ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example

shalott-example

alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example

State:
POSTPONED
Product:
pre-LC1 alt techniques
Raised by:
Ian Hickson
Opened on:
2010-09-15
Description:
The "Lady of Shalott" example in the alt techniques document is disputed. It has been argued that it's improperly labeled, and that the image should be considered purely decorative rather than "enhance[ing] the themes or subject matter of the page content", and that it should be given empty alt text rather than a brief description.

The scope of this issue is the Lady of Shalott example, and in particular, the alt text used in it, the description of this example, and any other closely related matters.

Related bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9077
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9081

Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 / ISSUE-31 Text Alternative Examples
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122

(Raised on behalf of Ian Hickson)
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. Re: FW: Revised Timeline and New Bug Priority Policy (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-28)
  2. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-05-12: Actions, New Issues, Closing Issues, TF reports, Last Call schedule (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-05-11)
  3. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-04-12: Actions, New Issues, Closing Issues, TF reports, Last Call schedule (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-05-11)
  4. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-31: Issues, Publications, Surveys, Decisions, Task Force Reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-03-30)
  5. Working Group Decision on ISSUE-122 shalott-example (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-03-29)
  6. Chairs: Request for consideration (Issue 122) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2011-03-24)
  7. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-24: Issues, surveys, decisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-03-23)
  8. RE: {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-17: Issues, surveys, decisions and task force reports (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2011-03-17)
  9. ISSUE-122: shalott-example - Straw Poll for Objections (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-03-17)
  10. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-17: Issues, surveys, decisions and task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-03-15)
  11. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-02-24)
  12. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-02-23)
  13. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-17: Issues, handling of features, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-02-20)
  14. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-17: Issues, handling of features, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-17)
  15. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-02-15)
  16. RE: {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-03: Issues, survey, A11y TF mini-report, Bug 11984 (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2011-02-10)
  17. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2011-02-10)
  18. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-03: Issues, survey, A11y TF mini-report, Bug 11984 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-02-09)
  19. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2011-02-08)
  20. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  21. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  22. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  23. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  24. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  25. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  26. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  27. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  28. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  29. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  30. Re: ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2011-02-07)
  31. ISSUE-122 shalott-example: Call for revisions (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-02-07)
  32. {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-16: status of actions, calls, new decisions, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-12-16)
  33. {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-09: status of actions, calls, new decisions (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-12-16)
  34. Re: Change Proposal text for HTML WG ISSUE-122 (HTML5 section 4.8.1.1.7) (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-12-08)
  35. Re: Change Proposal text for HTML WG ISSUE-122 (HTML5 section 4.8.1.1.7) (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-12-07)
  36. Re: Making an ISSUE-122 change proposal more explicit (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-12-07)
  37. Making an ISSUE-122 change proposal more explicit (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-12-07)
  38. RE: {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-12-02)
  39. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-12-01)
  40. {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-11-18: status of actions, calls, issues, meeting schedule, timeline to LC status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-11-21)
  41. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-11-18: status of actions, calls, issues, meeting schedule, timeline to LC status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-11-17)
  42. Re: Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-11-09)
  43. Re: Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-11-09)
  44. {minutes} HTML WG F2F minutes, Lyon, France, Nov 4-5 Part 1 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-11-09)
  45. Re: Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie on 2010-11-09)
  46. Re: Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com on 2010-11-08)
  47. Re: Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-11-07)
  48. Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 Text Alternatives (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-11-07)
  49. RE: {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-10-28)
  50. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-10-28)
  51. Re: ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) - Expanded scope and Call for Counter-Proposals (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-10-27)
  52. Re: ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) - Expanded scope and Call for Counter-Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-27)
  53. Re: ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) - Expanded scope and Call for Counter-Proposals (from ian@hixie.ch on 2010-10-27)
  54. ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) - Expanded scope and Call for Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-10-27)
  55. {minutes} } HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-21: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, and TPAC (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-10-21)
  56. Re: Close ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) by Amicable Consensus (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2010-10-20)
  57. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-21: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, and TPAC (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-20)
  58. Close ISSUE-122 (shalott-example) by Amicable Consensus (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-20)
  59. RE: {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-10-14)
  60. null change proposal for ISSUE-122: shalott-example (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2010-10-13)
  61. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-10-13)
  62. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-30 status of calls, issues and bugs, Task Force Reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-09-28)
  63. RE: {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-09-23)
  64. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-09-22)
  65. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-09 status of calls, heartbeat, last call; task force reports; bugzilla notifications, discussion guidelines (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-09-15)
  66. ISSUE-122 (shalott-example): Chairs Solicit Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-09-15)
  67. [Bug 9077] Lady of Shalott example doesn't really 'enhance the themes or subject matter of the page content' (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2010-09-15)
  68. [Bug 9081] Confusing alt text in the fourth The Lady of Shalott example (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2010-09-15)
  69. ISSUE-122 (shalott-example): alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example [alt techniques] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2010-09-15)

Related notes:

'alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example' Null change proposal by Steve Faulkner.
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/thematicimages

Laura Carlson, 17 Oct 2010, 12:10:14

[oedipus]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Nov/0071.html

5 Nov 2010, 08:59:50

[oedipus]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Nov/0072.html

5 Nov 2010, 08:59:57

[oedipus]: this is bound to action-195

5 Nov 2010, 09:01:39

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0691.html
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5992&to=5993

Sam Ruby, 9 May 2011, 09:07:44

POSTPONED: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0486.html

Sam Ruby, 28 Feb 2012, 22:45:58

Changelog:

Created issue 'alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example' nickname shalott-example owned by Ian Hickson on product alt techniques, description 'The "Lady of Shalott" example in the alt techniques document is disputed. It has been argued that it's improperly labeled, and that the image should be considered purely decorative rather than "enhance[ing] the themes or subject matter of the page content", and that it should be given empty alt text rather than a brief description.

The scope of this issue is the Lady of Shalott example, and in particular, the alt text used in it, the description of this example, and any other closely related matters.

Related bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9077
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9081

(Raised on behalf of Ian Hickson)' non-public

Maciej Stachowiak, 15 Sep 2010, 09:46:24

Status changed to 'open'

Sam Ruby, 20 Oct 2010, 13:12:53

Description changed to 'The "Lady of Shalott" example in the alt techniques document is disputed. It has been argued that it's improperly labeled, and that the image should be considered purely decorative rather than "enhance[ing] the themes or subject matter of the page content", and that it should be given empty alt text rather than a brief description.

The scope of this issue is the Lady of Shalott example, and in particular, the alt text used in it, the description of this example, and any other closely related matters.

Related bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9077
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9081

Change Proposal: ISSUE-122 / ISSUE-31 Text Alternative Examples
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/TextAlternativesIssue122

(Raised on behalf of Ian Hickson)'

Laura Carlson, 9 Dec 2010, 20:10:52

Product changed to pre-LC1 alt techniques

Sam Ruby, 29 Jan 2011, 18:25:16

Status changed to 'closed'

Sam Ruby, 9 May 2011, 09:07:44

Status changed to 'postponed'

Sam Ruby, 28 Feb 2012, 22:45:58


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