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13:40:41 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #egov 13:40:41 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-egov-irc 13:40:48 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #egov <Zakim> Guest: Tomasz Janowski <sandro> Guest: Paola (PDM) Di Maio 13:40:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meeting', sandro 13:40:58 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting 13:41:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public 13:41:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV 13:41:03 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:41:04 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference 13:41:04 <trackbot> Date: 21 February 2012 13:41:31 <sandro> zakim, room for 50 for 120 minutes? 13:41:33 <Zakim> ok, sandro; conference Team_(egov)13:41Z scheduled with code 3468 (EGOV) for 120 minutes until 1541Z 13:42:25 <Zakim> Team_(egov)13:41Z has now started 13:42:32 <Zakim> +Sandro 13:44:54 <PhilA2> PhilA2 has joined #egov 13:57:49 <citizencontact> citizencontact has joined #egov 13:57:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 13:58:22 <DeirdreLee> DeirdreLee has joined #egov 13:59:29 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa 14:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.202.684.aabb 14:00:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a] 14:00:48 <citizencontact> zakim, aabb is Daniel Bennett 14:00:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb is Daniel Bennett', citizencontact 14:01:04 <Jeanne> Jeanne has joined #egov 14:01:25 <Zakim> + +1.703.281.aacc 14:02:03 <Brand> Brand has joined #egov 14:02:22 <olyerickson> olyerickson has joined #egov 14:02:27 <tlr> tlr has joined #egov 14:03:37 <annew> annew has joined #egov 14:04:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa] 14:04:17 <olyerickson> I am the IP caller 14:04:33 <olyerickson> Zakim, I am IPcaller.aa. 14:04:33 <Zakim> ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa] 14:04:45 <Zakim> +??P13 14:04:49 <josema> zakim, ??P13 is me 14:04:50 <Zakim> +josema; got it 14:04:51 <Zakim> +??P16 14:05:00 <Jeanne> Jeanne Holm is here 14:05:01 <josema> zakim, mute me 14:05:01 <Zakim> josema should now be muted 14:05:09 <Zakim> + +44.786.783.aadd 14:05:10 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me. 14:05:10 <Zakim> [IPcaller.aa] should now be muted 14:05:12 <Jeanne> Catherine Goodier 14:05:14 <citizencontact> Zakim, I am +1.202.684.aabb 14:05:14 <Zakim> +citizencontact; got it 14:05:24 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the call 14:05:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', olyerickson 14:05:33 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the call? 14:05:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +3539149aaaa, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd 14:05:45 <Nig> Nig has joined #egov 14:05:51 <olyerickson> Zakim, I am IPcaller.aa. 14:05:51 <Zakim> ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa] 14:05:54 <DeirdreLee> Zakim, I am +3539149aaaa 14:05:54 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it 14:06:04 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 14:06:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd 14:06:49 <olyerickson> zakim, I am [IPcaller.aa]. 14:06:49 <Zakim> ok, olyerickson, I now associate you with [IPcaller.aa] 14:07:55 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the call? 14:07:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd 14:08:12 <citizencontact> fyi - interesting radio show http://www.onthemedia.org/2012/jan/27/internet-tool-not-human-right/ 14:08:18 <olyerickson> +1 to hearing 14:08:33 <MacTed> MacTed has joined #egov 14:08:35 <citizencontact> and my response: http://www.mythtakenpolitics.org/2012/01/access-to-the-internet-is-a-human-right.html 14:09:10 <Jeanne> Tomasz Janowski is the professor for eGov Policy at UN University in Macao, China 14:09:25 <Jeanne> He is focused on the idea of policy and electronic government 14:09:31 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG - Details 21 Feb: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Feb/0012.html 14:09:53 <sandro> * SLIDES * http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/slides/2012-02-21.pdf 14:09:56 <josema> Tomasz bio -> http://egov.iist.unu.edu/cegov/PEOPLE/STAFF/Janowski-Tomasz 14:09:59 <olyerickson> +1 to having the slides (thanks) 14:10:21 <kay> kay has joined #egov 14:10:31 <Jeanne> Slide 2: Evolution of public sector information follows 2 decades of innovation and research 14:10:41 <Jeanne> Responding to a variety of goals that have been rapidly evoling 14:10:50 <Jeanne> evolving 14:11:05 <sandro> zakim, who is here? 14:11:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], DeirdreLee, citizencontact, [IPcaller.a], +1.703.281.aacc, [IPcaller.aa] (muted), josema (muted), ??P16, +44.786.783.aadd 14:11:05 <Jeanne> How to deliver electronic services and do it better 14:11:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see kay, MacTed, Nig, annew, tlr, olyerickson, Brand, Jeanne, DeirdreLee, citizencontact, PhilA2, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tomasz, josema, bhyland, trackbot, wnbot, sandro 14:11:11 <edsu> edsu has joined #egov 14:11:22 <Jeanne> The use of IT in how citizens are making decisions and processes 14:11:39 <Jeanne> Using IT to inform health and other public sector issues 14:11:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aaa] 14:11:59 <Jeanne> While we are addressing the issues of internal government services, we have been focused on content and technology 14:12:04 <edsu> zakim, IPcaller.aaa is edsu 14:12:04 <Zakim> +edsu; got it 14:12:16 <Jeanne> Now it is expanding to include government agencies 14:13:01 <josema> yes 14:13:12 <Jeanne> The future impact is uncertain as we have reached an turning point 14:13:14 <Zakim> +bhyland 14:13:47 <josema> I'm reminded of something I mentioned a couple years ago: the future of e-Gov is to remove the "e" from there ;) 14:13:53 <Jeanne> Slide 3 Challenges in connecting citizens, services, and agencies via the internet 14:14:20 <Jeanne> We do need to win public sector support for government IT 14:15:22 <sandro> ( "Orientation on maintenance, not outcomes" That's a nice way to put it. ) 14:15:38 <Jeanne> Slide 4 Organizational transformation or electronic government includes collaboration between agencies, services across agency boundaries. The cultural issues include limitations of organizational resistance, digitial divide, lack of public consultation, and scaling to higher usage. 14:16:03 <bhyland> bhyland has joined #egov 14:17:09 <Jeanne> Slide 5 Social media is being used more to engage citizens in decision making, but the challenges remain for lack of trust in government, digitial divide, and what is the impact on the local environment. You cannot offer generic IT solutions without understanding local policy objectives and what the impact will be locally. 14:17:56 <Zakim> +??P15 14:18:06 <annew> Zakim, ??p15 is me 14:18:06 <Zakim> +annew; got it 14:18:21 <Jeanne> Slide 6 We are at a turning point due to economic pressures and investments and localization issues. ICT should produce public valu. 14:19:54 <Jeanne> Slide 7 Plan to look at evolution, objectives, policy-driven development, how that works with W3C, and conclusions. 14:21:47 <olyerickson> q? 14:22:21 <Jeanne> Slide 8 Electronic government is informing the work of government to citizens and other government through technology. This works through political systems, administrative systems, and civil society. Government includes missions and values, Technology goes from equipment to applications. Interactions includes channels, goals, partnerships, and governance. Customers and society look at the needs, trsut, demography, and globalization. 14:22:44 <gdick> gdick has joined #egov 14:24:59 <Jeanne> Slide 9 The interaction of society, economy, and environment help us to achieve sustainable development. The dimensions are also transitional. 14:25:30 <Jeanne> Slide 10 eGovernment and sustainable development = eGov4SD 14:25:45 <josema> this is certainly an interesting framework but I'll need some more time to digest it 14:26:14 <citizencontact> jose, i will give you 2 mins 14:26:23 <josema> ha, I would need 2hrs 14:26:29 <josema> :P 14:26:40 <citizencontact> ok, you got it 14:30:28 <sandro> slide 16 14:30:39 <sandro> SOCIAL SUSTAINABILITY – EXAMPLE 14:30:42 <sandro> slide 17 14:30:49 <sandro> ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY – MAPPING 14:31:34 <sandro> slide 18 ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY – MEASURES 14:31:41 <sandro> (and back to 17, for another example) 14:32:42 <sandro> slide 18 ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY – STRATEGIES 14:33:03 <sandro> slide 20 ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY – EXAMPLE 14:33:13 <sandro> Crowd-sourcing renewable energy strategy on the Internet, Maldives: 14:33:22 <sandro> slide 21 ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY – MAPPING 14:33:58 <Jeanne> Slide 17-18: How do we map these different areas such as environmental sustainability--see the measures for climate change and how ICT can be used to support this. 14:34:00 <sandro> slide 22 ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY – MEASURES 14:34:07 <Jeanne> (Sandro--I can keep scribing now) 14:34:18 <sandro> (ok) 14:35:00 <Zakim> -josema 14:35:15 <Jeanne> Slide 22 Economic sustainability ICT can be used for energy efficient equipment, reduce transport congestion within cities, and supporting government growth and operation. 14:35:57 <josema> zakim, code? 14:35:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:email@example.com), josema 14:35:59 <Jeanne> Slide 23 Singapore, Korea, Estonia, EU, UN, and Waseda all have specific strategies outlined for future goals and uses of ICT to support eGov. 14:36:21 <Zakim> +??P2 14:36:27 <josema> zakim, ??P2 is me 14:36:27 <Zakim> +josema; got it 14:36:31 <josema> zakim, mute me 14:36:31 <Zakim> josema should now be muted 14:37:13 <Jeanne> Slide 25 How have eGov initiatives addressed these goals? adoption of green accounting, access of underprivileged groups, adoption of environmentally friendly practices, and energy from renewable sources. 14:38:57 <Jeanne> Slide 26 Social, economic, environmental, and transitional indicators let us know if we are implementing to sustainable development. These can be population or life expectanacy, air travel and agricultural density, plant biodiversity and farmland loss, and changes in nutrition and access to poor for public decision-making, respectively 14:39:12 <Zakim> + +1.508.333.aaee 14:39:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aaa] 14:39:41 <Jeanne> Slide 27 Some sustainable strategies include Korea (active response to adverse effects of informatization) and Waseda (disaster management and business continuity). 14:39:42 <PhilA2> zakim, ipCaller is me 14:39:42 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it 14:39:52 <gdick> zakim, aaee is me 14:39:52 <Zakim> +gdick; got it 14:40:03 <Jeanne> Slide 28 Directgov, UK looks across green gov and green IT 14:40:45 <josema> zakim, mute me 14:40:45 <Zakim> josema was already muted, josema 14:40:51 <gdick> zakim, mute me 14:40:51 <Zakim> gdick should now be muted 14:41:45 <Jeanne> Slide 30 Policy-driven eGov development shows that with each cycle we seek to add more value. Any eGov initiative should look to contribute to public value creation through social, economic, environmental, or transitional issues. 14:42:56 <Zakim> - +44.786.783.aadd 14:44:11 <Jeanne> Slide 31 The eGov policy cycle goes through planning, desgin, implementation, and operations and goes across measurement, evaluation, capacity building, and knowledge management. (Many specific services are referenced on the slide.) 14:45:14 <josema> quite a number of things are resonating with the OGD approach at WF :) 14:45:21 <Jeanne> Slide 32 EGOV.* is an EGOV4D Development Framework deployed in a few countries with the UN. Ongoing effort aimed at research and innovation, both human and institutional. 14:45:47 <Jeanne> josema: Yes, this is an exhaustive list and is excellent. 14:46:28 <josema> jeanne: certainly, much more complete than what I usually have in mind but in the same direction 14:47:47 <josema> "Bureaucracy is Pervasive" oh, yes! 14:48:40 <josema> i.e. you need to know how to make friends in the Public Administration and identify the champions 14:48:47 <josema> :) 14:49:07 <Jeanne> Slide 33 Cameroon example looks at how lessons are learned and recognizes the culture. The strategy for eGov informs public service reform and national ICT priority, in turn these inform the growth and employment strategy, which leads to a vision for 2035. The lessons from this study are that lower levels of government are low priority, fragmented stewardships, academia-government collaboration is necessary, and bureaucracy is pervasive. 14:50:23 <bhyland> Slide #35 - Relevant Standards & Groups slide is very helpful, thank you Tomasz 14:50:32 <Jeanne> Slide 34 eGov relevant standards for W3C: LegalXML, StratML, EML, EDXL, SPML, SAML, NIEM, OVAL, GML, HR-XML. 14:50:51 <Jeanne> Are there standards that are missing from this list? 14:52:28 <Jeanne> Slide 36 Some specific topics that have been opened in this work includes policies, government data, open government, accessibility of eGov services, social media, community directory and resources, education and outreach, data licensing, cloud computing, security and privacy, and library of shared eGov artifacts. 14:53:03 <gdick> jeanne ADMS 14:53:20 <Jeanne> gdick: Thanks, good addition. 14:54:22 <Jeanne> Slide 40 Evolution of public sector ICT towards policy-driven eGov. A case for using eGov in sustainable development. The proposed framework that shows what is entailed. 14:54:40 <Jeanne> Tomasz: Can the framework serve as a possible policy-context for eGov at W3C? 14:54:54 <olyerickson> (applause) 14:54:57 <annew> wild applause 14:55:06 <citizencontact> thanks 14:55:17 <PhilA2> q? 14:55:25 <citizencontact> q+ 14:55:45 <sandro> ack citizencontact 14:56:00 <PhilA2> citizencontact: Has this framework been deployed? 14:56:09 <sandro> citizencontact: Has this framework been deployed? by the UN, or any other govt structure? 14:56:14 <sandro> :-) 14:56:30 <bhyland> Thank you Tomasz, that was very comprehensive! 14:56:33 <sandro> PhilA2, want to scribe this time? 14:56:48 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me. 14:56:48 <Zakim> [IPcaller.aa] should no longer be muted 14:56:53 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2 14:56:54 <olyerickson> q+ 14:57:13 <PhilA2> Tomasz: We've used it in Afghanistan, China 14:57:23 <sandro> Tomasz: I mentioned Cameroon, etc This is still in research stage, though. We have put it into action in these countries I mentioned. 14:57:33 <PhilA2> Tomasz: We're using it with UNDECA - 14:57:45 <PhilA2> ... how to measure the contribution of eGov in development 14:57:56 <PhilA2> ... still have a lot to learn though 14:57:58 <sandro> q? 14:58:48 <PhilA2> olyerickson: Thank you, Tomasz. This sort of thing seemns highly structured. Is there a team that runs workshops etc. to teach implementation. Implementation interests me 14:59:03 <josema> +1 to olyerickson 14:59:03 <DeirdreLee> q? 14:59:09 <PhilA2> Tomasz: The basic principle for implementation is, eg. Cameroon, was local ownedership and participation 14:59:09 <DeirdreLee> q+ 14:59:20 <PhilA2> Tomasz: We hesitate to offer prescriptions 14:59:31 <PhilA2> q+ 14:59:33 <josema> q+ to ask about bottom-up and M&E 14:59:41 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a] 14:59:44 <olyerickson> "faciliating a process" => understood 15:00:20 <PhilA2> Tomasz: I agree that it looks organised, maybe too well organised - but it was useful to guide the discussion, to ask the relevant questions to work out the strategy development. 15:00:44 <PhilA2> Tomasz: Implementation has been carried out through broadly identified stakeholders in local and national gov plus academia. 15:00:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 15:00:53 <PhilA2> Tomasz: Two conferences held in Cameroon 15:01:24 <PhilA2> olyerickson: That explains a lot. My follow up. In the cases where it has been implemented - has that been documented as use cases etc.? 15:01:35 <PhilA2> ... so that other countries can learn from your experience 15:01:57 <PhilA2> Tomasz: We have it documented on the project level but we're turning it into public documents to reflect on these experiences 15:02:09 <PhilA2> ... those docs should be available in the next couple of months 15:02:19 <PhilA2> .. the strategy docs are publicly available now 15:02:36 <PhilA2> ... they are in the public domain already, but the experiences are not yet 15:02:47 <sandro> q? 15:02:48 <olyerickson> q? 15:02:54 <olyerickson> ack me 15:03:08 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee: My first eGov call... I work at DERI Galway 15:03:18 <PhilA2> thanks Tomasz for the presentation 15:03:43 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee: On the mapping... could you explain how the mapping is done. How do you decide which eGov dimension maps to what? 15:03:52 <PhilA2> Tomasz: The dimensions follow from the definition 15:04:01 <PhilA2> ... there is no single definition of eGov 15:04:33 <PhilA2> Tomasz: mapping to things like sustainability - done bottom up way. Looking at evidence from around the world 15:04:48 <PhilA2> ... access for all, poverty alleviation etc 15:04:56 <pdm> pdm has joined #egov 15:05:02 <PhilA2> ack DeirdreLee 15:05:38 <Brand> Mapping Global Sustainable Development: http://semanticommunity.info/Sustainable_Society_Foundation_Index_2010 15:06:02 <PhilA2> Tomasz: It's more like a bottom up than a top down design process. There's still a lot ot learn on how these mappings can address local policy objectives 15:06:12 <PhilA2> ack me 15:06:25 <Jeanne> ack PhilA 15:06:49 <Jeanne> PhilA2: What was your biggest surprise--what should we be looking at and what assumptions should we not be making? 15:06:51 <olyerickson> PhilA: biggest surprise in implementing process in e.g. Camaroon? 15:07:19 <PhilA2> Tomasz: If we look at the standard way of International Aid supporting - you get people going in and opening up the tool box of what should be done 15:07:41 <PhilA2> Tomasz: I'd say the local engagement is important 15:07:56 <PhilA2> Tomasz: It is possible to have enough expertise and leadership locally 15:08:34 <PhilA2> Tomasz: The surprise was that this was the correct assumption. We find enough leadership and enthusiasm for meaningful work 15:08:36 <josema> I couldn't agree more 15:08:53 <PhilA2> Tomasz: A pleasant confirmation that capacity building approach is possible to realise 15:09:20 <PhilA2> q? 15:09:23 <PhilA2> ack josema 15:09:24 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to ask about bottom-up and M&E 15:09:36 <PhilA2> josema: Thanks for the presentation 15:09:42 <PhilA2> josema: A lot of info 15:10:03 <PhilA2> josema: A lot of what you present resonates with me. The approach we're using is similar to the one you describe 15:10:16 <PhilA2> ... something we're intending to do is work in Ghana 15:10:31 <PhilA2> ... I couldn't agree more with the way you describe local skill 15:10:50 <PhilA2> josema: The Web Foundation is all about building local capacity 15:11:28 <PhilA2> josema: The UK Gov tried to engage civil society. Here we're going one step forward and engage a secretariat of gov agencies plus civil agencies plus universities and media 15:11:38 <PhilA2> ... the steering committee owns the initiative 15:12:01 <PhilA2> ... have you experience this in previous projects with everyone working in a collaborative way and can you offer guidance 15:12:59 <Jeanne> q? 15:13:32 <PhilA2> josema: I'm sure there will be tension on a steering cttee - that exists where there's just a gov department - but the goals of the different stakeholders are different 15:13:54 <PhilA2> Tomasz: It seems to me that the governance structure of the steering committee is good 15:14:15 <PhilA2> Tomasz: In addition to the governance structure, what worked for us was a cometant project coordination team 15:14:50 <PhilA2> Tomasz: There were 3 or 4 people in Cameroon and Afghanistan we invited people from ministries to Macao to discuss the project 15:15:07 <PhilA2> ... within the committee you have good access to the decision makers 15:15:20 <PhilA2> ... related agencies and ministries to carry out initiatives on open data 15:15:32 <josema> good advice and yes, we have both 15:15:40 <PhilA2> ... these people can become trainers for other stakeholders 15:16:12 <PhilA2> josema: We intend to hold a number of actions along the way for people to meet each other to match up supply and demand side 15:16:21 <Jeanne> q 15:16:36 <PhilA2> Tomasz: Your project team needs tobe representative. That can be hard to achieve 15:16:47 <PhilA2> ... the implementation team need gov and academia 15:16:54 <PhilA2> q? 15:17:00 <citizencontact> general fyi: at XML Prague conference, Jeni Tennison gave a fantastic keynote speech on how XML, HTML, RDF, and JSON can work together. She worked with John Sheridan on the UK Gov legislation site: http://www.xmlprague.cz/2012/files/video-archive-1.html?ps_idc=0&ps_ida=453&ps_idb=2761 15:17:09 <josema> zakim, mute me 15:17:09 <Zakim> josema should now be muted 15:17:25 <PhilA2> Jeanne: When you see the different ways people apprach this. Do they begin by working on getting the process right or engaging with the public first? 15:17:41 <PhilA2> Tomasz: Policy makers are very conscious of how they look when they go ahead with a project 15:17:56 <PhilA2> Tomasz: They want to public to be satisfied with the outcome of course 15:18:15 <PhilA2> ... the environment is what it is - it's hard to change. It;s beyond the control of the project 15:18:19 <josema> fully agree on that having "multistakeholderism" at the SC easier than at the project coordination team, will work on that, too 15:18:36 <PhilA2> ... initiatives of this nature need a local leader who is willing to go all the way to ensure success 15:19:51 <gdick> ref one stop gov http://www.lexml.gov.br/ 15:19:56 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Thanks Tomasz for such an interesting presentation with such a clear challenge to us 15:20:03 <citizencontact> Would nice to have a breakdown of translating the technical aspects of a project to the economic, governance and environmental that would go into the framework that Tomas presented. 15:20:26 <PhilA2> Jeanne: It's not about provision of services to gov but inter agency collaboration, nat and local government to work together 15:20:52 <citizencontact> q+ 15:21:00 <PhilA2> PhilA2: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/ 15:21:04 <bhyland> @citizencontact thanks for XML Prague talk by Jeni. Look fo forward to it. 15:22:30 <PhilA2> Tomasz: Internat conference in Albany, NY, in October. 6th conference in series on... ?? (sorry) 15:22:33 <josema> phila2, you might want to add more people fomr the civil society to the PC 15:22:40 <josema> s/fomr/from 15:22:41 <Brand> 13th SOA for Egov Conference, MITRE McLean, Virginia - see https://register.mitre.org/soa/ for registration opens soon - free 15:22:53 <Jeanne> Save the date for the second International Open Government Data Conference, July 10-12 in Washington DC at the World Bank. Focus on eGovernment, open government, and open data. Josema and I are working on a session that might be able to highlight the work of the eGov IG--let me know if you are interested. 15:23:14 <PhilA2> Jeanne: In July 10 - 12 in DC we have our second Int Gov Data conference 15:23:23 <olyerickson> See http://www.icegov.org/ 15:23:31 <PhilA2> Jeanne: would like to highlight work of this gourp 15:23:35 <olyerickson> "6th International Conference on Theory and Practice of Electronic Governance (ICEGOV2012) will take place in Albany, NY, United States from October 22-25, 2012..." 15:23:45 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Probably have a virtual conference as well 15:23:56 <josema> btw, anybody going to OGP event in Brazil in April? 15:24:05 <josema> I expect to be there 15:24:21 <PhilA2> Daniel: Conference end of the month in DC - Global Centre ICT work with the House 15:24:29 <PhilA2> ... coming in to talk about tech in legislation 15:24:34 <josema> http://www.opengovpartnership.org/OGPMeeting/April2012/Brasilia/Registration 15:25:01 <PhilA2> citizencontact: Excellent speech by JeniT on legislation.gov.uk 15:25:11 <PhilA2> ... new group in OASIS about legal XML 15:25:30 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Details of the event this month? 15:25:34 <PhilA2> citizencontact: I'll send to the list 15:25:54 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Feel free to use the list between meetings. 15:26:22 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Want to make more chance for people to join in, probably switching time zones with 2 meetings per month 15:26:34 <PhilA2> Jeanne: Meet again in a month for now 15:26:57 <olyerickson> Thanks everyone, great meeting 15:27:02 <annew> bye 15:27:02 <Zakim> -josema 15:27:04 <Zakim> -bhyland 15:27:04 <Zakim> -Sandro 15:27:05 <Zakim> -??P16 15:27:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa] 15:27:08 <Zakim> -gdick 15:27:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aaa] 15:27:14 <Zakim> -annew 15:27:14 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee 15:27:16 <Zakim> - +1.703.281.aacc 15:27:21 <Zakim> -PhilA2 15:27:34 <Zakim> -edsu 15:27:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller] 15:27:56 <Tomasz> Tomasz has left #egov 15:28:05 <gdick> gdick has left #egov 15:28:05 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #egov 15:28:48 <pdm> byes # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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