- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 23:47:32 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's SSN Sub Group meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes
Thanks to Simon for scribing. The SSN doc should be ready for FPWD
imminently.
Text version of the minutes provided below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
17 May 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-irc
Attendees
Present
SimonCox, kerry, DanhLePhuoc, robin, ByronCinNZ,
RaulGarciaCastro, kjanowic, SefkiKolozali_Unis, JRamsay,
roba, ClausStadler, ahaller2, phila
Regrets
ScottSimmons
Chair
Kerry
Scribe
simon
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]approve minutes
http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes
2. [5]patent call
3. [6]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
4. [7]review FPWD http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
5. [8]Documentation section 4
6. [9]URL for SSN & SSN-DUL
7. [10]Modularisation section 3
8. [11]modularization
9. [12]Work Plan Section 5
10. [13]Any other burning and essential FPWD issue
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
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present
Webex password rejected
<RaulGarciaCastro> SimonCox: sdwssn
<SefkiKolozali_Unis> present SefkiKolozali_Unis
<Kerry> scribe: simon
scribenick+ SImonCox
<ahaller2> i am having troubles connecting, the phone keeps
dropping
<Kerry> scribeNick: SimonCox
<KJanowic> Cannot get the webex password to work
approve minutes [16]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes
[16] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes
<ClausStadler> same name as the channel without the '#'
<DanhLePhuoc> +1
<Kerry> +1
motion: approve minutes
<RaulGarciaCastro> +1
<JRamsay> +1
<ClausStadler> +1
<ahaller2> +1
RESOLUTION: approve minutes
item: patent call
patent call
<Kerry> patent call:
[17]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[17] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
no patent items.
[18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
review FPWD [19]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
[19] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
Documentation section 4
<Phila-offline> Apologies - BT Broadband problems (the two are
synonymous)
SimonCox - concerned that documentation e.g.
[20]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892
[20] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892
still makes reference to 'Situation' which is DUL concept
Kerry: yes, still based on the original SSN documentation
<KJanowic> SimonCox: Maybe add more warning to make clear that
this documentation will be replaced (in some places).
<ahaller2> +1 for a caveat on top
<scribe> ACTION: Danh to add caveat related to documentation
replacement [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Add caveat related to
documentation replacement [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
Danh: Some missing pieces of documentation, e.g.
skos:exactMatch?
would have to be done manually
<Kerry> ACTION: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section
to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in
accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it
was [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-171 - Write a caveat around ssn doc
section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in
accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it
was [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
some dc:source information is not carried through to
automatically generated LODE documentation
Kerry: since documentation is only in 'annotation' properties
does not matter ...
<KJanowic> josh: fine as long as we agreed that this draft will
not later limit our proposed changes.
josh: conflicting priorities - intent to re-factor (modular,
O&M alignment, PROV alignment) vs. need to get FPWD out,
despite content issues - we are wll clear that FPWD is not a
constraint on future revisions
[23]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan and 'Status'
section
[23] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work
<phila> I did a *lot* of manual editing... so I probably
introduced more than one error.
<KJanowic> Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If
we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that
will not make it into the final version anyway?
Armin: typo in condition description?
<phila> <a name="blah"></a> is *so* last century...
+1 @KJanowic
<Kerry> ACTION: danh to fix "dition" class [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-172 - Fix "dition" class [on Danh Le
Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
<Kerry> Sefki saying that ssn is only human-readable, nor
machine readable
Sefki: propose major refactor for 'timeline' support
@KJanowic - do you want to join q?
"<KJanowic> Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If
we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that
will not make it into the final version anyway?"
KJanowic: group agrees that there will be major changes, so
should not issue working draft, so as not to waste people's
time commenting?
Kerry: group lifetime is a pressure - need to publish early and
often - plenty of precedent for draftier drafts in W3C
Purpose of FPWD is to solicit comment
Timeline was set in Dec 2015, Feb 2016
ALready one month late
There is no realistic alternative ...
<SefkiKolozali_Unis> My question was about local restrictions
vs global restrictions. Since SSN Ontology is using global
restrictions, SSN Ontology is missing domain and range
definitions for properties. This can causes some problem when
one is parsing the ontology or mapping the ontology into a
library.
scribe: but must be sure of support for publishing current
draft
<Kerry> +q
<KJanowic> @Sefki: guarded domain and range restrictions were
added on purpose vs global domains and ranges
Armin: add comment that modularization does not yet represent
the ultimate intention
Kerry: all in [25]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan
[25] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work
Armin: modularization until now only relates to splitting out
DOLCE, not the other re-factoring
<roba> Needs to be in introductory/scoping section
Task: Armin to write words to explain intentions around
modularization, RDFS
<Kerry> ACTION: armin to write a little more about
modul,arisation re currnet state [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Write a little more about
modul,arisation re currnet state [on Armin Haller - due
2016-05-24].
URL for SSN & SSN-DUL
Currently [27]https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
[27] https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
Modularisation section 3
modularization
[28]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
[28] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
SimonCox: segmentation text is rather hard to read - could it
be improved (examples?)
<Kerry> ACTION: armin to add examples to modularisation
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Add examples to modularisation
[on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24].
SimonCox - 'horizontal' vs 'vertical' a bit abstract
<josh> +1 - the spatial analogy has little meaning. Axiomatic
versus subclass dimensions makes more sense
<KJanowic> I simply forgot to consider that, sorry. Happy to
change this.
<KJanowic> The wiki ahaller2 pointed to:
[30]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
[30] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
<roba> +1
Armin: "/" URIs proposed to best support modularization
... including URIs for modules
<Kerry> Work Plan section 5
Work Plan Section 5
[31]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan
[31] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan
Any other burning and essential FPWD issue
no reponse
SefkiKolozali_Unis: relationship with sensors/IoT
... still unclear how to contribute
[32]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewritin
g_SSN
[32] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewriting_SSN
DanhLePhuoc: add diagrams in Section 4 to explain relationship
to patterns etc
Kerry: too late
... but if you can add diagrams to Wiki, will be added to next
version
<KJanowic> +1 for SamplingFeature. I also added this to the SSN
core proposal:
[33]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
[33] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
<scribe> ACTION: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Add sampling features in issue
biox [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].
<josh> Perhaps it just seems something to do "after"
re-factoring
<Kerry> ACTION: kerry to put issue box around sampling features
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Put issue box around sampling
features [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about issues
phila: make formally tracked issues consistently
... it is essential that issues are tracked, and that we link
to them
WHat is mechanics to add items to tracker?
<Kerry> w3c tracker it is
<phila> issue: Align SSN to to implement Best Practices as
defined in our BP deliverable.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-42 - Align ssn to to implement best
practices as defined in our bp deliverable.. Please complete
additional details at
<[36]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42/edit>.
[36] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42/edit
issue: Add treatment of Sampling Features in SSN
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-43 - Add treatment of sampling
features in ssn. Please complete additional details at
<[37]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/43/edit>.
[37] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/43/edit
<josh> bye
<KJanowic> Thanks, bye bye
<ahaller2> hi byron
<roba> bye
<ahaller2> bye
<SefkiKolozali_Unis> bye
<RaulGarciaCastro> Bye!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: armin to add examples to modularisation [recorded
in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: armin to write a little more about
modul,arisation re currnet state [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Danh to add caveat related to documentation
replacement [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: danh to fix "dition" class [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section to
go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance
with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: kerry to put issue box around sampling features
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05
[39] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04
[40] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01
[41] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03
[42] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02
[43] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06
[44] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07
Summary of Resolutions
1. [45]approve minutes
[End of minutes]
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