Re: PROV-ISSUE-7 (define-derivation): Definition for Concept 'Derivation' [Provenance Terminology]

Hi Daniel,

On 27/05/2011 12:04, Daniel Garijo wrote:
> Hi Luc, all
> In the example c2 is also a derivation of d2, and from my point of view,
> c2 could also be seen as a derivation from c1, since it is the chart taken as reference
> and corected in c2...
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> As for your second question, I think that if we want to be able to cover
> provenance from resources, resources representations and resources state
> representation, a derivation must be able to refer to all of them.

That's why in the current wiki page defining derivation I used some very 
vague terminologies.

I think derivation should cover all the cases you listed above. And we 
should start to clearly define the three above concepts in order to 
define the rest provenance terms as accurately as we can for the moment.

cheers,

Jun

>
> What do you think?
> Best,
> Daniel
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> 2011/5/27 Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>
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> Dear all,
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> Over the last week, we debated the notion of resource (PROV-ISSUE-1),
> one of the concepts identified in the charter as core to a provenance
> data model. It would be good to discuss the notion of derivation.
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> Do we agree with the illustration of derivation [1]:
> in the example, chart c1 is a derivation of data set d1.
> Are there other interesting illustrations?
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> Is derivation relating resources/resource representations/resource
> representation states?
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> Cheers,
> Luc
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> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/CharterConceptsIllustration
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> On 05/20/2011 08:07 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
> PROV-ISSUE-7 (define-derivation): Definition for Concept 'Derivation' [Provenance Terminology]
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> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/7
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> Raised by: Luc Moreau
> On product: Provenance Terminology
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> The Provenance WG charter identifies the concept 'Derivation' as a core concept of the provenance interchange language to be standardized (see http://www.w3.org/2011/01/prov-wg-charter).
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> What term do we adopt for the concept 'Derivation'?
> How do we define the concept 'Derivation'?
> Where does concept 'Derivation' appear in ProvenanceExample?
> Which provenance query requires the concept 'Derivation'?
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> Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptDerivation
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