian Fette: Draft a definition of DNT:0 expression -- issue-148
	Text under discussion (after a few edits): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0314.html
		Suggestion for addition http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0421.html which may not work: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0428.html
	Counter-proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0313.html

	(e) Specify "absolutely not tracking" (ISSUE-119)
ACTION-110 on Ninja Marnau: Write proposal text for what it means to "not track"
Text: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0362.html
Counter-proposal from Roy: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0403.html
Several people suggested changes, mostly "let's call this something other than 'not tracking' please." One suggestion there: "Exceeds the compliance standard and does not collect and retain any data"

Buried in this discussion was David Singer's attempt to define tracking: "Tracking is the retention or use, after a transaction is complete, of data records that are, or can be, associated with a single user." (I'd append: ", user agent, or device.")   Unlike every other time someone has made the attempt, the one and only reply was in support. Does that mean we can live with this?


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8. 	Announce next meeting & adjourn

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