Agenda for the TAG teleconference of 15 March 2012

The agenda for the TAG teleconference of 15 March is available at [1,2] and 
in text-only form below.

Please note that the main focus will be refinement of our priorities for 
the F2F. I have gathered into that section of the agenda [3] a "working 
list of agenda topics", based mostly on the advice I received last week. 
Please look it over before the call, and either send suggestions in e-mail 
or be prepared to discuss.

Also: particularly given that some of our F2F attendees will be busy at 
IETF the week before, it would be very helpful if lengthy contributions to 
the required reading list were ready by, say, 21 March. In any case, please 
alert me as early as you can to anything you'd like on the required reading 
list.

Thank you.

Noah


[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/15-agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/15-agenda#F2Fplanning

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       [1] http://www.w3.org/
       [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/08-agenda
       [4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/15-agenda
       [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/22-agenda

                Agenda of 15 March 2012 TAG Teleconference

    Nearby: [6]TAG work plan - [7]Teleconference details -
    [8]issues list - [9]open actions - [10]pending review actions -
    [11]www-tag archive - [12]tag archive
     1. Convene
           + Chair: Noah Mendelsohn, Scribe: Peter Linss
             (unconfirmed)
           + Roll call -- Regrets: None
           + Future regrets: None
           + Agenda Review - [13]this agenda
           + Next Meeting: 22 March 2012, Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
           + Future scribes: Peter Linss - > Robin Berjon - > Yves
             Lafon
     2. Approve minutes of prior meeting(s)
           + [14]minutes of 8 March 2012
     3. Administrative items
           + Jonathan Rees will be able to attend the F2F
           + Is there anything we need to do re: upcoming Paris
             IETF meeting?
           + Please start preparing work for and thinking about
             significant agenda items for April F2F
           + Make your travel arrangements for April F2F ([15]local
             arrangements page)
           + Chair solicits guidance on level of TAG interest in
             issues like the proposed [16]http+aes URI scheme
     4. IETF Paris Meeting
           + Goals:
                o Do any necessary planning for TAG participation
                  in IETF/Paris
           + Background:
                o [17]ACTION-638: on - Yves Lafon - Help Noah
                  figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to
                  participate in IETF paris - Due: 2012-02-15 -
                  OPEN
                o [18]ACTION-659: on - Yves Lafon - Track IETF
                  efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 - Due:
                  2012-03-20 - OPEN
                o [19]ACTION-566: on - Yves Lafon - Investigate
                  possible liaison or meeting with IETF (maybe IAB)
                  on privacy - Due: 2012-01-24 - OPEN
                o [20]ACTION-602: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Work with
                  IETF liaisons to propose possible TAG
                  participation in IETF Paris - Due: 2012-03-13 -
                  PENDING REVIEW (Note that per [21]ACTION-638 Yves
                  now has the lead for this)
     5. F2F Planning
           + Goals:
                o Provide input to the chair on planning for the
                  F2F, including:
                     # Technical items for the agenda
                     # Possible changes to meeting logistics
                     # Anything else relating to making the TAG
                       more effective that should be considered in
                       planning the F2F
                o Start to identify required reading
           + Chair's working list of likely agenda topics (based
             mostly on [22]discussion on 8 March 2012:
                o Top priority topics:
                     # IETF Meeting debrief — Yves with help from
                       Larry and others
                     # Meet with Chris Lilley to discuss RFC
                       3023bis and fragid semantics
                          @ Noah has [23]invited Chris per
                            [24]ACTION-674: on - Noah Mendelsohn -
                            encourage Chris Lilley to meet with us
                            to discuss 3023bis and semantics of
                            Fragment Identifiers - Due: 2012-03-16
                            - OPEN
                          @ [25]ACTION-675: on - Henry Thompson -
                            frame discussion of semantics of
                            fragids and rfc 3023bis - Due:
                            2012-03-27 - OPEN
                     # Note that we were informed on 8 March that
                       there is unlikely to be other progress on
                       the related TAG Product [26]TAG Product:
                       Fragment Identifiers and Mime Types. We will
                       not have technical discussion on that, but
                       since it's supposedly high priority, we'll
                       want to figure out in Sophia whether we're
                       still committed to the goals and schedules
                       specified for this project.
                     # Publishing and linking:
                          @ Goal is to agree to publish working
                            draft
                          @ We'll devote extensive time to this
                            topic as needed
                          @ Jeni suggests we may want to do careful
                            walkthrough and discuss examples
                          @ There was a suggestion last week that
                            we might want to invite guests for this
                            session. Do we?
                     # URI Definition Discovery and httpRange-14:
                       we're hoping for more responses to the call
                       for change proposal
                     # API Minimization: expecting draft from Robin
                       for required reading
                     # Client-side storage: hoping for draft from
                       Ashok for required reading
                     # Validating TAG priorities for next 3-6
                       months (as we do at the end of every
                       meeting)
                o Other "definite" topics:
                     # None so far.
                o Maybe we'll also put time into some of these:
                     # PhiloWeb 2012: note [27]Web and Philosophy:
                       why and what for? (PhiloWeb 2012) Workshop
                       at the 21st World Wide Web Conference (WWW
                       2012)
                     # Review [28]open TAG issues and [29]pending
                       review TAG issues
                o The chair notes that he has received conflicting
                  advice on whether to reserve time for breakout
                  working sesions — will do his best to find some
                  appropriate compromise.
           + Background carried over from [30]8 March 2012 agenda
             (note that the action status and due dates are as of
             then):
                o [31]TAG Work Plan
                o Jeni Tennison [32]suggests some changes regarding
                  length of sessions, splitting into parallel
                  working sessions, etc.
                o Items TAG members have asked to discuss:
                     # Jeni has [33]requested time for some
                       combination of:
                          @ [34]ACTION-541: on - Jeni Tennison -
                            Helped by DKA to produce draft on
                            technical issues relating to
                            copyright/linking - Due: 2012-02-21 -
                            OPEN;
                          @ [35]ACTION-627: on - Noah Mendelsohn -
                            Schedule very detailed line-by-line
                            review of Pub&Linking draft at January
                            F2F - Due: 2012-01-31 - OPEN
                          @ [36]ACTION-649: on - Jeni Tennison -
                            Produce a document with examples
                            motivating the technical points in the
                            Copyright/Linking document - Due:
                            2012-03-20 - OPEN
                     # [37]ACTION-662: on - Robin Berjon - Redraft
                       proposed product page on API Minimization
                       (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apimini
                       mization.html) - Due: 2012-01-31 - PENDING
                       REVIEW
                     # Client-side storage
                     # [38]ACTION-673: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare
                       for F2F discussion of httpRange-14 change
                       proposals Due 2012-03-13 - Due: 2012-03-13 -
                       OPEN
                o Some other items that might belong on the F2F
                  Agenda:
                     # Noting that Chris Lilley lives not far from
                       our meeting site, one or more of the
                       following:
                          @ [39]ACTION-564: on - Henry Thompson -
                            Track fragid issues in 3023bis, report
                            to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis
                            editors as appropriate - Due:
                            2012-02-14 - OPEN
                          @ [40]ACTION-594: on - Yves Lafon - With
                            Peter and Henry produce partial
                            revision of fragment id finding - Due:
                            2012-03-13 - OPEN
                          @ [41]ACTION-619: on - Henry Thompson -
                            Report on status of 3023bis after TPAC
                            - Due: 2012-02-14 - OPEN
                          @ [42]ACTION-628: on - Henry Thompson -
                            Work with Chris Lilley to bring forward
                            prose for 3023bis wrt generic
                            processing of fragment identifiers
                            which addresses the rdf+xml and
                            xhtml+xml issues - Due: 2012-02-14 -
                            OPEN
                          @ Registries: but note [43]ACTION-667: on
                            - Noah Mendelsohn - Check, when
                            publishing and linking wraps, whether
                            it's time to reinvest in
                            http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evol
                            ution/Registries.html - Due: 2012-04-01
                            - OPEN which suggests we're defering
                            this until publishing and linking wraps
                          @ [44]ACTION-635: on - Henry Thompson -
                            Update product page for Frag IDS and
                            Mime types, to include realistic goals
                            and dates - Due: 2012-02-14 - OPEN
                     # XML/HTML Unification — need to check with
                       Norm Walsh whether there's likely to be
                       anything new to discuss
                     # [45]ACTION-672: on - Jeni Tennison - Work
                       with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of
                       HTML extensions, and get that referenced
                       from HTML media type registration, per
                       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
                       2012Jan/0048.html Due: 2012-05-29 - Due:
                       2012-05-29 - OPEN
                     # [46]ACTION-560: on - Henry Thompson - Review
                       HTML polyglot last call Due 2011-06-06 -
                       Due: 2012-02-28 - OPEN
                     # [47]ACTION-572: on - Yves Lafon - Look at
                       appcache in HTML5 - Due: 2012-03-06 - OPEN
                     # Protocols
                          @ [48]ACTION-658: on - Yves Lafon -
                            Prepare telcon discussion of
                            protocol-related issues, e.g.
                            Websockets/hybi (but not SPDY) - Due:
                            2012-03-20 - OPEN
                          @ [49]ACTION-659: on - Yves Lafon - Track
                            IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due:
                            2012-03-20 - Due: 2012-03-20 - OPEN
                     # TAG effectiveness:
                          @ We could have a session on TAG
                            effectiveness overall, or we might
                            consider one or more sessions on more
                            focused topics, e.g. deciding to
                            abandon some of our lower priority
                            efforts so that we can focus more
                            effectively on higher priority work.
                o [50]Pending review actions in [51]Tracker
                o [52]Overdue actions in [53]Tracker
     6. HTML.next
           + Goals:
                o Decide whether Noah's [54]report on previous TAG
                  issues with HTML motivates us to do more thinking
                  about HTML.next
           + Background:
                o [55]ACTION-641: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Try and
                  find list of review issues relating to HTML5 from
                  earlier discussions - Due: 2012-03-01 - PENDING
                  REVIEW
                o Noah's [56]report on previous TAG issues with
                  HTML (fulfilling ACTION-641) lists:
                     # [57]March 2009 TAG status report
                       highlighting HTML-related issues that the
                       TAG was considering then
                     # [58]Detailed table of HTML issues from
                       [59]Sept. 2009 TAG F2F: this is a table in
                       which we gathered many potential concerns.
                       We then selected a few as high priority for
                       futher work.
                o Earlier background on HTML.next:
                     # [60]Karl DuBost and [61]Paul Cotton suggest
                       the following resources relating to
                       HTML.next:
                          @ Aug HTML WG thread on HTML.next and
                            re-chartering:
                            [62]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
                            /public-html/2011Aug/0263.html
                          @ The Nov HTML WG F2F HTML.next
                            discussions:
                            [63]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
                            /public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/001
                            1.html
                          @ The HTML WG Wiki list of possible
                            HTML.Next items:
                            [64]http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/next
                          @ Mike Smith's list of candidate items:
                            [65]http://www.w3.org/2011/Talks/TPAC/H
                            TML5/#(15)
                          @ Proposed Community Group
                            ([66]http://www.w3.org/community/groups
                            /proposed/#html5spec)
                     # [67]ACTION-637: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Ask
                       PLH to join us in Dec. to bring us up to
                       speed on HTML.next, and also join in F2F
                       discussion - Due: 2011-12-20 - CLOSED
     7. Web Application Storage
           + This is a continuation of the [68]discussion started
             on 26 January 2012and [69]revisited on 1 March 2012
           + Goals:
                o Commit to a plan for TAG work on Web Application
                  Storage including goals, deliverables as proposed
                  in [70]Draft Product page for TAG work on Web
                  Application Storage
           + Background:
                o [71]Discussion of Web Application Storage on 1
                  March 2012
                o [72]Discussion of Web Application Storage on 26
                  January 2012
                o [73]ACTION-647: on - Ashok Malhotra - Draft
                  product page on client-side storage focusing on
                  specific goals and success criteria Due:
                  2012-01-17 - Due: 2012-02-14 - PENDING REVIEW
                o [74]ACTION-572: on - Yves Lafon - Look at
                  appcache in HTML5 - Due: 2012-03-06 - OPEN
                o Earlier background:
                     # [75]ACTION-632: on - Ashok Malhotra - Frame
                       issues around client-side storage work -
                       Due: 2012-02-14 - CLOSED
                     # [76]ACTION-475: on - Ashok Malhotra - Write
                       finding on client-side storage, DanA to
                       review - Due: 2011-08-24 - CLOSED
                     # [77]ACTION-523: on - Ashok Malhotra - (with
                       help from Noah) build good product page for
                       client storage finding, identifying top
                       questions to be answered on client side
                       storage - Due: 2012-01-17 - CLOSED
                     # [78]ACTION-354: on - Ashok Malhotra - Review
                       client side storage apis (web simple storage
                       etc.), looking for architectural issues or
                       other critical problems... or interesting
                       design features the TAG should know about -
                       Due: 2010-03-08 - CLOSED
                     # [79]ACTION-392: on - NON-CURRENT-MEMBER -
                       Look into using new client side storage APIs
                       as an RDFa or tabulator data store - Due:
                       2010-03-17 - CLOSED
                     # [80]ACTION-435: on - Jonathan Rees - Consult
                       Tyler Close regarding UMP-informed web
                       storage vulnerability analysis - Due:
                       2010-06-22 - CLOSED
                     # [81]ACTION-438: on - Ashok Malhotra -
                       Comment to web storage guys: basically all
                       of this is origin-based, but section 6.1 has
                       a 'may' - - is this a door being held open
                       for CORS? - Due: 2010-06-15 - CLOSED
                     # [82]ACTION-586: on - Ashok Malhotra - Add
                       text covering advice equivalent to "Use of
                       AJAX implementation technology is not a
                       sufficient excuse for failing to provide
                       first class URI identification for documents
                       on the Web" - Due: 2011-08-11 - CLOSED
     8. Pending Review Items:
           + [83]Pending review actions in [84]Tracker
     9. Overdue Action Items:
           + [85]Overdue actions in [86]Tracker
    10. Any other business
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       [7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/#telcon
       [8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
       [9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
      [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
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