- From: Matt Womer <mdw@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:20 -0500
- To: public-bpwg@w3.org
Hi All,
The minutes from today's teleconference are available here:
http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html
And as text below.
New action items:
[NEW] ACTION: Bryan to raise specific points of discussion on Public
List [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action04
]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to amend charter with black box part [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action02
]
[NEW] ACTION: matt to post a questionnaire re June f2f by Feb.21
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Scheppe to sort out administrative aspects of TF like a
Web page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action03
]
RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK Pro Charter as suggested by Kai under
ACTION-639 modified to make clear ref black box testing
Thanks for letting me crash your party!
-Matt
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14 Feb 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Feb/0034.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
Shahriar, Jason, +91.44.42.22.aaaa, Matt, MartinJ, miguel,
Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, +0793201aabb, abel, jo,
murari, Yeliz, Sean_Owen, Kai_Dietrich, +0207287aacc, rob,
achuter, Matt.a
Regrets
Dom, Francois, Nacho, Phil, Chaals, DKA, Heiko, Kemp, Eman,
Tony_Johansson, David_Rooks, SeanP
Chair
Jo
Scribe
edm, Jo
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Korea F2F
2. [6]June f2f
3. [7]F2F Zaragoza
4. [8]reports from Task Forces
5. [9]Checker Task FOrce
6. [10]MobileOk Pro
7. [11]WCAG2.0
8. [12]BP-2
9. [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Access
ibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASU
RES
10. [14]Accessibility Doc (bis)
11. [15]issues and actions
12. [16]OPen Actions
13. [17]open issues
* [18]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot-ng> Date: 14 February 2008
<scribe> scribe: edm
<scribe> scribenick: edm
<scribe> agenda: f2f update
Korea F2F
jo: questionnaire is now open to confirm/unconfirm attendance of the
Seoul f2f
<jo> [19]Seoul Questionnaire
[19] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/seoulf2f/
jo: completing the questionnaire would be mandatory
... please complete within a week....
... DanA working on the agenda for the Mobile Wednesday event in
Seoul
June f2f
F2F Zaragoza
jo: need to confirm the Zaragoza location today - f2f during the
week of June 9
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: JUne F2F to be held week of 9th June in
Zaragoza
<Bryan> -1
<jo> +1
<matt> -1
<matt> This F2F, as with the one in March is in conflict with Voice
Browser WG
jo: would like to request posting a questionnaire for the June f2f
... moving the date would require moving to a different location
+1
<MartinJ> +1
jo: let's defer making a decision until it is clear if the meeting
could be rescheduled yet remain in Zaragoza
<scribe> ACTION: matt to post a questionnaire re June f2f by Feb.21
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-657 - Post a questionnaire re June f2f
by Feb.21 [on Matt Womer - due 2008-02-21].
reports from Task Forces
jo: nothing new to report re Content TF - no call this week
Checker Task FOrce
srowen: beta release of reference checker is now complete
... should be a near final version, but May release expected after
remaining bugs are weeded out
<yeliz> mute yeliz
MobileOk Pro
Kai: had a f2f last week in London - produced a revised charter and
created first draft of MobileOk Pro tests
... draft MobileOk Pro test document to be available within a couple
of weeks
<jo> ACTION-639?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-639 -- Kai Scheppe to create a more elaborate
charter with times, deliverables -- due 2008-02-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/639
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/639
<jo> [22]Proposed mobileOK Pro Charter
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Feb/0027.html
<srowen> (sorry, construction going on outside the window)
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK Pro Charter as suggested
by Kai under ACTION-639 modified to make clear ref black box testing
<inserted> Scribe: Jo
RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK Pro Charter as suggested by Kai under
ACTION-639 modified to make clear ref black box testing
<inserted> Scribe: edm
<Kai> ACTION: Kai to amend charter with black box part [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-658 - Amend charter with black box part
[on Kai Scheppe - due 2008-02-21].
jo: suggests creation of a dedicated page for MobileOk Pro TF
<jo> ACTION: Scheppe to sort out administrative aspects of TF like a
Web page [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-659 - Sort out administrative aspects
of TF like a Web page [on Kai Scheppe - due 2008-02-21].
<jo> close ACTION-639
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-639 Create a more elaborate charter with times,
deliverables closed
<jo> close ACTION-612
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-612 Write a charter for mobileOK Pro TF by
January closed
Kai: most of the MobileOk Pro related admin issues have been dealt
with
<jo> close ACTION-636
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-636 Put together a reasonble time table for
completion of mobileOK Pro by the end of BPWG closed
<jo> close ACTION-648
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-648 Update the charter document based on output
of F2F closed
<jo> ACTION-647?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-647 -- Kai Scheppe to create a response to the
concerns of the WG -- due 2008-02-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/647
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/647
<jo> cloase ACTION-647
<jo> close ACTION-647
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-647 Create a response to the concerns of the WG
closed
<jo> ACTION-643?
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-643 -- Kai Scheppe to post the test format to
the list -- due 2008-02-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot-ng>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/643
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/643
<jo> close ACTION-643
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-643 Post the test format to the list closed
Kai: Issue-236 requires a tool that emulates the DDC for testing
WCAG2.0
achuter: not much progress over the last week or two - same draft
still in place
<jo> [27]Resume from MEASURES
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASURES
Yeliz: working now on V1 comparison document ...
... not clear when this will be completed - should have an idea next
week
Achuter: there are WCAG2.0 provisions for using relative units of
measure
... Mininimal Keystrokes and NAVbar BP points are not mentioned in
WCAG2.0 as they are difficult to test...
... content w/o frames is usually easier to use by anybody ...
jo: break from WCAG for now - over to Bryan re BP2
BP-2
Bryan: still collecting comments on the existing BP-2 draft...
... perhaps bringing up specific BP-2 topics on the public list may
help ...
srowen: just sent a message to the list on that
<jo> ACTION: Bryan to raise specific points of discussion on Public
List [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-660 - Raise specific points of
discussion on Public List [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2008-02-21].
Sean message is at
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Feb/0059.htm
l
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Feb/0059.html
srowen: we should clarify ADC ...
Bryan: ADC is a broader scope question - need to be resolved by the
group...
srowen: concerned that not addressing the ADC assumptions could make
specifcying BPs quite difficult
jo: perhaps we should raise the ADC issue and have another
discussion on the public list
Kai: technical discussion should be on a public list ...
Bryan: but should the discussion of scope be on the public list?
<srowen> + 1 to discussing on the public list
Jo: yes - unless there are objections...
... back to review Alan's doc ...
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/draf
ts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASURES
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASURES
Accessibility Doc (bis)
<achuter> NON-TEXT_ALTERNATIVES
<jo> Resuming from
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/d
rafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#NON-TEXT_ALTERNATIVES
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#NON-TEXT_ALTERNATIVES
achuter: there are non-text elements other than images...
jo: do not rely on the longdesc attribute of the img element which
is often not supported
achuter: should clarify that plug-ins may interfere with assistive
technology - or be unavailable in a mobile environment
... page titles are quite important in a disability context - using
short titles (as per BP) may not be helpful
Yeliz: it is important to have descriptive titles - size matters
less...
jo: ... albeit having short titles makes sense in a mobile context
kai: spelling out the issues does not necessarily help to resolve
conflicting requirements (WCAG vs. mobile BP)
<achuter> yes
achuter: but there are also some WCAG - mobile BP synergies - e.g.,
having the most differentating info first does help...
<jo> [resume doc review at POP_UPs next time]
issues and actions
<jo> [32]Pending Review
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview
<jo> [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/408
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/408
<jo> close ACTION-408
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-408 Propose a rewording of the relevant section
re: Accept header closed
<jo> [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/488
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/488
<jo> close ACTION-488
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-488 Think about making scribing less onerous to
those who are new to it and those whose first language is not
English closed
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/529
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/529
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/530
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/530
<jo> leave ACTION-529 open pending further efforts by Ed
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
<jo> [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
<srowen> (this sounds defunct -- close it and let's move along)
jo: seems to be about mobileOk usage guidelines ...
<jo> close ACTION-545
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-545 Add about-me in moki closed
<jo> close ACTION-548
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-548 Set up simple web interface on top of Java
library for Alpha release closed
<jo> close ACTION-588
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-588 With Dan to raise this document at next HCG
meeting informing them of our intentions and soliciting input closed
jo: still working on
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/614
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/614
<jo> close ACTION-615
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-615 produce new draft closed
<jo> close ACTION-620
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-620 Raise issue of co-editorship vacancy closed
<srowen_> yes, prefer to take the time to finish off old actions
<srowen_> anything < 2008
OPen Actions
<jo> [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
edm promises to complete ACTION-530... soon...
<srowen_> 593 is defunct, it seems
<jo> close ACTION-593
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-593 Write a summary of preliminary work to be
done for this working group to focus on Best Practices for Web
applications closed
<jo> close ACTION-609
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-609 Get the work on the mobileOK test suite
started closed
<jo> close ACTION-616
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-616 Circulate his thoughts on BP2 so that we
set up an agenda closed
jo: [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/613
still open ..
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/613
<jo> close ACTION-617
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-617 Plan for a call to review document and
coordinate with OEWG on it. closed
edm: needs to work on
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/618
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/618
<jo> close ACTION-622
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-622 Add a section summarising the proposed
values and proposed names to next draft of Guidelines closed
<jo> close ACTION-623
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-623 Recast the Requirements section as a
Summary and make it accurate as compared with the details in section
4 closed
<jo> close ACTION-627
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-627 Make clear in the scope that we are talking
browsing here closed
<jo> close ACTION-635
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-635 Summarize all the points that needs answers
from mobileOK Pro TF closed
open issues
<jo> [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open
srowen: issues-210 and 214 recorded in bugzilla
jo: Checker Approval Criteria -
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/228 - how do
we know when the checker is done?
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/228
srowen: I guess all it should take is asking the WG memebers the
do-you-approve question ?
... would remind the WG that this question wil be asked in ~2
months...
jo:
Bye...
<abel_> bye
<yeliz> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Bryan to raise specific points of discussion on Public
List [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to amend charter with black box part [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: matt to post a questionnaire re June f2f by Feb.21
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Scheppe to sort out administrative aspects of TF like
a Web page [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
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