- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:53:26 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Attendees:
David Baron
Arron Eicholz
Elika Etemad (co-scribe)
Daniel Glazman (chair)
Peter Linss
Alex Mogilevsky
Saloni Mira Rai
Anne van Kesteren (scribe)
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/11-css-irc
Summary:
RESOLVED: Add note about CSSWG members list being public, submit charter
to W3C management.
RESOLVED: Publish css3-color LC asap after Bert's review; last call period
for six weeks; ask SVG and XSL for comments
RESOLVED: Publish flexbox module as a FPWD
RESOLVED: Peter's draft for disclaimer for IRC logs accepted with
s/working communication/informal working communication/.
See http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/actions/57
RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 8
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-8
RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 6
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-6
RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 24
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-24
RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 39
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-39
RESOLVED: Accept proposed Media Queries changes unless comments sent
by next telecon:
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-mediaqueries/disposition.html
Other notes:
- Discussion of CSS2.1 issues 42, 48, 45, and 35 deferred for now.
Full minutes below.
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008AprJun/0268.html
Daniel: Two new items for agenda
Daniel: David Baron wanted to discuss css3-color
Daniel: Anne wanted to discuss Media Queries
Daniel: Regrets from Bert, Molly, MoZ, Steve.. and that's all
Scribe: Anne
Charter
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DG: Peter e-mailed the last document with integration of comments
DG: need to e-mail it to W3M ASAP
DG: is anything else needed?
EE: I was happy with the charter
AE: No additional issues
EE: given peterl's explanations and assuming Anne is ok with his modules
AvK: ok (through IRC)
Topic: Public list of members
<dbaron> Saying that the member list is public makes sense to me.
DG: Karl Dubost suggested making the member list public
DG: should we make that explicit in the charter?
DG: making things more official
DG: no objections?
[none heard]
DG: PL will you add that to the charter? great
RESOLVED: Add note about public list of members to charter, submit to
w3c management
CSS3 Color
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DB: My understanding with LC is that the chairs ask other WGs who want
to review before LC
DG: we do that every two weeks at the HCG meeting
DG: we have to prepare a list of groups that should review the document
DB: I would suggest just SVG
DG: XSL?
DB: maybe
DG: it's a list of groups we explicitly ask to review the document
EE: SVG and XSL sounds fine
DG: ok
DG: how much time do we give for review?
DG: six weeks because of the holiday season
DG: publication date ASAP
DG: need review of status of this document
AvK: Bert Bos should probably do that
DG: he's back in next week
DB: I'm gonna be on vacation starting the end of next week for a week and a day
EE: I can help out if needed
RESOLVED: publish ASAP after Bert's review; last call period for six weeks;
ask SVG and XSL for comments
Flexbox
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DG: lots of comments, still think it's worth publishing?
DB: pretty much entire thread dominated by another proposal
DB: that doesn't change my mind
DB: maybe a few comments on the spec, but that doesn't change my mind on this
DG: other opinions?
AvK: I think we should do it
AE: I think it's ok
EE: I'm happy to publish
RESOLVED: publish flexbox
Scribe: fantasai
Media Queries
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AvK: The main issue was one David Baron raised in April.
AvK: I discussed with him, and decided to make the edit.
AvK: The issue was error handling for unknown media types
AvK: Originally said UAs should ignore unknown media types
AvK: Now says unknown media types are false
AvK: which is what it was in CR
AvK: It does mean that 3d-glasses is malformed media query and would
be ignored
AvK: because that's not an identifier
AvK: The other change is that the resolution feature was not defined
by the spec
AvK: I added a paragraph saying that resolution is <integer> followed
by <identifier>
<anne> disposition MQ: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-mediaqueries/disposition.html
AvK: Stewart also made some editorial comments
AvK: Here is the disposition of comments
AvK: The orange areas are proposals
AvK: If the WG agrees with those, then we move forward. They are
already edited.
AvK: Red is comments considered out-of-scope for Level 3
Daniel: I propose an action item to everyone to review the disposition
of comments.
Daniel: And if there are no comments sent by next week, then we consider
the changes accepted.
ACTION all: review http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-mediaqueries/disposition.html
Action Items
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<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/actions/overdue
Elika has nothing to report
waiting on Peter to check in changes for selectors move to dev.w3.org
peter says to go ahead
Anne: close ACTION-58
<trackbot> ACTION-58 Add caretRangeFromPoint to CSSOM and prepare for
publication closed
* anne needs to start doing the CSSOM properties stuff soonish :/
Arron: wrote testcase for CSS2.1 issue 6
* fantasai missed Arron's other comments
Alex: i wrote up the proposal for vertical alignment property
ACTION: Alex convert vertical alignment property action item to an issue
<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Convert vertical alignment property action
item to an issue [on Alex Mogilevsky - due 2008-06-18].
Scribe: Anne
EE: for ACTION-22 can you post a link to the testcases?
AE: can do
AE: I'll post them to the mailing list as the link I have doesn't work
IRC Disclaimer
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<plinss_> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/actions/57
PL: I have ACTION-57; I wrote the disclaimer
PL: for the IRC log
<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/actions/57
EE: I would add something that states it's informal or unofficial
<fantasai> I suggest s/working communication/informal working communication/
RESOLVED: Proposed wording accepted with above change.
AvK: Where do we put this?
DG: On the public page for the group
DG: and in the topic
DG: of this channel
DG: we don't want unofficial statements to be taken as official
EE: I can take an action item to put the text on W3C space
EE: and the link from the topic as well
ACTION to Elika put the text from ACTION-57 on w3.org and link to it from
the #css topic
<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Put the text from ACTION-57 on w3.org and
link to it from the #css topic [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-06-18].
CSS 2.1 issues
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Topic: CSS 2.1 issues
<fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008AprJun/0276.html
DG: EE can you guide us through?
EE: I forgot to add CSS2.1 issue 6
<glazou> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-8
EE: Opera didn't agree with the wording initially
AvK: my recollection was that everyone agreed, but Opera wanted to have other wording
EE: CSS 2.1 issue 6 is about margin collapsing, AE and I did testcases
<fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0215.html
RESOLVED: proposal accepted for CSS2.1 issue 8
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-6
EE: I recall that DB agreed (see above e-mail)
EE: DB anything to add?
DB: no
RESOLVED: CSS 2.1 issue 6 resolved as suggested
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-24
DG: the next is CSS 2.1 issue 24 ^^
DG: from my recollection we already used them everywhere
EE: that's what I thought until I read the spec
DB: the prose isn't as generic, but the grammar is
EE: the proposal is to make the prose more generic
DG: no objections at all
the proposal is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0252.html
AE: it's ok
AvK: yes!
DG: great, resolved
RESOLVED: CSS 2.1 issue 24 resolved per proposal
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-39
EE: CSS 2.1 issue 39 is problem with the CSS 2.1 spec; clear in CSS 3
RESOLVED: CSS 2.1 issue 39 resolved per proposal
DG: CSS 2.1 issue 42 is about position:static and clear:none
EE: no opinion
DG: no opinion
DG: IE doesn't match the proposal, IE8 appears to match it
DB: prefer to defer to Matt and Boris on this
DG: this needs more technical discussion
DG: lets move to CSS 2.1 issue 48
DB: prefer to discuss together with (as of now non-existing) 49
EE: lets discuss CSS 2.1 issue 35
EE: should probably discuss with DH
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-45
EE: CSS 2.1 issue 45 has a good proposal ^^
[scribe missed something]
DB: problem with this proposal is that the specified value could be inherit
EE: the proposal gives you a specified value that is not inherit
<fantasai> Current text is
<fantasai> The static position for 'left' is the distance from the left edge
of the containing block to the left margin edge of a hypothetical
box that would have been the first box of the element if its
'position' property had been 'static' and 'float' had been 'none'.
DG: need more review time?
DB: I'm still not following it yet
DB: might want to add a parenthetical to make it more clear
<fantasai> Add something like: (This may require a hypothetical recomputation
of the 'display' property.) ?
DB: not sure I'd put it that way
<dbaron> Something more like: (Note that the rules in section 9.7 mean that
a different specified value of 'position' or 'float' can result in
a different value for 'display', which means this hypothetical
calculation may need to presume a different value for 'display'.)
DG: maybe you can change the issues so that everyone can review it. Probably
not something we can solve here. Is that ok?
EE: yes
EE: for CSS 2.1 issue 46 I'd like to improve the proposal so I rather wait
with that
<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0265.html
ACTION: Daniel to ping Melinda about her CSS 2.1 issue
<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Ping Melinda about her CSS 2.1 issue [on Daniel Glazman - due
2008-06-18].
DG: that was the last item on the agenda and it was about time. Anything else?
DG: ok, thanks you! bye!
Meeting closed.
Received on Monday, 16 June 2008 18:54:06 UTC