- From: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:32:58 +0200
- To: BPWG Public <public-bpwg@w3.org>
Hi,
The minutes of today's call are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html
... and pasted as raw text at the end of this message.
Two important decisions taken today:
1. the working group requests transition of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices (MWABP) specification from Last Call to Proposed Recommendation (skipping a second Candidate Recommendation phase as the implementation report is completed). I am to work on setting up the transition. Dan, Jo and I will inform the group on progress.
2. the working group reluctantly decided to remove the Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies from rec-track, and to publish the document as a Working Group Note. Jo and I will work offline on the preamble wording for the note.
A short charter extension (two weeks to one month) is envisioned, but we'll wait for result of transition call for MWABP before formally requesting the extension.
No call next week. Next call after MWABP transition call, probably in two weeks from now.
Francois.
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28 Sep 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2010Sep/0010.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-irc
Attendees
Present
adam, DKA, francois, jo, twhume, SeanP
Regrets
yeliz, kai, miguel
Chair
jo
Scribe
Dan
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Mobile Web Application Best Practices (a.k.a) BP2
2. [6][lovely] CT Guidelines
3. [7]AOB?
4. [8]Issues & Actions clean-up
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Mobile Web Application Best Practices (a.k.a) BP2
Jo: Francois? A run-down?
<francois> [10]MWABP implementation report
[10] http://www.w3.org/2010/07/mwabp-implementation-report
<EdC> The matrix of implementation reports looks good.
Francois: We are good. There are 3 best practices for which we don't
have 2 proper implementation reports but I think it's OK. We have
evidence of implementation in the world of "fingerprinting" - links
in discussion in the mailing list.
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We are good to go on fingerprinting.
<EdC> Why are entries in the column Uxebu marked "yes" instead of
"pass" ?
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We are good to go on fingerprinting - i.e.
point 14 of the implementation report ya know.
<jo> +1
+1
<adam> +1
<twhume> +1
<francois> +1
<EdC> 0
RESOLUTION: We are good to go on fingerprinting - i.e. point 14 of
the implementation report.
[no objections]
<francois> [EdC, there's indeed a slight problem in the table
layout, I'll fix that]
Francois: Moving to number 21. We have 2 implementation reports for
that. I just note that the last implementation report said that they
don't think it's that useful on mobile devices. I don't think we
should worry about it.
... Unless there are any objections don't think we need a
resolution.
Jo: OK.
Francois: Number 22- use fragment ID...
... We have multiple implementation reports but they all come from
the same companies. Pity we don't have evidence from more than 1
company but it does exist in the wild...
Jo: It is extemely widely used - so not worried.
Adam: It's worth noting that it's wildly used on desktop as well.
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We agree that Nunber 22- use fragment ID is OK
to go even though all the formal implementation reports are from one
company...
<adam> +1
<EdC> +1
<francois> +1
<jo> +1
+1
<twhume> +1
RESOLUTION: We agree that Nunber 22- use fragment ID is OK to go
even though all the formal implementation reports are from one
company
Francois: Last one is 26 - consider ... - 3 partial implementations
from 3 different companies. So I think we are good to go.
... It's a "consider" best practice so difficult to define where
line should be drawn.
<EdC> And it proposes several methods, so partial might have been
interpreted as "we use only one of all these".
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We are agreed that nunber 26 - consider .. is
OK even considering we only have 3 partial implementations...
<EdC> +1
<adam> +1
<twhume> +1
<jo> +1
<francois> +1
RESOLUTION: We are agreed that nunber 26 - consider .. is OK even
considering we only have 3 partial implementations...
Jo: Now we go to the transition request...
Francois: before that I'd like to mention replies to the last call
comments. We received the response from PFWG - they sent a positive
response. One of the responses was not send to the public mailing
list - it has not arrived there yet - I will chase him for this.
Jo: We have a record from you (here) that this response has been
received.
Francois: yes, we are not waiting for any further reply - I will
prepare disposition of comments.
<scribe> ACTION: Daoust to prepare distribution of comments for BP2.
[recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1072 - Prepare distribution of comments
for BP2. [on François Daoust - due 2010-10-05].
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The BPWG requests transition of Mobile Web
Applications Best Practices (aka BP2) to Proposed Recommendation.
There is no need for the document to go through Candidate
Recommendation again.
<francois> +1
+1
<twhume> +1
<jo> +1
<adam> +1
Jo: Any objections?
<EdC> +
<EdC> +1
[none heard]
RESOLUTION: The BPWG requests transition of Mobile Web Applications
Best Practices (aka BP2) to Proposed Recommendation. There is no
need for the document to go through Candidate Recommendation again.
woo hoo!
Francois: This means we need to request transition - it will take
some time... Then Dan, Jo and I will have to attend a transition
call with "the Director".
Jo: Transition call within 2 weeks...
Francois: Hopefully. Then 4 weeks minimum in PR.
Thanks Adam!
[lovely] CT Guidelines
Jo: Any last minute news from anybody on an implementation report
that is forthcoming?
... If not, we don't have sufficient implementation evidence.
Francois: That's correct.
Jo: Anybody on this call here have anything to say about this?
Adam: Aaron said he was going to...
Jo: He kindly provided a report but it did not support a sufficient
number of the points of conformance.
Sean: Bad news [from Nokia]: we're not going to provide a report.
Jo: I don't see any option that we have. Are we allowed to leave
this in CR?
Francois: As soon as the group closes, any remaining work items need
to be published as a working group note. Seems to be a good idea to
[publish it as a note] now.
Jo: It seems a great shame but unless anyone has any brilliant ideas
- I suggest we go ahead an publish it as a working group note.
<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: "Downgrade" CT Guidelines to a WG Note and
request publication as such.
+1 (reluctantly)
<francois> +1
<SeanP> +1
<adam> +1
<twhume> +1 with a meh
<EdC> +1 (sadly)
<jo> +1 (it's a bitter pill to swallow)
<EdC> how are group members (especiallly
<EdC> operators and transcoder vendors) will utilize the CTG,
<EdC> even if only as a WG note?
RESOLUTION: "Downgrade" CT Guidelines to a WG Note and request
publication as such.
Jo: Whilst it would have more force as a recommendation, in practice
getting the work out there in a published form is worth-while
[whether it be Note or Recommendation].
... Francois, can you adjust the content of the document to turn it
from a Rec into a Note. The main bits are in the preamble. We will
take it offline.
<jo> ACTION: Jo to talk with Francois about what is needed to enact
the above resolution on CT Guidelines [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1073 - Talk with Francois about what is
needed to enact the above resolution on CT Guidelines [on Jo Rabin -
due 2010-10-05].
Jo: Anything else on CT guidelines?
AOB?
Jo: Charter extension - sounds like it's going to take at least 6
weeks for BP2 to reach rec. So we need to request an extension or
make w3m aware that we need an extension.
Francois: We should wait for response on our request to transition
to PR.
Jo: ok - so later in october we will request an extension.
... We should close off outstanding issues and actions.
Issues & Actions clean-up
Jo: No open issues.
... Open Actions - we have 21...
ACTION-1003?
<trackbot> ACTION-1003 -- Bruce Lawson to follow up within Opera as
to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard
against -- due 2009-09-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1003
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1003
close action-1003
<trackbot> ACTION-1003 Follow up within Opera as to what exactly the
XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against closed
action-1008
action-1008?
<trackbot> ACTION-1008 -- Adam Connors to check if Google has tests
they could contribute for CT guidelines -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1008
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1008
close action-1008
<trackbot> ACTION-1008 Check if Google has tests they could
contribute for CT guidelines closed
action-1022?
<trackbot> ACTION-1022 -- Daniel Appelquist to ping internally in
Vodafone to see if we have any ability to help with CT test suites.
-- due 2009-10-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1022
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1022
<EdC> Do we close at least with an indication that they are closed
without final resolution ?
I never got any joy.
close action-1022
<trackbot> ACTION-1022 Ping internally in Vodafone to see if we have
any ability to help with CT test suites. closed
action-1035?
<trackbot> ACTION-1035 -- Daniel Appelquist to create a plan to
raise awareness on mobileOK through some campaign -- due 2009-12-18
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1035
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1035
<scribe> ongoing
yes
leave it open
action-1038?
<trackbot> ACTION-1038 -- François Daoust to look into mobile Web
Applications within W3C that implement some of the Mobile Web
Application Best Practices. -- due 2010-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1038
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1038
Francois: I've had a look...
close action-1038
<trackbot> ACTION-1038 Look into mobile Web Applications within W3C
that implement some of the Mobile Web Application Best Practices.
closed
action-1039?
<trackbot> ACTION-1039 -- Tom Hume to look into mobile Web
Application within Future Platforms and provide implementation
report for MWABP -- due 2010-02-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1039
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1039
Tom: Provided.
Jo: done and closed.
close action-1039
<trackbot> ACTION-1039 Look into mobile Web Application within
Future Platforms and provide implementation report for MWABP closed
Didn't do.
close action-1040
<trackbot> ACTION-1040 Make a post about MWABP to entice people to
provide feedback closed
Did do but no response.
<EdC> Once more, when you close, is there an indication that the
actions were actually dropped (no resolution) instead of closed with
a resolution?
action-1041?
<trackbot> ACTION-1041 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact facebook and
Opera ref implementation reports for BP2 -- due 2010-03-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1041
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1041
did but no response.
close action-1041
<trackbot> ACTION-1041 Contact facebook and Opera ref implementation
reports for BP2 closed
action-1043?
<trackbot> ACTION-1043 -- Daniel Appelquist to see if on-deck apps
and betavine could be a source of implementation reports -- due
2010-04-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1043
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1043
Nothing forthcoming here.
close action-1043
<trackbot> ACTION-1043 See if on-deck apps and betavine could be a
source of implementation reports closed
action-1050?
<trackbot> ACTION-1050 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to help find 2
implementations of 5 and 6 by 30 June. -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1050
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1050
close action-1050
<trackbot> ACTION-1050 Help find 2 implementations of 5 and 6 by 30
June. closed
action-1052
close action-1052
<trackbot> ACTION-1052 Investigate CT implementation report closed
close action-1053
<trackbot> ACTION-1053 Investigate CT implementation report closed
action-1055?
<trackbot> ACTION-1055 -- François Daoust to see with Jérôme about
CT implementation report -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1055
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1055
close action-1055
<trackbot> ACTION-1055 See with Jérôme about CT implementation
report closed
action-1059?
<trackbot> ACTION-1059 -- Daniel Appelquist to ping Bytemobile about
CT implementation report -- due 2010-06-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1059
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1059
no response...
close action-1059
<trackbot> ACTION-1059 Ping Bytemobile about CT implementation
report closed
action-1061?
<trackbot> ACTION-1061 -- Daniel Appelquist to write the explanatory
text for the "further considerations" section. -- due 2010-07-13 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1061
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1061
close action-1061
<trackbot> ACTION-1061 Write the explanatory text for the "further
considerations" section. closed
action-1062?
<trackbot> ACTION-1062 -- Jo Rabin to formulate action plan with
Francois and Dan -- due 2010-07-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1062
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1062
close action-1062
<trackbot> ACTION-1062 Formulate action plan with Francois and Dan
closed
action-1066?
<trackbot> ACTION-1066 -- Adam Connors to enact LC-2415 -- due
2010-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1066
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1066
Jo: Done.
close action-1066
<trackbot> ACTION-1066 Enact LC-2415 closed
action-1070?
<trackbot> ACTION-1070 -- Adam Connors to find prepare a short doc
with references to remaining best practices -- due 2010-09-14 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1070
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1070
francois: This was done.
close action-1070
<trackbot> ACTION-1070 Find prepare a short doc with references to
remaining best practices closed
action-1071?
<trackbot> ACTION-1071 -- Daniel Appelquist to send inspirational
email to working group to get people to send implementation reports
on CT -- due 2010-09-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1071
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1071
didn't feel inspirational.
close action-1071
<trackbot> ACTION-1071 Send inspirational email to working group to
get people to send implementation reports on CT closed
ok
Jo: 3 actions remain... and that is about it.
<francois> ACTION: daoust to send transition request to PR for MWABP
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1074 - Send transition request to PR for
MWABP [on François Daoust - due 2010-10-05].
jo: anything else?
... Little point in having a call next week (Oct 5 2010) and to
resume following transition call.
OK with me.
<EdC> Ok with me as well.
thx!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Daoust to prepare distribution of comments for BP2.
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: daoust to send transition request to PR for MWABP
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Jo to talk with Francois about what is needed to enact
the above resolution on CT Guidelines [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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