ISSUE-78: Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses

urls-terminology

Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses

State:
CLOSED
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Michael[tm] Smith
Opened on:
2009-09-08
Description:
The term URL has a technical meaning that doesn't match the HTML5 spec. Even
though the spec points this out, some find this confusing or objectionable.
Suggestions for alternate terms include "Web Address" or "HREF"
(following IRIbis) or "HURL" (for HTML URL) or anything that doesn't conflict
with IETF specs in this area. Such a change would be cosmetic but it would not
be obviously harmful and would apparently remove objections.

(Note: The description above is a slight rewording of the description that was originally submitted for the bugzilla bug related to this issue - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7392)

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [urls]
Related Actions Items:
No related actions
Related emails:
  1. [Bug 8116] URNs are URIs but not URLs (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2010-05-19)
  2. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-29: Action items, new issues, Task Force reports - minutes of the meeting (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-04-29)
  3. Re: CORRECTION ISSUE-78 (urls-terminology): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-28)
  4. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-29: Action items, new issues, Task Force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-28)
  5. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  6. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  7. [minutes] 20100325 HTML teleconference (from plh@w3.org on 2010-03-30)
  8. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-24)
  9. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-24)
  10. CORRECTION ISSUE-78 (urls-terminology): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-24)
  11. Re: ISSUE-78 (meta-name-registry): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from karl+w3c@la-grange.net on 2010-03-24)
  12. ISSUE-78 (meta-name-registry): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-24)
  13. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-03-18)
  14. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-03-18)
  15. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-03-18)
  16. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-17: various issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-17)
  17. Re: Breakdown of issues (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-12)
  18. Breakdown of issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-12)
  19. Re: Closing issues. Setting and meeting deadlines. (was Re: Issue-9 (video-accessibility): Chairs Solicit Proposals) (from shelleypowers@burningbird.net on 2010-03-04)
  20. Re: Closing issues. Setting and meeting deadlines. (was Re: Issue-9 (video-accessibility): Chairs Solicit Proposals) (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-03-04)
  21. Re: how many URL issues do we need/want? (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-09-11)
  22. Re: how many URL issues doe we need/want? Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-10)
  23. how many URL issues doe we need/want? Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-09-10)
  24. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
  25. FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
  26. [Bug 7392] Please use some term other than 'URL' for Web Addresses (from bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org on 2009-09-08)

Related notes:

this is a dup of ISSUE-56, no?

Dan Connolly, 10 Sep 2009, 15:43:58

[MikeSmith]: during 2009-09-10 telcon we resolved that this issue is not a duplication of issue 56 and so it should be kept open

10 Sep 2009, 16:34:40

One related Bugzilla entry: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8116

Julian Reschke, 8 Dec 2009, 17:05:32

Comments added to Bug 8116 (http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 ) and bug 7392 (http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7392 ) which should also be linked here.

If the "real solution" is to get the entire standards community to adopt the term "URL" as it is used by the HTML5 specifications, there is an opportunity to do so, since most people look to the IETF specifications for definitions of the terminology.



Larry Masinter, 18 Mar 2010, 17:41:14

[plh]: closed without prejudice due to lack of change proposals

29 Apr 2010, 16:12:44

[rubys]: closed without prejudice

29 Apr 2010, 16:12:55

Changelog:

Created issue 'Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses' nickname owned by on product , description '' non-public

8 Sep 2009, 07:35:06

nickname changed to 'urls-terminology'

Michael[tm] Smith, 8 Sep 2009, 07:39:34

Owner changed to 'Michael(tm) Smith'

Michael[tm] Smith, 8 Sep 2009, 07:39:34

Description changed to 'The term URL has a technical meaning that doesn't match the HTML5 spec. Even
though the spec points this out, some find this confusing or objectionable.
Suggestions for alternate terms include "Web Address" or "HREF"
(following IRIbis) or "HURL" (for HTML URL) or anything that doesn't conflict
with IETF specs in this area. Such a change would be cosmetic but it would not
be obviously harmful and would apparently remove objections.

(Note: The description above is a slight rewording of the description that was originally submitted for the bugzilla bug related to this issue - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7392)'

Michael[tm] Smith, 8 Sep 2009, 07:39:34

Product changed to HTML 5 spec

Michael[tm] Smith, 8 Sep 2009, 07:39:34

Description changed to 'The term URL has a technical meaning that doesn't match the HTML5 spec. Even
though the spec points this out, some find this confusing or objectionable.
Suggestions for alternate terms include "Web Address" or "HREF"
(following IRIbis) or "HURL" (for HTML URL) or anything that doesn't conflict
with IETF specs in this area. Such a change would be cosmetic but it would not
be obviously harmful and would apparently remove objections.

(Note: The description above is a slight rewording of the description that was originally submitted for the bugzilla bug related to this issue - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7392)

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [urls]'

Julian Reschke, 16 Feb 2010, 13:28:56

Status changed to 'closed'

29 Apr 2010, 16:11:21


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