Re: Blues Brothers - Re: opening issue-74 - Re: (Dis)Proving that 303s have a performance impact.

Now, if we can harness all of this passion into a spec document, WebID, 
I'm sure, will be a great hit.  :-) -- Erich

On 02/18/13 2:57 PM, Henry Story wrote:
> This all reminds me of the Blues Brothers, a great film which I saw again
> just recently.
>
> The problems start with the scene where Jake sees the light [1] after 
> the great
> sermon by James Brown, and from there on gets way too enthusisastic
> about this vision, ignoring the police reality around him. It ends
> with a mega car chase with all of the cops following our 
> unlikely heroes who
> just want to save their local church [2].
>
>   So let's remember: religion is important there is no point in life 
> if one
> cannot be enthusiastic about something, but please lets keep our feet
> on the ground, make sure we avoid alerting the patrol cars ( specs)
> read carefully what we are saying before sending it  off, and consider
> the consequences of  what we are doing before rushing all too
> enthusiastically into it. Every step has consequences - indeed if it were
> not so there would be no point in making any move at all.
>
>   All the best,
>
>       Henry
>
> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCd5Qh3OtQ
> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMagP52BWG8
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2013, at 20:16, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com 
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/13 1:34 PM, Andrei Sambra wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Kingsley Idehen 
>>> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 2/18/13 12:17 PM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>
>>>         On 18 Feb 2013, at 17:54, Kingsley Idehen
>>>         <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             On 2/18/13 11:38 AM, Mo McRoberts wrote:
>>>
>>>                 In which case, I'd propose raising something which
>>>                 results in the following vote (or even straw poll?)
>>>                 in order to settle this:
>>>
>>>                 “Is it likely to be helpful to some readers of the
>>>                 spec to include a short note to explain the purpose
>>>                 of hash URIs in the examples, or is it likely to be
>>>                 otherwise confusing?”
>>>
>>>                 If the answer to that is 'the former', then we can
>>>                 look at tweaking the wording.
>>>
>>>             Note: others  have made the same vote request, earlier
>>>             in this discussion [1]. I guess, those requests weren't
>>>             clear enough.
>>>
>>>         It has been amply clear that you have made this proposal.
>>>
>>>         Others are also allowed to make proposals on this forum.
>>>
>>>         Henry
>>>
>>>
>>>     Henry,
>>>
>>>     Here is what a chair person would do, assuming they understood
>>>     their role:
>>>
>>>     On receipt of my initial mail they would have simply
>>>     acknowledged the position and then clearly indicated the cause
>>>     of action to follow. Instead, in typical fashion, you opted to
>>>     deflect and basically trigger this thread.
>>>
>>>     And by the way, you did ask for an issue to be opened, but not
>>>     in an appropriate manner as it simply came across as trying
>>>     awkward via process, when convenient to your cause of stifling
>>>     disagreement.
>>>
>>>     What I still don't understand:
>>>
>>>     What gives you the distinguished position to unilaterally insert
>>>     such a notice in the spec? What gives you the distinguished
>>>     privilege to throw hurdles at those that oppose such unilateral
>>>     actions by either the chair person or an editor?
>>>
>>>
>>> The notice was never "inserted", especially not by "exploiting the 
>>> editor privilege" as you have stated earlier. I find that accusation 
>>> very offensive and I would like to ask you to refrain from doing it 
>>> again. The note was there from the beginning, when we split the spec 
>>> last year. Please look at the mercurial history if you want to 
>>> confirm it.
>>>
>>>     In a functional community, you (or Andrei) would actually have
>>>     put forth your intentions for discussion before they ended up in
>>>     the spec document. This didn't happen, it cost you 0.00
>>>     (whatever units of timeccosts you choose) to insert the notice
>>>     while charging those that oppose it a procedural tax.
>>>
>>>
>>> Henry actually suggested you open an issue, and here's a link to his 
>>> email, which was sent 10 days ago: 
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0059.html
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ** slightly updated with some typo fixes etc..  **
>>
>> Andrei,
>>
>> And guess what, I hereby apologize for making that accusation.
>>
>>> Please look at the mercurial history if you want to confirm it.
>>
>> Yes, I had a conversation with Melvin (offline) and he unveiled this 
>> most vital piece of information. Now, bearing in mind my apology, I 
>> am sure you realize that you could have pointed that out to me in 
>> your earlier reply to my mail [1].
>>
>> Henry:
>>
>> We are no strangers (as per Melvin's comments) and you know I am 
>> quite fond of you, bearing in mind our travels. That said, I do get 
>> frustrated when as a chair you don't spot opportunities to dowse 
>> rather than fan flames [2]. Anyway, you are not uniquely responsible 
>> for this thread, so I also apologize for some of the more personal 
>> stuff.
>>
>> Contrary to popular misconception, I am extremely time challenged. I 
>> start with a URL and work from there. I was of the (now proven 
>> incorrect) opinion that Andrei unilaterally added the notice. I 
>> didn't realize it was an artifact of the past. You could have simply 
>> pointed that out to me (email or other methods, which you are well 
>> aware of) as Melvin did.
>>
>> When I go out of my way to share Linked Data examples using Links I 
>> am doing so to cut short the pathway to understanding my points. 
>> Linked Data is ultimately about the power of Links etc.. I did 
>> provide some examples using Links to specifically demonstrate the 
>> nuances of this realm in relation to HTTP URI styles etc..
>>
>>
>> Mo:
>>
>> One day we'll meet in person, clearly email isn't working for us
>>
>> All:
>>
>> As eluded to by Elf and Melvin (most recently), this shouldn't be 
>> personal, so I apologize for my contribution to such deterioration in 
>> this passionate discussion. For what its worth, I've traveled far in 
>> this realm with Henry (he even took one the photos used in some of my 
>> public profile documents). As for Andrei, I love what he's done with 
>> http://my-profile.eu, it goes a long way to showcasing what's 
>> possible with WebID, in a manner that works for end-users especially.
>>
>> All I want is for WebID to succeed. The problem it solves is crucial. 
>> I don't want it solved in 10 years time if we can kill these issues 
>> right now. I want us to learn from mistakes that have been made in 
>> the past e.g., how RDF/XML conflation nearly destroyed RDF and the 
>> Semantic Web vision as a whole as a result of not paying attention to 
>> undue conflation etc.
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> 1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0034.html 
>> -- initial response from Andrei
>> 2. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0031.html 
>> -- an early response from Henry .
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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