- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:18:39 -0400
- To: public-webapi@w3.org
Hi, WebAPI Fans-
The minutes of the DOM3 Events Telcon Agenda, 26 March 2008 can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html
Or as textInput below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Web API WG Teleconference
26 Mar 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/26_Mar_2008
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Doug, Carmelo, aemmons, [Microsoft], smaug, Travis,
+1.408.996.aaaa
Regrets
Chair
Schepers
Scribe
Olli Pettay
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]key event sequence model:
2. [6]Issue/Action review
3. [7]HTML4 vs DOM events
4. [8]Keyflow
5. [9]cmd +/-
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 26 March 2008
Zakim: who is on the phone
<shepazu> Scribe: Olli Pettay
<shepazu> scribeNick: smaug
key event sequence model:
<shepazu>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Key_event_order#Proposed_Ord
er_for_Key-Related_Events
[11]
http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Key_event_order#Proposed_Order_for_Key-Related_Events
<shepazu>
[12]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/d3e-k
eyflow.svg
[12]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/d3e-keyflow.svg
DS: (the diagram does look right on firefox)
... going through the diagram
TL: will look how this work on IE
DS: everybody should look how "their" browser work
... I'm happy modify the diagram some more
... the middle textInput, currently there isn't repeat in DOM. We
should probably add it
... repeat="true" might only happen on character keys
... not sure where IME should go
Issue/Action review
<shepazu> [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/products/2
<shepazu> [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/41
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/41
DS: going through the actions
OP: I don't think I can take actions officially yet
<shepazu> [15]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/37
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/37
DS: TL any progress on that action?
<Travis> I'll try to find my old test and post it.
<shepazu> [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/46
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/46
<shepazu> [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/44
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/users/44
AE: I was going to work on mousewheel event today but got some email
from smaug about that
<shepazu>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0202.h
tml
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0202.html
DS: reviewing the email
... It shouldn't be hard to test if wheelDelta is zero
... the new event wouldn't break existing pages
the previous proposal
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0029.h
tml
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006May/0029.html
from apple
TL:
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0202.h
tml might be the best compromise
... but need to specify the order of the events
[20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0202.html
DS: everybody seem to be ok with the wheel event
... I'll modify the wheel event proposal
CM: it could help SVg
DS: we're getting rid of the mega-multi-mousewheel
HTML4 vs DOM events
TL: what the HTML4 event listener behaviour is vs DOM event
listeners
OP: we should look at HTML5
<ohunt> hihi
<shepazu> heyeh
<ohunt> sprry for being late
<shepazu> very sprry indeed
<ohunt> :p
<shepazu> gonna call in?
[21]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#event3
[21] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#event3
<oliver> victory
<Travis> HTML5 on events:
[22]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#events
[22] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#events
TL: IE keeps separete list for HTML event listeners
"inline handler"
TL: html event listeners fires first
<shepazu> "When scripting is enabled, all event handler attributes
on an element, whether set to null or to a function, must be
registered as event listeners on the element, as if the
addEventListenerNS() method on the Element object's EventTarget
interface had been invoked when the element was created, with the
event type (type argument) equal to the type described for the event
handler attribute in the list above, the namespace (namespaceURI
argument) set to null,
TL: could set listener using html attribute and then remove using
removeEventListener?
DS: SVG has the same issue
... TL, are you willing to change how IE does this?
TL: we have things to do to get normal event to work. but yes, we
could change it
should there be some way to enumerate event listeners
DS: goes to the point that there should be only one list of
listeners
... the only issue is removing the listener
... if parameters are all the same, removing listener could remove
the attribute from DOM?
<scribe> ACTION: Travis Test addEventListener vs onFoo attribute
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-266 - Test addEventListener vs onFoo
attribute [on Travis Leithead - due 2008-04-02].
TL: could propose something for enumerating listeners
DS: don't want to add too many things to DOM 3 Events
<shepazu> ACTION: Travis to make proposal for event iterator
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-267 - Make proposal for event iterator [on
Travis Leithead - due 2008-04-02].
DS: back to the key flow
Keyflow
<shepazu>
[25]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/d3e-k
eyflow.svg
[25]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/d3e-keyflow.svg
OH: not sure you always get a keypress
... because of IME
DS: should be noted in the spec that one should not rely on the
keypress
<oliver> The problem is that the keypress event has a more or lesss
1:1 correspondaence to WM_CHAR
<oliver> which other platforms don't actually have
DS: DOM 3 keyevents would be the model for the web
... I'm looking at the most implementable
OH: someone else to give feedback what webkit does
DS: would be great to get feedback from everyone
... will have some proposal for mobile keys next week
cmd +/-
<shepazu> [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/issues/79
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/issues/79
<shepazu> "Command-= and Command-Shift-= and Command-+ are, or are
not, the same key on my
<shepazu> keyboard, and I don't know how to write content that
handle Command-Minus and
<shepazu> Command-Plus independent of what the layout actually is,
especially given that I
<shepazu> might also want to distinguish Command-= and
Command-Shift-= sometimes."
DS: is this really a serious issue?
... you get events for all the keys
OH: IME may affect to the input?
DS: specifying IME handling should take care of this
... authors should rely on keydown and textinput
<scribe> ACTION: TL to test zoom in/out on keyboard [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Test zoom in/out on keyboard [on
Travis Leithead - due 2008-04-02].
DS: something wrong in my model...
TL: many laptops have customizable keys
should we have more generic input events?
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: TL to test zoom in/out on keyboard [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Travis Test addEventListener vs onFoo attribute
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Travis to make proposal for event iterator [recorded
in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-webapi-minutes.html#action02]
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