- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:02:16 -0500
- To: public-webid@w3.org
- Message-ID: <512296D8.5020502@openlinksw.com>
On 2/18/13 3:38 PM, Erich Bremer wrote: > Now, if we can harness all of this passion into a spec document, > WebID, I'm sure, will be a great hit. :-) -- Erich Yes, that's always been the goal. As usual, we sometimes strong differences about route choices :-) Kingsley > > On 02/18/13 2:57 PM, Henry Story wrote: >> This all reminds me of the Blues Brothers, a great film which I saw >> again >> just recently. >> >> The problems start with the scene where Jake sees the light [1] after >> the great >> sermon by James Brown, and from there on gets way too enthusisastic >> about this vision, ignoring the police reality around him. It ends >> with a mega car chase with all of the cops following our >> unlikely heroes who >> just want to save their local church [2]. >> >> So let's remember: religion is important there is no point in life >> if one >> cannot be enthusiastic about something, but please lets keep our feet >> on the ground, make sure we avoid alerting the patrol cars ( specs) >> read carefully what we are saying before sending it off, and consider >> the consequences of what we are doing before rushing all too >> enthusiastically into it. Every step has consequences - indeed if it were >> not so there would be no point in making any move at all. >> >> All the best, >> >> Henry >> >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCd5Qh3OtQ >> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMagP52BWG8 >> >> >> On 18 Feb 2013, at 20:16, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com >> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >> >>> On 2/18/13 1:34 PM, Andrei Sambra wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Kingsley Idehen >>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/18/13 12:17 PM, Henry Story wrote: >>>> >>>> On 18 Feb 2013, at 17:54, Kingsley Idehen >>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/18/13 11:38 AM, Mo McRoberts wrote: >>>> >>>> In which case, I'd propose raising something which >>>> results in the following vote (or even straw poll?) >>>> in order to settle this: >>>> >>>> “Is it likely to be helpful to some readers of the >>>> spec to include a short note to explain the purpose >>>> of hash URIs in the examples, or is it likely to be >>>> otherwise confusing?” >>>> >>>> If the answer to that is 'the former', then we can >>>> look at tweaking the wording. >>>> >>>> Note: others have made the same vote request, earlier >>>> in this discussion [1]. I guess, those requests weren't >>>> clear enough. >>>> >>>> It has been amply clear that you have made this proposal. >>>> >>>> Others are also allowed to make proposals on this forum. >>>> >>>> Henry >>>> >>>> >>>> Henry, >>>> >>>> Here is what a chair person would do, assuming they understood >>>> their role: >>>> >>>> On receipt of my initial mail they would have simply >>>> acknowledged the position and then clearly indicated the cause >>>> of action to follow. Instead, in typical fashion, you opted to >>>> deflect and basically trigger this thread. >>>> >>>> And by the way, you did ask for an issue to be opened, but not >>>> in an appropriate manner as it simply came across as trying >>>> awkward via process, when convenient to your cause of stifling >>>> disagreement. >>>> >>>> What I still don't understand: >>>> >>>> What gives you the distinguished position to unilaterally >>>> insert such a notice in the spec? What gives you the >>>> distinguished privilege to throw hurdles at those that oppose >>>> such unilateral actions by either the chair person or an editor? >>>> >>>> >>>> The notice was never "inserted", especially not by "exploiting the >>>> editor privilege" as you have stated earlier. I find that >>>> accusation very offensive and I would like to ask you to refrain >>>> from doing it again. The note was there from the beginning, when we >>>> split the spec last year. Please look at the mercurial history if >>>> you want to confirm it. >>>> >>>> In a functional community, you (or Andrei) would actually have >>>> put forth your intentions for discussion before they ended up >>>> in the spec document. This didn't happen, it cost you 0.00 >>>> (whatever units of timeccosts you choose) to insert the notice >>>> while charging those that oppose it a procedural tax. >>>> >>>> >>>> Henry actually suggested you open an issue, and here's a link to >>>> his email, which was sent 10 days ago: >>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0059.html >>>> >>>> Andrei >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ** slightly updated with some typo fixes etc.. ** >>> >>> Andrei, >>> >>> And guess what, I hereby apologize for making that accusation. >>> >>>> Please look at the mercurial history if you want to confirm it. >>> >>> Yes, I had a conversation with Melvin (offline) and he unveiled this >>> most vital piece of information. Now, bearing in mind my apology, I >>> am sure you realize that you could have pointed that out to me in >>> your earlier reply to my mail [1]. >>> >>> Henry: >>> >>> We are no strangers (as per Melvin's comments) and you know I am >>> quite fond of you, bearing in mind our travels. That said, I do get >>> frustrated when as a chair you don't spot opportunities to dowse >>> rather than fan flames [2]. Anyway, you are not uniquely responsible >>> for this thread, so I also apologize for some of the more personal >>> stuff. >>> >>> Contrary to popular misconception, I am extremely time challenged. I >>> start with a URL and work from there. I was of the (now proven >>> incorrect) opinion that Andrei unilaterally added the notice. I >>> didn't realize it was an artifact of the past. You could have simply >>> pointed that out to me (email or other methods, which you are well >>> aware of) as Melvin did. >>> >>> When I go out of my way to share Linked Data examples using Links I >>> am doing so to cut short the pathway to understanding my points. >>> Linked Data is ultimately about the power of Links etc.. I did >>> provide some examples using Links to specifically demonstrate the >>> nuances of this realm in relation to HTTP URI styles etc.. >>> >>> >>> Mo: >>> >>> One day we'll meet in person, clearly email isn't working for us >>> >>> All: >>> >>> As eluded to by Elf and Melvin (most recently), this shouldn't be >>> personal, so I apologize for my contribution to such deterioration >>> in this passionate discussion. For what its worth, I've traveled far >>> in this realm with Henry (he even took one the photos used in some >>> of my public profile documents). As for Andrei, I love what he's >>> done with http://my-profile.eu, it goes a long way to showcasing >>> what's possible with WebID, in a manner that works for end-users >>> especially. >>> >>> All I want is for WebID to succeed. The problem it solves is >>> crucial. I don't want it solved in 10 years time if we can kill >>> these issues right now. I want us to learn from mistakes that have >>> been made in the past e.g., how RDF/XML conflation nearly destroyed >>> RDF and the Semantic Web vision as a whole as a result of not paying >>> attention to undue conflation etc. >>> >>> Links: >>> >>> 1. >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0034.html >>> -- initial response from Andrei >>> 2. >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0031.html >>> -- an early response from Henry . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kingsley Idehen >>> Founder & CEO >>> OpenLink Software >>> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com >>> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >>> Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen >>> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >>> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Social Web Architect >> http://bblfish.net/ >> > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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