Re: please add 'disabling focus outline with CSS' as a Failure for SC 2.4.3 - Focus Order

Apologies. I knew it was in WCAG2, I was just looking in the wrong place. The reason I didn't find it, is because it thought it is a failure for a level A technique.

One more question about that. "Focus order" is a level A criteria. Hiding the visual outline is a failure of "Focus visible", which is a level AA criteria. 
To be able to see the tab or "focus order level A" (for example sighted keyboard users), one much comply with "focus visible level AA". 
If focus order cannot be achieved without focus visible, why are the not in the same level? 

Kind regards,

Gijs

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Op 19-apr.-2012, om 23:34 heeft Loretta Guarino Reid het volgende geschreven:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM, <noreply@w3.org> wrote:
> Name: Gijs Veyfeyken
> Email: gijs@anysurfer.be
> Affiliation: AnySurfer
> Document: QR
> Item Number: Success Criterion 2.4.3
> Part of Item:
> Comment Type: technical
> Summary of Issue: please add 'disabling focus outline with CSS' as a Failure for SC 2.4.3 - Focus Order
> Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change):
> Please add an item to "Failures for SC 2.4.3 - Focus Order". Numerous websites cannot be navigated with a keyboard because the designer behind it hides the visual focus with CSS (outline:none). Also, many reset stylesheets contain this CSS rule, and therefore it's usage is widespread.
> 
> Proposed Change:
> Add hiding keyboard-focus with CSS (outline:none) to "Failures for SC 2.4.3 - Focus Order".
> 
> ================================
> Response from the Working Group
> ================================
> Hiding the visual focus with CSS is not a failure of SC 2.4.3 (Focus Order), but it is a failure of SC 2.4.7 (Focus Visible). 
> 
> F78: "Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.7 due to styling element outlines and borders in a way that removes or renders non-visible the visual focus indicator" lists this use of outline:none as its first example.
> 
> 
> Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair
> Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair
> Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact
> 
> 
> On behalf of the WCAG Working Group