Re: [all] Call for consensus on disambiguation - feedback integrated [ACTION-181]

Hi,
  thanks for the tips. I covered them, and I agree towards removing the 
local XPath, since it has very limited use. Here is another 
incorporating all these comments.
-- Tadej

On 8/3/2012 1:07 PM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Hi Tadej, all,
>
> thanks a lot for this. Just a few comments / questions:
>
> 1) About "The information applies to the textual content of the 
> element, including child elements and attributes.": wouldn't it make 
> more sense to say that this applies to only the content of the 
> element? E.g. if you annotate the "span" element in
>
> <p>I have seen <span id="timbl"><span class="firstame">Tim</span> 
> <span class="lastname">Berners-Lee</span></span> in the olympics 
> opening ceremony</p>
>
> You want to express disambiguation information about the "span" 
> element with the "id" attribute, but not about the "id" attribute or 
> the nested span elements. So inheritance probably should be: "There is 
> no inheritance". What do you think?
>
>
> 2) About "The Entity data category can be expressed with global rules, 
> or locally on an individual element.": This should probably be "The 
> Disambiguation data category can be expressed with global rules, or 
> locally on an individual element."
>
> 3) About local markup: for other data categories, we don't have the 
> "pointer" attributes as local markup, since processing of XPath in 
> local markup can be very expensive. So I would propose to drop the 
> local pointer attributes here too.
>
> 4) In the table at the end, "Global pointing to existing information" 
> should be "yes" I think.
>
> 5) This selector
> <its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p/#dublin" ...
> In XPath should be
> <its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p[@id='dublin']
>
> 6) To follow the conventions from other data categories, the 
> "its:disambiguation" element should probably be called 
> "its:disambiguationRule".
>
> 7) A question on the data category in general and the "rules" element: 
> does it make sense to make some attributes mandatory? Currently, this 
> would be valid:
> <its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p[@id='dublin']/>
>
> 8) A question to the others in this thread (Guiseppe, Pablo, Raphael, 
> Sebastian): is this a representation that makes sense to you and that 
> your tools could produce?
>
> 9) A question to the MT guys: is the way "entity and disambiguation" 
> information is represented here useful for you?
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> 2012/8/3 Tadej Štajner <tadej.stajner@ijs.si 
> <mailto:tadej.stajner@ijs.si>>
>
>     Hi,
>     I incorporated some comments that 'entity' was still conflated
>     from several distinct things in the data category proposal. Now,
>     we distinguish between disambiguation of word sense, ontology
>     concept and entity instance. Following that, it seems that
>     'Disambiguation' was the better name for the data category.
>
>     Thanks for everyone's input!
>
>     -- Tadej
>
>     On 02. 08. 2012 17 <tel:02.%2008.%202012%2017>:26, Tadej Štajner
>     wrote:
>
>         Apologies -- wrong link on the previous mail. This is the
>         relevant one:
>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/181
>         -- Tadej
>
>         On 02. 08. 2012 17 <tel:02.%2008.%202012%2017>:22, Tadej
>         Štajner wrote:
>
>             Hi, all,
>             this is the integration of the feedback points from the
>             last call on the Entity data category and subsequently on
>             the mailing list. I cleaned up and defined the terms, so
>             it better fits both use cases, lexical as well as
>             conceptual disambiguation, and introduced XPath variants
>             of the attributes since they were used in the examples,
>             but not defined anywhere.
>
>             I'd ask anyone who's interested in taking another look.
>             Otherwise, I think we can move forward.
>
>             -- Tadej
>
>             Related:
>             http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0280.html
>
>             http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0288.html
>
>             http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/181
>
>
>
>             On 26. 07. 2012 15 <tel:07.%202012%2015>:47, Tadej Štajner
>             wrote:
>
>                 Hi all,
>                 (cc-ing additional people who may be interested in this),
>
>                 this may be relevant at today's call. Here's a summary
>                 and integration of what was going on around the named
>                 entity and disambiguation data categories, along with
>                 usage in RDFa Lite.
>
>                 -- Tadej
>
>                 Related in
>                 https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/
>                 :
>                 [ISSUE-2]
>                 [ISSUE-18]
>                 [ISSUE-29]
>                 [ISSUE-35]
>                 [ACTION-164]
>
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> -- 
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>