- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:06:22 +0100
- To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <50CF5F1E.2070803@w3.org>
Hi all,
the minutes of today's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html
and below as text. As usual some things highlighted below:
- I went through
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open?sort=due
and tried to make a reasonable timing for action items; let the
co-chairs know if something doesn't work time wise.
Esp. the action item owners for EC project report information: if not
done yet please send the info to Arle. Arle and I will go through your
input this week and need it asap.
- We closed issue-58, issue-59, issue-60 and issue-62 on the call, see
latest state of last call comments at
http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
- Naoto, are you OK with closing issue-61 saying that this will be
handled during the sec 1-2 work from Christian (see action-377) and others?
- We are close to have a complete M2; on Tuesday Dom will send out
reminder mails to items still missing.
- I will issue a call for additional, partially manual test cases needed
by the rfc 2119 statements, see action-374
- Pedro had a question on how to provide comments on the last call
draft. You may point people to this mail
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0025.html
and the "status of this document" section at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#status
for more guidance
Best,
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
MLW-LT WG
17 Dec 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0075.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
Arle, felix, kfritsche, ankit, georgios, DomJones,
daveL, olaf-michael, tadej, naoto, shaun, leroy, daveL,
yves, petasis, jirka, mauricio, clemens, mdelolmo,
omstefanov, philr, pnietoca, Milan, Des, Pedro, chriLi
Regrets
jörg, Ma-rcis, davidF
Chair
felix
Scribe
daveL, fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]roll call
2. [6]Test suite and milestone update
3. [7]Yves' proposal to compile test results
4. [8]Need to clarify domain handling of dublicates
5. [9]Contacts for LC
6. [10]Last call issues
7. [11]issue-63
8. [12]best practices and sec. 1-2 update
9. [13]Prague f2f and next year planning
10. [14]EU project action items
* [15]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
roll call
<fsasaki> checking attendance ...
<fsasaki> agenda here
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0075.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0075.html
Test suite and milestone update
<fsasaki>
[17]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG
5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
[17] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
felix: today was deadline for test milestone M2, to have each
partners attempted at least one of each type of feature test
they are planning
<DomJones1> q
felix: thanks for everyone on working to progress in advancing
to the test suite
dom: show screen with progress spread sheet
... reviews status, noting there are some short delays which
have been agreed
... des and tidle have delays and need a revised M2 date to be
agreed with co-chairs
... ruby being done in TCD, seems OK
... milan has delay, tadej has a delay
... need to discuss local filter with DCU
... prov test is still shakey, leroy is checking
... logrus with locqualissue need to be resolved
... mt confidence OK
... cocomore need to complete allowed char
... overall happy that progress is good, but need to
communicate with outstanding tests tomorrow.
Felix; agree, keep cochair posted
Dom: highlighted that the complete test deadline in end Jan, so
really not far off
felix: we should allocate plenty of time at prague meeting for
test suite
dom: also note at march EU review we should have 80%
conformance in actual implementations
felix: as yves pointed out, should have some way of comparing
results on web site
<pnietoca> sorry my microphone is not not working again, I'll
try to use Mauricio's
dom: for M2 and M3 we need people to perform their own check,
but we will need to put up all the outputs and do
authoritative, verifiable test
felix: online test would be really good
leroy; we can provide online test
dom: so we will deliver in new year
<scribe> ACTION: leroy to provide online diff service so posted
output can be checked [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-373 - Provide online diff service so
posted output can be checked [on Leroy Finn - due 2012-12-24].
Dom: Dom and Leroy will be unavailable for two weeks over
chirstmas
<DomJones1> Dom and Leroy away from 22nd December to the 7th of
January
Yves' proposal to compile test results
<fsasaki>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-tests/2012Dec/0097.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2012Dec/0097.html
yves: idea is that final test page was generated automatically
for ITS1.0, so that would be good for 2.0
<fsasaki> [20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
yves: i will look at this over holidays
dom: does this just diff the input and output?
felix; yes it just compared files and provide a green flag if
it works
scribe: so this could be done with the diff service mentioned
earlier as a batch over all current test input files and
submitted output files
Dom; we will look at this as part of last action itme
Need to clarify domain handling of dublicates
<fsasaki>
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-tests/2012Dec/0128.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2012Dec/0128.html
yves: during testing looked at wider coverage of domain test,
with different capitalisations
... should these be different tests?
mdelolmo: not sure this makes a difference in terms of use
cases, but no problem having duplicate files
yves: resolution to keep tests with and without capitalisation
... there are these test cases, and some others missing from
coverage.
... should we just let Leroy know?
Leroy: just let me know once the test input is done, and i will
update the parser
<fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
daveL: are we still missing test cases with the MUST
statements?
<scribe> scribe: daveL
<fsasaki>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Own
ership_of_rfc2119_statements
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements
felix: many of these tests still need to be added, e.g. with
annotation and locqualissue
... so we definitely need these tests
... and people need to make sure they allocate implementer time
for these in Jan and feb
phil: has a look at locqulissue one, and found useful doc on
tests for MUSTs
... but it was difficult to see how manual tests could be
formulates
action; felix to distribute action items to define these tests
and to provide guideance of how to formulate these tests
against rcf2119 table
<scribe> ACTION: felix to distribute action items to define
these tests and to provide guideance of how to formulate these
tests against rcf2119 table [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-374 - Distribute action items to
define these tests and to provide guideance of how to formulate
these tests against rcf2119 table [on Felix Sasaki - due
2012-12-24].
Contacts for LC
<fsasaki>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0071.html
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0071.html
felix: thanks for finding people to contact
... but we won't share lists since some contacts are
confidential
... asks Yves to handle LC reviews to OKAPI community
Yves: agrees
Felix: asloXTM
dave: I will handle this with andy zydron
felix; will des lead contact with systrans
des: agrees
felix: please let neives know if you receive specific
committments to review
<fsasaki>
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0025.html
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0025.html
des: is there a proforma for requesting
felix: posts proforma, and arle did some also.
... david was doing a more business oriented one, but is off
ill
pedro: will nieves contact people directly?
felix; nieves will NOT contact there people, only tracking who
we are contacting
<fsasaki>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0025.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0025.html
scribe: the best if people contact them directly.
felix: I'm happy to contact the specific people whose details
pedro provided
pedro: had contacted them already, but they just need the
details of how to submit
felix: the email pasted above, has details of email address
where to send comments
Last call issues
<fsasaki> [27]http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
[27] http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
felix: these issues raised already by people within the WG
... issue-58, an example to be fixed in a version value
<fsasaki>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0060.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0060.html
felix: issues-59, a sentence about pointing and adding,
resolved by clarifying a sentence circumstance when it is
mutually exclusive
... in two section as per above emial
<fsasaki>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html
<fsasaki>
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0031.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0031.html
felix: issue-60 loc qual type, with resolution as per above
email -which didn't require new type
<fsasaki>
[31]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#lqissue-typevalues >
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue-typevalues
felix: jorg followed up with clarification for labelling of the
type value table
... which is now changed.
<fsasaki>
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0025.html
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0025.html
felix: issue-62 standoff markup for global rules
<fsasaki>
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/att-0025/global-lqissue-clarification.pdf
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/att-0025/global-lqissue-clarification.pdf
<fsasaki>
[34]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#lqissue-implem
entation
[34] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#lqissue-implementation
felix: could use standoff and global attributes, which doesn't
make sense since this isn't the case for local
... this has now been changed in the schema, though it didn't
need a change to the examples
... any further question on these, or can they be closed?
<fsasaki> 58, 59, 60, 62
No objections
felix: issue-63 on loc qual type conformance
issue-63
<fsasaki>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0030.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0030.html
phil: on this, in cngl we worked on some automated linguistic
target qa, based on comparison to reference corpus
... so it is different to the distinct techniques for specific
errors as per other types
... conformance is a term that gives a numeric value to compare
target against a reference corpus
... so it may be useful to have
yves: how is this different to loc quality rating?
phil: rating is more formulaic way of computing a rating from
other issues, whereas the conformance quality is very useful at
segment level
yves: where would the value go, in the severity
phil; yes
felix: would like to delay the decision unitl after chistma
<scribe> ACTION: felix to raise issue-63 again in the 7th jan
call [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-375 - Raise issue-63 again in the 7th
jan call [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-24].
best practices and sec. 1-2 update
<fsasaki>
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0072.html
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0072.html
felix: discussed this last week
... both how to cover section 1 and 2 and also on best
practices
... are people happy for christian to edit quite freely
<fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
daveL: would be happy to know what the time frame the rewriting
would be on
... david and I wanted to look into this too
... need to coordinate things
<daveL> christian: what time frame would fit best.
daveL: for me after january 15 would be good
... if you want to work on it now, and we hand it over
<daveL> ACTION: chriLi to provide rewrite of section 1and 2 by
mid Jan [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
This is now [39]action-377
[39] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/377
<daveL> felix: best practice draft and high level use cases
<daveL> .. if anyone want to work on this over christmas,
otherwise i will try and pull these together
<daveL> ACTION: felix to pull this material on best practice
together onto wiki for people to comment on [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-376 - Pull this material on best
practice together onto wiki for people to comment on [on Felix
Sasaki - due 2012-12-24].
Prague f2f and next year planning
<daveL> felix: prague face to face planning will be mostly for
testing and last minute comments, planning for later in year
will be discussed in Rome
[41]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/open
[41] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
<daveL> felix: I wish those leaving now a very Merry Christmas!
EU project action items
<daveL> fleix; arle, who do we still need input from
<daveL> arle: still need to assemble what is still missing
<daveL> felix: we need to compile this by wednesday
<daveL> ... so please everyone check if they are missing some
information from actions.
<omstefanov> A Merry Christmas and a "Guten Rutsch" to you,
Felix and to the other chairs!
<pnietoca> thank you! Merry Chritsmas to all!
<omstefanov> Merry Christmas to all!
you too, olaf!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chriLi to provide rewrite of section 1and 2 by
mid Jan [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to distribute action items to define these
tests and to provide guideance of how to formulate these tests
against rcf2119 table [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to pull this material on best practice
together onto wiki for people to comment on [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to raise issue-63 again in the 7th jan call
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: leroy to provide online diff service so posted
output can be checked [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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